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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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but I have only the illusion of choice, klimmer, if my future is known
if I choose the path of righteousness, it is known,
if I do not, it is known,
I cannot make a choice that is not known, my life is preordained... I don't have free will, there is something that is set that specifies the outcome, that is what it means to know.
I cannot have free will if the outcome is known...
...I'm sure this is a very old discussion
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Crude example of free will so the lay man can "see"
Now who was being arrogant, Werner?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2010 - 12:35am PT
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I cannot have free will if the outcome is known...
...I'm sure this is a very old discussion
Ed,
Yes it sure is.
I think it can be answered though.
I think the answer lies within what happened and what took place between Jesus Christ and Judas Iscariot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_Iscariot
This is very deep stuff. I'm going to contemplate it again.
I'll get back. Very deep stuff indeed.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Don't be in a hurry on our account. Next century will be fine.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Still waiting on your predictions......
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WBraun
climber
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I cannot have free will if the outcome is known...
It's not known to you.
Man you people over think this stuff.
And you try to force the answers to yourselves.
You all unknowingly try to play god.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 31, 2010 - 06:25pm PT
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KLimmer said: Spoiler alert!!!
Bible Code III: Saving the World [Hardcover]
Michael Drosnin (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Bible-Code-III-Saving-World/dp/0615399630/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1290435005&sr=8-1
Bible Code 3 predicts Obama will win the office of Presidency again in 2012.
Sarah Palin will run and lose.
They don't have the other contenders names, but it looks very good for Obama. Sorry, Sarah Palin worshipers. She is good looking, but that is all.
I have a $ 100 burning a hole in my pocket that says Sarah Palin WILL NOT RUN! When I am proven correct, then I want you to disown this false prophet and worship me instead.
That is all
for now
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bestill
Trad climber
s. ca.
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Dec 31, 2010 - 08:46pm PT
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I just saw Elvis and said to myself, so what. Good Day!
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Pate
Trad climber
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Dec 31, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
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bwahahahahahahahahaha!
dirtbag, you're my hero.
Klimmer, take that proselytizing b/s and cram it up Werner's squirrel butt.
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