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Klimmer
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San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2010 - 01:09pm PT
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there is a message for Glenn (klimmer) encoded in the bible...
encoded 115 times... here is the first:
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ENSANDTHEEARTHANDTHEEARTHWASWASTEANDVOIDANDDAR
KNESSWASUPONTHEFACEOFTHEDEEPANDTHESPIRITOFGODM
OVEDUPONTHEFACEOFTHEWATERSANDGODSAIDLETTHEREBE
LIGHTANDTHEREWASLIGHTANDGODSAWTHELIGHTTHATITWA
SGOODANDGODDIVIDEDTHELIGHTFROMTHEDARKNESSANDGO
DCALLEDTHELIGHTDAYANDTHEDARKNESSHECALLEDNIGHTA
NDTHEREWASEVENINGANDTHEREWASMORNINGONEDAYANDGO
DSAIDLETTHEREBEAFIRMAMENTINTHEMIDSTOFTHEWATERS
ANDLETITDIVIDETHEWATERSFROMTHEWATERSANDGODMADE
THEFIRMAMENTANDDIVIDEDTHEWATERSWHICHWEREUNDERT
HEFIRMAMENTFROMTHEWATERSWHICHWEREABOVETHEFIRMA
MENTANDITWASSOANDGODCALLEDTHEFIRMAMENTHEAVENAN
DTHEREWASEVENINGANDTHEREWASMORNINGASECONDDAYAN
DGODSAIDLETTHEWATERSUNDERTHEHEAVENSBEGATHEREDT
OGETHERUNTOONEPLACEANDLETTHEDRYLANDAPPEARANDIT
WASSOANDGODCALLEDTHEDRYLANDEARTHANDTHEGATHERIN
GTOGETHEROFTHEWATERSCALLEDHESEASANDGODSAWTHATI
TWASGOODANDGODSAIDLETTHEEARTHPUTFORTHGRASSHERB
SYIELDINGSEEDANDFRUITTREESBEARINGFRUITAFTERTHE
for your sake and ours, klimmer, please end this sillyness
Are you all STers foaming at the mouth and throwing things at your computer also?
Too funny.
You guys just commit internet forum self-combustion and just publically blow-up.
It's pretty funny to watch.
Ed,
How dishonest. I just checked, and you can't even count ELS. Even a PhD of your stature should be able to figure that out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code
Call it silly all you want, but intelligence services for the US and Israel are paying attention.
This is indeed true.
What do you all have to say about that?
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raymond phule
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Raymond,
Ok. I see you are reading challenged. Maybe reading the book just might be too much for you.
Ok, then how about listening to the interview?
Come on. You can do it. Hit the url up above and have a listen. I even put them in order for you. You can even hit reverse or pause if it gets too much for you and you need to hear a particular part again.
Do you want cheese with the wine you keep crying?
How the hell do they allow you to teach children?
I am not interested in reading the book if someone cant even give a single example of why it is not complete crap.
I am neither going to listen to what seems to be hours long interview (the first video was 15 min long) when no one can't even give a single example of a prediction. You clearly haven't.
So ones again. How the hell are you allow to teach children?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2010 - 01:20pm PT
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Lol.
Read the very first post of this thread.
It is an incredible example of 2 predictions made and told to the Obama team before he even won Iowa.
READ.
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raymond phule
climber
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How dense can a person be?
So Glenn Simpson. I just have to assume that the author managed to make the prediction that Obama would win the election one day before the election. That was really impressive! Who would have been able to make that prediction during that time!
I am of course very impressed that he would predict that he would win Iowa before the election in iowa. That is so much better compared to predictions that happens after the fact. I doubt though that Glenn understands the difference...
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Gene
Social climber
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Klimmer,
Are future events revealed by bible code inevitable? Is bible code infallible?
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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from my point of view, klimmer, i'm not in the least interested in a god who plays tricks like this. if there is a god--and, as i've said, that continues to be an open question for me--it would be a fair-minded, plain dealing, straightforward sort of a divinity. anything less isn't worth the worship.
you dodge around on a slippery slope and don't seem to know who your friends are. i guess you're about to be elevated to the land of the elite and leave the rest of us poor bastards behind. to me, that's your madness, but it's shared by too many others in a whole culture grown up around it.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Call it silly all you want, but intelligence services for the US and Israel are paying attention.
This is indeed true.
What do you all have to say about that?
So effing what! These are also the same people that cooked up all these winners. (Which by the way gives credence to the 9/11 conspiracy. The one about bombing our own cities. They were going to do this so we could invade Cuba.)
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-weirdest-cia-programs.php
One of the most downright creepy government programs and the fodder for countless conspiracy theories, Project MKULTRA was a sweeping and top-secret CIA program started in the early 1950s that included experiments in “chemical interrogation” and mind control. In short, MKULTRA was a plan that sought to use drugs, psychological stress, and bizarre interrogation methods to get information, control behavior, and even alter brain function. To this day, much of the information on the project remains classified, but what we do know is that the program involved the testing and interrogation of private citizens—often without their knowledge or consent—in the service of discovering whether or not certain drugs could be used as truth serums. This included giving subjects large doses of LSD, amphetamine, and mescaline, as well as shock therapy. In one case, subjects were supposedly dosed with acid for 77 days straight in an attempt to test the effects of long-term exposure to the drug. Conspiracy theories abound about the real goals of the project, with some saying it was a program to engineer zombie assassins through mind control and brainwashing. Some information about MKULTRA was finally brought to light in the early seventies, when news reports about CIA abuses of power led to a Congressional commission. The project was subsequently shut down, but many people claim that similar CIA programs still exist to this day.
I have seen Michael Drosnin’s book "The Bible Code".
1) There is indeed serious scientific research being conducted with regard to the Bible Codes.
2) While I did meet and talk to Mr. Drosnin, I did not do joint work with him.
3) I do not support Mr. Drosnin's work on the Codes, nor the conclusions he derives.
4) There is an impression that I was involved in finding the code relating to Prime Minister Rabin's assassination. This is not true.
5) However, I did witness, in 1994, Mr. Drosnin find the tableaux about Prime Minister Rabin, which now appears on the cover of his book.
6) For me, it was a catalyst to ask whether we can, from a scientific point of view, attempt to use the Codes to predict future events. After much thought, my categorical answer is no. All attempts to extract messages from Torah codes, or to make predictions based on them, are futile and are of no value. This is not only my own opinion, but the opinion of every scientist who has been involved in serious Codes research.
7) The only conclusion that can be drawn from the scientific research regarding the Torah codes is that they exist and that they are not a mere coincidence
8) Mr. Drosnin's book fails to point out that the leading figure in Codes research is Doron Witztum. Therefore, I think it is appropriate that Mr. Witztum should make a statement about the research and answer any questions.
Professor of Mathematics Eliyahu Rips
Hebrew University
Jerusalem, Israel
There, I did some reading. Happy now?
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Harold Camping lets out a hearty chuckle when he considers the people who believe the world will end in 2012.
"That date has not one stitch of biblical authority," Camping says from the Oakland office where he runs Family Radio, an evangelical station that reaches listeners around the world. "It's like a fairy tale."
The real date for the end of times, he says, is in 2011.
The Mayans and the recent Hollywood movie "2012" have put the apocalypse in the popular mind this year, but Camping has been at this business for a long time. And while Armageddon is pop science or big-screen entertainment to many, Camping has followers from the Bay Area to China.
Camping, 88, has scrutinized the Bible for almost 70 years and says he has developed a mathematical system to interpret prophecies hidden within the Good Book. One night a few years ago, Camping, a civil engineer by trade, crunched the numbers and was stunned at what he'd found: The world will end May 21, 2011.
This is not the first time Camping has made a bold prediction about Judgment Day.
On Sept. 6, 1994, dozens of Camping's believers gathered inside Alameda's Veterans Memorial Building to await the return of Christ, an event Camping had promised for two years. Followers dressed children in their Sunday best and held Bibles open-faced toward heaven.
But the world did not end. Camping allowed that he may have made a mathematical error. He spent the next decade running new calculations, as well as overseeing a media company that has grown significantly in size and reach.
"We are now translated into 48 languages and have been transmitting into China on an AM station without getting jammed once," Camping said. "How can that happen without God's mercy?"
His office is flanked by satellite dishes in the parking lot that transmit his talk show, "Open Forum." In the Bay Area, he's heard on 610 AM, KEAR. Camping says his company owns about 55 stations in the United States alone, and that his message arrives on every continent.
'I'm looking forward to it'
Employees at the Oakland office run printing presses that publish Camping's pamphlets and books, and some wear T-shirts that read, "May 21, 2011." They're happy to talk about the day they believe their souls will be retrieved by Christ.
"I'm looking forward to it," said Ted Solomon, 60, who started listening to Camping in 1997. He's worked at Family Radio since 2004, making sure international translators properly dictate Camping's sermons.
"This world may have had an attraction to me at one time," Solomon said. "But now it's definitely lost its appeal."
Camping is a frail-looking man, and his voice is low and deep, but it can rise to dramatic peaks with a preacher's flair.
As a young man, he owned an East Bay construction business but longed to work as a servant of God. So he hit the books.
"Because I was an engineer, I was very interested in the numbers," he said. "I'd wonder, 'Why did God put this number in, or that number in?' It was not a question of unbelief, it was a question of, 'There must be a reason for it.' "
Code-breaking phenomenon
Camping is not the only man to see truths in the Bible hidden in the numbers. In the late 1990s, a code-breaking phenomenon took off, led by "The Bible Code," written by former Washington Post journalist Michael Drosnin.
Drosnin developed a technique that revealed prophecies within the Bible's text. A handful of biblical scholars have supported Drosnin's theory, lending it an air of legitimacy, and just as many scholars have decried it as farce.
One of Drosnin's more well-known findings is that a meteor will strike Earth in 2012, the same year some people believe the Mayan calendar marks the end of times, and the same year the "2012" action movie surmised the Earth's crust will destabilize and kill most humans.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
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Ah lunch time . . .
Survival,
There are good people in government who do their jobs with honor (white hats) and there are bad people who work the system, who are corrupt, or perhaps are working in the shadows within legitimate organizations (black hats). Many have talked about a secret CIA within the CIA etc. (ie shadow governments).
Thw following response that you have qouted by Prof. Rips is very, very dated. Decades old. Michael Drosnin and he have been working together for some time now and are very good mutual friends. Prof. Rips doesn't think or feel the following same way anymore. Provide the link. This statement is very dated.
If you listen to the interiew with Michael Drosnin you will know that the statement you have qouted is now pretty much not true anymore.
I have seen Michael Drosnin’s book "The Bible Code".
1) There is indeed serious scientific research being conducted with regard to the Bible Codes. TRUE.
2) While I did meet and talk to Mr. Drosnin, I did not do joint work with him. NOT TRUE. THEY DO WORK TOGETHER MANY TIMES NOW.
3) I do not support Mr. Drosnin's work on the Codes, nor the conclusions he derives. NOT TRUE. HE DOES NOW. IN FACT HE DOES SOME OF THE SEARCHES FOR DROSNIN, AND THEY DISCUSS RESULTS AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THEIR FINDINGS, AND WORK OUT THE PROBABILITIES TOGETHER.
4) There is an impression that I was involved in finding the code relating to Prime Minister Rabin's assassination. This is not true. CORRECT.
5) However, I did witness, in 1994, Mr. Drosnin find the tableaux about Prime Minister Rabin, which now appears on the cover of his book. CORRECT.
6) For me, it was a catalyst to ask whether we can, from a scientific point of view, attempt to use the Codes to predict future events. After much thought, my categorical answer is no. All attempts to extract messages from Torah codes, or to make predictions based on them, are futile and are of no value. This is not only my own opinion, but the opinion of every scientist who has been involved in serious Codes research. NO LONGER TRUE ANYMORE. HE HAS COME TO THINK VERY DIFFERRENTLY ON THIS. HE NOW HAS COME TO BELIEVE IN PREDICTIONS WITH BIBLE CODE THAT HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY STUDIED. THEY ARE NOW FINDING SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THEY KNEW BEFORE.
7) The only conclusion that can be drawn from the scientific research regarding the Torah codes is that they exist and that they are not a mere coincidence. TRUE. BUT PROF. RIPS ALSO IS A MAN OF FAITH, AND HE NOW THINKS IT IS GOD'S DOING AND FOR A PURPOSE. HE HAS SEEN TOO MUCH EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT IT CAN NOT BE MERE CHANCE, BUT INSTEAD DONE BY A DIVINE BEING -- GOD.
8) Mr. Drosnin's book fails to point out that the leading figure in Codes research is Doron Witztum. Therefore, I think it is appropriate that Mr. Witztum should make a statement about the research and answer any questions. I DON'T KNOW THE VALIDITY OF THIS STATEMENT.
Professor of Mathematics Eliyahu Rips
Hebrew University
Jerusalem, Israel
PROVIDE THE ORIGINAL LINK FOR THIS STATEMENT.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Klimmer = Glenn Simpson.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Articles_V/Torah_Extracts.htm
1997 is decades old? Since when? It appears to be only approx 1.3 decades old, but then I'm not good at Bible math.
There, you got your link. Lets see some links of all this work they do together now and how he changed his mind about all that.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2010 - 04:07pm PT
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Survival,
Just as I thought.
You are using a dishonest debunking website.
Even Michael Drosnin mentions this AU website in the Coast to Coast program and calls it out as fruadulent.
Read his book. Listen to Michael Drosnin's interview. They are now very much working together.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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My guess is that it's Mr Drosnin that's the fraud.
Edit: Are you saying that the Professor didn't say that?
Do you believe Drosnin that a meteor will hit Earth in 2012?
If so, who cares who wins the election?
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Klimmer you're such a pussie. POST PREDICTIONS so we can all judge for ourselves. It's that easy. Quit bullshitting and get around to it.
Edit: I guess the truth is that you won't post any concrete predictions because then your precious bible code will be proven a fraud
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dirtbag
climber
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Here's one port.
A year or so ago he predicted the swine flu vaccine was an evil plot by the NWO/Illuminati/Bogeyman to destroy us all. Well if it was such a plot, it didn't work very well.
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Gene
Social climber
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A year or so ago he predicted the swine flu vaccine was an evil plot by the NWO/Illuminati/Bogeyman to destroy us all. Well if it was such a plot, it didn't work very well.
Dirtbag,
Those Moon-ark guys produced chemtrails to deactivated the swine flu vaccine. Don't you read your bible?
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dirtbag
climber
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No, but apparently, neither does the tin foil hat crowd because they are still worked up over chem trails even tho the Bible codes say they are beneficial.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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not dishonest Glenn, though you like to throw that accusation around when someone brings up an argument unsupportive of your stated "truths"
I would call you intellectually dishonest, except I've come to learn there is nothing intellectual about what you post here, it is mostly hearsay from other sites...
didn't check this work, true, but you didn't check your bible decoders either....
here, have at it:
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/glenn-end/1
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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whoa... chris mac has friends in high places!
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