Wolves! deja vu?

We must do everything we can do as a society to protect our precious selfs from each and every threat that the world can produce.

Like, there's none of them going into the Elk refuge in Jackson this year? Give me a break.

Which leads to the suggestion that "they" no longer see us as alpha. Do these hunters sense a developing societal shift amongst the human herd that suggests a lessening of threat, a vulnerability in spirit, an opportunity to feed?

I wonder if there is some slow simmering animal plot developing against us humans.

Wolf numbers, sheep numbers, lion numbers, grizzly numbers, even trout numbers... the point is that these things are now our choice.

For better or worse, we control these numbers.

The question is what do we want?

Forget wolves and cougars. It's the ants and termites that you should be having nightmares about.

The one thing that unites all the various interests in the mountain states however, as far as I can tell, is their contempt for the way the wolves were imposed on them by the federal government and sentimental folks who live in urban areas who probably can't tell a cow from an elk. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if some livestock owners negotiated to give up their grazing rights on public land in return for getting rid of the wolves again just so they and their domestic animals could live on their own private land again without being harassed.

For a long time wildlife experts outside the Montana Dept. of Fish, Wildlife, and Parks have been pointing out the effects of uncontrolled wolf predation on Northern Rocky Mountain elk herds.

This week the MFWP reached the same conclusion. Department biologists tracking elk numbers have noticed an alarming decline in the cow-calf ratio, a sign of imminent population crash.

As a result, the MFWP is reducing hunting permits, although over-hunting by humans is not the problem. The exploding wolf population is — wolves have been mass slaughtering elk at an unsustainable rate.

I have no problem with the people paying ranchers fair market value for their livestock losses.

A drop in the bucket compared to what we pay to subsidize the beef industry...
and then there's the medical expenses on the taxpayer's tab for people who eat beef...

AND how do you know more than any of us ('cept for telling us you do) ?"

could someone tell me why the cali's honor the bear that they made extinct in their state? then to have you guys pretend to tell the other states how to manage their wildlife? freakin hilarious.

Two-Thirds of Idaho Wolf Carcasses Examined
Have Thousands of Hydatid Disease Tapeworms

Roundworms (Toxascaris sp.) were the most common endoparasite in New York, occurring in 31% of bears sampled. In the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, 90% of bears were infected with the larval form of Dirofilaria ursi, a roundworm related to the dog heartworm. In New York, 46% of bears harbored this parasite.

i guarantee you that i camp out in a hell of a lot more off the beaten path areas than you do,

look...

Y'all are going to have to learn to live with these animals.

Wolves have never been a part of California's ecosystem actually; except for the desert portions and some of the East side.

The success of the recovery program has exceeded FWS expectations and has prompted Secretary Babbitt to announce that further reintroductions will not be necessary in the northern Rocky Mountain area. While some losses of wolves have occurred, the rate of mortality in the wolf populations has been far lower than anticipated. Several wolves have been killed illegally, with others dying from natural causes or accidents, or being destroyed by FWS and ADC for repeated attacks on livestock. In addition, wolf packs in both Yellowstone and Idaho have produced several successful litters in the breeding seasons since their release. The Yellowstone population now approaches 100 wolves and the central Idaho population has grown to approximately 70 wolves. In northwestern Montana, where populations have naturally immigrated from Canada, FWS estimates there to be 100 - 120 wolves. Thus, recovery goals may be met ahead of schedule and at lower cost.

Hey. I am sad that it came to this, but humans are going to keep on screwing and eating and nothing is going to stop it until the temps rise or we simply devour all of our natural resources. Some species adapt very well to our presence and prosper. Others we try to keep from going extinct like life support.

Then we may all go back to living in teepees in the U.S. like the natives did. Hell, we might even be happier that way. I would rather be out in a teepee right now instead of typing in here while surrounded by a bunch of humming computers.

But altruism is not a trait of the human race.

Too bad pate was allowed to return. I think had I been able to stay in the discourse, I could have shown good loigical reason why he should have been at least forced to return as another persona. His existing one is so flawed...





So what is it now, is he doing posts as Pa'te or something, or he just been given a pass to resume hateful battles and attempt to intimidate and ridicule posters into the unknown future?

Looks like he had a two week "time-out".

We're not so damned whiney as those great westerns in Montana and Idaho who mostly live on Federal handouts anyway - water, power and range land, all provided for the Rugged Individualists (LOL!!!1111) by the rest of America.

If you all don't like it up there, feel free to desist from the teat. Take no more, then you will know what its like to live free like we do in CA.

We're paying for your dole, so you will damn well do as we say.