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elcap-pics
Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
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Aug 27, 2010 - 11:57am PT
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you pay your money ..... you take your chances..... My good friend Ammon is no fool, although sometimes he can act like it, as we all can. He knows from the experience of many of our base jumping friends that the best thing to do is just cooperate and say nothing without the advice of a lawyer and let the legal system take its course. He obviously didn't do that .... life goes on... it could have been a lot worse.
Legalizing base jumping in yosemite is a very bad idea. It sounds nice but imagine 200 people jumping off the Captain every weekend. There would be people landing in trees, the river, on the road... the mess would be endless. Who is going to fetch these people up? Who is going to pay the bills? People would come from all over the world to do the Cap and the impact on the top would be bad, hell it is already bad from us climbers! It is like jumping off buildings in a city... not a good thing. I have seen some "expert" jumpers land in the river in front of the bridge and they supposedly knew what they were doing ... also a certain hero of mine, almost ate it off the cap and just opened in time to hit the base and break an ankle... and these guys are "experts". Imagine the carnage if just ANYONE could do it.
Sorry but IMHO, Yosemite is not the place for legalizing it. It is just the old cat and mouse game in a different format. Some times you eat, sometimes you get eaten.
I await the flack!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 27, 2010 - 12:36pm PT
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It has been more than a week hasn't it?
What is the 411?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 27, 2010 - 01:24pm PT
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Ammon Bro, hope this thing slides through easy for ya. A sad day fo sure, but I support ya ...Better days ahead.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Aug 27, 2010 - 01:27pm PT
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It's real hard for me to believe that Ammon didn't do something to warrant get tazed.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Aug 27, 2010 - 01:41pm PT
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It is hypocritical to let us climb all over the walls and enjoy our sport of climbing and then discriminate against another group that wants to use the resources as well.
Cool, do you think they will use California's hunting regulations or some Federal regs?
I am also trying to decide which trail I will do my first Yosemite mountain bike ride on. I bet Yosemite Falls trail is one fun downhill.
Do you think they will mind if I leave my dirt bike hauler in the Curry parking lot while I do a bit of dirt biking there? My buddy is going to bring his ATV as well.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 27, 2010 - 01:47pm PT
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Man, sucks for Ammon. I hope he isnt banned from the parks and doesnt get sent to the clink, I think thats the biggest thign we should be worrying about. A little tasering? Ammon would probably get tasered on a dare, so I dont worry too much about him there ;D
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doc bs
Social climber
Northwest
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Aug 27, 2010 - 02:01pm PT
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I agree that the violent scenery the valley climbers (and tourists) could be exposed to is daunting. Like free soloing, I believe this sort of activity is better done in private.
"Legalizing base jumping in yosemite is a very bad idea. It sounds nice but imagine 200 people jumping off the Captain every weekend. There would be people landing in trees, the river, on the road... the mess would be endless. Who is going to fetch these people up? Who is going to pay the bills? People would come from all over the world to do the Cap and the impact on the top would be bad, hell it is already bad from us climbers! It is like jumping off buildings in a city... not a good thing. "
YET, I am so sad Ammon got tased. I am happy his landing was safe so he can surprise us again with his antics.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK LITTLE MONKEY!!!
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Aug 27, 2010 - 02:15pm PT
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Mark Hudon said
"It's real hard for me to believe that Ammon didn't do something to warrant get tazed."
That's a bunch of bullsh#t. Everybody knows the rangers have a hard-on for basejumpers.
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Les
Trad climber
Bahston
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Aug 27, 2010 - 02:29pm PT
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man, I gotta say, some folks around here give WAY too much credit to cops' ability to restrain themselves by speculating that Ammon HAD to have done SOMETHING to get tased. There's plenty of good cops out there, but there's a good deal of bad ones, too, or at least some who are prone to overreact. Probably best to wait until some semblance of the truth (an investigation, court hearing, etc.) comes out before jumping to unfounded conclusions.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 27, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
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I doubt it was Lobo since Ammon was not likely in a wheelchair.
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FrankZappa
Trad climber
80' from the Hankster
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Aug 27, 2010 - 02:40pm PT
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Let's face it, although Ammon is harmless and a good dude, he did do something illegal, and we all know the Tool will jump at the chance to Taze someone. Hang in the ditch long enough and you're gonna get tooled.
Sorry that happened to you bro!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 27, 2010 - 02:43pm PT
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Hope he is feeling better. Getting tazed is no fun.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 27, 2010 - 03:26pm PT
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lame.
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wallguy
Big Wall climber
Utah
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Aug 27, 2010 - 03:58pm PT
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I got tasered at a blood for blood concert a while back, that s*%t was no joke. The f*%king cops had to get pretty damb close for it to work. My guess is that Ammon is getting a little slow in his old age. The El Cap Pirate got to feel the lightning, its a rush. Good luck in court old man! ha ha
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Aug 27, 2010 - 04:31pm PT
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This is shocking.
Nothing short of stunning.
Curt
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Aug 27, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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I used to work for the father of Taser International CEO and the current legal council for TASR. Apparently, all employees had to be 'tazed'. Maybe Ammon can work for TASR now?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 27, 2010 - 05:26pm PT
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There is such a profound cultural, social and political gulf between the US and Scandinavia that it's hard to know where to begin. Enough to say that the police in the US assume that those they are apprehending have guns, until they know otherwise. The police in Scandinavia, except perhaps in isolated situations, would likely be surprised if someone they arrested had or tried to use a gun.
There is a schizophrenic balance in the US between freedom and authoritarianism.
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Ezra
Social climber
WA, NC, Idaho Falls
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Aug 27, 2010 - 05:49pm PT
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This is just sad! I doubt Ammon was posing a threat to the safety of the officer, I just doubt it.
Anders,You are incredibly perceptive, and I agree with you assessment once again!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 27, 2010 - 05:52pm PT
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If you want to read about, and view, some horrific police misbehaviour, including gross misuse of tasers, the Robert Dziekanski incident at Vancouver airport in October 2007 is a graphic example - from Canada. One of several incidents over the last decade involving the RCMP, misuse of force, and cover-ups.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Aug 27, 2010 - 06:00pm PT
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be nice to the evil one. he's going to "fix" the williamson rock closure.
fixing 101--first thing you learn in cop school.
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