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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:16am PT
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Where's the video? There has to be video. You can't poop nowadays without it being on video.
While Ammon may not be a dick, he may have been acting like one.
I am not siding with the LEOs (who I have many gripes about) but everyone is attacking them based on a short paragraph on a facebook page.
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franky
Trad climber
Ford Pickup Truck, North America
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:48am PT
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unless he physically attacked the ranger, then he didn't deserve to get tased.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:57am PT
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Franky - that's kind of my point. We don't know. There isn't even a description of the event on the facebook page.
Maybe he landed, sat down in the grass and waited for the LEOs. When they got there they cut loose on him.
Maybe they tried to talk to him and he started swinging in an adrenaline infused rage.
Maybe a little of both.
We just don't know.
BTW if you google this subject the first thing that shows up is this thread. The ad on the left side of the google page is for a place that sells tasers.
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Les
Trad climber
Bahston
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Aug 27, 2010 - 09:04am PT
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Aug 27, 2010 - 09:21am PT
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I agree here with DMT!
We're living in "Alice in Wonderland" times now.
Quote, Queen of Hearts: "Let the punishment fit the crime, OFF WITH THEIR HEAD!"
I really don't approve of Tazering AT ALL! Taze someone with a pacemaker or bad heart is killing them, and use of lethal force. Just MHO.
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Gilwad
climber
Frozen In Somewhere
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Aug 27, 2010 - 09:30am PT
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Matt-- Frank Gambalie died in the Merced river. He was trying to get away from the NPS after a jump. Only hung out with him a little but it was fun, his death really bothered me.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:05am PT
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I just can't get past the fact that tazing just seems like really excessive force in relation to the crime. As for the politics of whether BASE should be allowed in the first place... I'll leave that argument alone.
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Scared Silly
Trad climber
UT
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:13am PT
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This incident did not make the NPS Morning Report for the week
http://www.nps.gov/applications/morningreport/index.cfm
However, I did see that some illegals were busted for growing pot in the Park.
My speculative guess is that Ammon was fleeing the scene and was tasered. If so, then the question will become excessive force. Further, the accident with Frank Gambalie dying in the Merced whilst fleeing will be one of the first points brought up of why Ammon was tasered - for his own safety as they did not want a repeat accident. So they brought him down.
BTW It is my understanding that almost all permanent NPS Rangers eventually go through the LEO academy at some point.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:21am PT
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Yes they do. It's called FLETC (Fed. Law Enforcement Training Center). They also have to do Field Training at another park afterwards.
I am really interested to hear the details of why it was necessary to tase him. If he resisted arrest by means of fleeing the scene, tasing was way out of line. If he did indeed physically resist, well, all bets of are off.
By the way, does anybody here have any info on what the NPS policy is regarding the use of non lethal weapons?
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Derek
climber
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:50am PT
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This is shocking.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:59am PT
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If you're a BASE jumper you're a dead man walking anyway, why worry about a little Tasing?
Especially when you know what you're doing is illegal. When you contemplate breaking a law, don't you have to consider the consequences of dealing with The Man?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 27, 2010 - 11:04am PT
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And I was "over-reacting" when I complained about these clowns running around with semi auto assault weapons pointed into traffic, all to respond to the giant emergency of an empty SUV sitting in a pullout.
At what point does it become completely transparent that these cowboys are WAAAYYY out of control?
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Aug 27, 2010 - 11:24am PT
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Which cowboys?
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franky
Trad climber
Ford Pickup Truck, North America
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Aug 27, 2010 - 11:33am PT
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hey, someone lend me a BASE rig and teach me to jump so I can jump in protest. :)
not for selfish reasons, just to support Ammon.
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Zander
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Aug 27, 2010 - 11:44am PT
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I don't know about this incident and I don't know Ammon but if I was a friend of his I wouldn't be mouthing off about law enforcement on the internet until after he works out the best deal he can.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Aug 27, 2010 - 11:46am PT
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I am glad Ammon is safe, although in a bit of trouble. Tasing seems a bit much, I would agree.
I don't understand this level of violence when all you are risking is your own life. It completely lacks proper reasoning.
AFS
I have been arrested for climbing a tree, they cited "Reckless Endangerment".
Reckless endangerment is a crime consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. The accused person isn't required to intend the resulting or potential harm, but must have acted in a way that showed a disregard for the foreseeable consequences of the actions
They said it wasn't about me potentially hurting myself, but I might land on someone if I fell. I imagine the officers could use similar reasoning in Ammon's case.
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franky
Trad climber
Ford Pickup Truck, North America
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Aug 27, 2010 - 11:47am PT
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haha, that is awesome. arrested for climbing a tree because your flailing body might flatten someone. I want a ticket like that on my record just so i can explain it to people.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Aug 27, 2010 - 11:48am PT
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We're living in "Alice in Wonderland" times now.
"Sentence first, Verdict Aaaftah!!"
100 base jumpers leaping off El Cap in protest, flying banners, "DON'T TAZE ME BRO!!"
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jstan
climber
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Aug 27, 2010 - 11:52am PT
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"The Wolf
Trad climber
Friend of Dope
Aug 27, 2010 - 08:24am PT
I was privileged this week to announce that Ammon has become and Ambassador for our small company. He is a man of courage, spirit, and integrity. We are shocked and saddened that Ammon had to endure this experience resulting from activities that people in our "community" admire. We stand behind Ammon regardless of the outcome and look forward to a long relationship with this remarkable athlete.
Jeff Vargen
Dope Miller Equipment"
Dear Jeff:
Would I be incorrect were I to guess that your company deals in base jumping equipment?
We have had other incidents in which climbers have had difficulties with public land managers due to their efforts to advance their personal financial interests. It would be good for us to know whether this is yet another such incident.
If you do not mind, please do not include me as a member of your "community."
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