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kevin Fosburg

Sport climber
park city,ut
Nov 8, 2005 - 07:44pm PT
This thread has reminded me of a backburner project over there, The Yucky Way of Knowledge. Gotta get on it.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 8, 2005 - 08:39pm PT
Please understand that Mondays are usually bad days because it is an "all meeting day" at work (if I were failing to split atoms it would be preferable to management tasks) but also it is usually the day after coming back from the Valley.

But not to let Lois off the hook, and it is important that Werner wasn't annoyed... climbing culture is a part of this site, and hijacking the thread "Separate Reality" would be forgivable in another context, but in the climbing culture context Gripper was actually asking a very specific question: "where the hell is the climb?"; NOT let's discuss the Hopi way of enlightenment, an interesting topic in and of its own right... and maybe even preferable to the nuts-and-bolts of how to locate a climb... but perhaps I was just frustrated by the chaff-to-wheat ratio in some of the threads.

So sorry... far be it from me to dicate who should post and who shouldn't... but to some extent, the context of the forum should be respected.
Mei

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 8, 2005 - 08:58pm PT
Post Valley Depression.

In Lois' words, we all have them :-)

(I'm guilty of hijacking the thread too. Sorry.)
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 8, 2005 - 09:08pm PT
WBraun

climber
Nov 8, 2005 - 09:11pm PT
Why would someone belay under the roof? The belay is on the ledge. To make it easier?

This photo I don't understand .....
Jaybro

Social climber
The West
Nov 8, 2005 - 09:18pm PT
'cause it looked good on the T-shirt?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 8, 2005 - 09:33pm PT
"Why would someone belay under the roof?"

'Cause that's the way they did it in the Yosemite Climber photo?

Pretty silly, gotta admit.
Jaybro

Social climber
The West
Nov 8, 2005 - 10:26pm PT
Jerry, didn't wear a helmet.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 8, 2005 - 11:10pm PT
Werner: "Even though each LSD trip ended in depression..."

Must have been a bad batch or a different personal neurochemistry as I've never had that experience...
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 9, 2005 - 12:28am PT
LEB - let me first say that I do not read all of the posts in SuperTopo, especially those involving Juan/Jeff/Batten/Rockstar/etc/etc... just not enough time. I don't often read all of your posts. I don't assume that people read all of mine. However, I have tried to keep my posts focused on climbing, though the evolution thread got me going, and I can always be lured into discussing issues in science.

My frustration was that to a climber the thread topic is relatively obvious, especially the climbers looking at this site. I recognized immediately that you thought the thread was about something else, and something that people find interesting, people posting on this thread find interesting. Whether or not you feel that you "fit in here" is really up to you, as far as I can see, you are welcome to stay and post. You've been treated pretty kindly, all in all, for this crew. I think it is your own choice.

"Separate Reality" is a difficult climb, a test piece to some. And while other climbs that exist now are harder, it stands as a test to climbers. The story of how it was climbed reveals a lot about climbing and climbers, and about particular climbers and their vision. It is something that I think you missed when there was a discussion about what climbers get out of climbing, something that I believe is a unique and very different experience than hiking, though that has it's moments too.

As Werner said, every climb has a secret to unlock, its not just a physical secret, but that is a part of it, mostly it is a mental secret, how do you get your body to make a sequence of moves in a situation most people would consider dangerous as well as physically challenging. No matter what the difficulty, every climb presents that sort of a problem to every climber... some of the secrets are easy to unlock, others take a long time. In the article "Lucille" Jaybro described a 10 year project on a very difficult climb, 10 years to "unlock the secrets". Every climber faces their limit, and must come to grips with it and recognize it. "Try? There is no try. There is only do or not do"
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 9, 2005 - 01:08am PT
LEB - and so you get an idea of why this climb was named.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 11, 2005 - 01:50am PT
scavenging off the web

Walt Heenan, posted on rockclimbing.com


Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 11, 2005 - 01:57am PT
Photo by Michael Renner on the Sportgraphix.net site, but I don't know who the climber is...

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 11, 2005 - 02:06am PT



Heinz Zak solos
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 11, 2005 - 02:09am PT


Frank Gassmann, go to the http://www.zbs-ilmenau.de/~frank/henkelreisser/kletterbilder/bilder_yosemite.html site he has more...
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 11, 2005 - 02:12am PT


The Ray Jardine cover of Mountain 56 which fired our imaginations (on right) and Wolfgang Gullich, the first solo (?) which blew our minds.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 11, 2005 - 02:21am PT


Some dude Gene, picture off the www.monsteroffwidth.com site... an interesting annotated table of my favorite climbing (offwidth) exists there for those exhibiting similar mental instablilities.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 11, 2005 - 07:56am PT
Ed - Very nice, post deleted and we'll stick to physical realities I guess...
KarlP

Social climber
Queensland, NorCal, Iceland
Nov 11, 2005 - 08:36am PT
Who's the soloist with the bandana?

I'm neither old enough nor hard enough to recognise people as easily as some...
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Nov 11, 2005 - 10:04am PT
Karl, I believe the guy soloing is Heinz Zak,
Eine Bayern Kletternmeister. He was the 2nd guy to solo it.

The first was another Ubermensch from the Fatherland who is no longer with us, R.I.P.

bergheil
Pat
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