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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 10, 2010 - 02:57pm PT
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Calm down weschrist, I'm not against dogs being at a crag, I just have an issue with irresponsible owners. I would never call authorities as you seem to imply. By the way, it's okay to think that dogs are just (as in barely) okay.
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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May 10, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
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F*#k you Donini!
just kidding.
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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May 10, 2010 - 03:48pm PT
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Nah, I'm not saying there isn't something bad about a terrified puppy, but I wasn't there like you were, so I'm not commenting on the situation at hand, other than to say that one must find a balance between coddling a dog and over-exposing a dog/puppy to something perceived as stressful.
Certainly, there are better ways to train/introduce a puppy to being a crag-dog.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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May 10, 2010 - 04:07pm PT
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Wes, your dog looks like a furry version of mine.
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2010 - 04:13pm PT
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Cute dogs. I'd be willing to bet most of them have very considerate owners.
How come nobody ever posts pictures of the dogs (due to their inconsiderate owners, obviously) who create negative impacts on other users, or who are placed in frightening or potentially harmful positions?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 10, 2010 - 04:33pm PT
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apogee:
How come nobody ever posts pictures of the dogs (due to their inconsiderate owners, obviously) who create negative impacts on other users, or who are placed in frightening or potentially harmful positions?
That certainly could be done. Like we post pics of bad anchors, and such.
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I'm hurtin . . .
Ice climber
midwest
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May 10, 2010 - 05:29pm PT
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Leave yer dogs at home!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 10, 2010 - 05:31pm PT
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Kevin forgot to include harassing wildlife in his list. Bearing in mind that from the perspective of the wildlife, and of wildlife managers, the simple presence of the dog may amount to harassment. Scent, noise, etc. Let alone dogs running off leash, chasing and even killing critters.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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May 10, 2010 - 05:36pm PT
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Should be shot and deep fried.
Just kidding that only happens in Arizona if you don't have your papers...
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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May 10, 2010 - 05:51pm PT
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To many people I'm thought of as a dog 'hater'. Couldn't be further from the truth. However, bringing dogs to the crag just isn't a good idea. You can't manage a belay and a dog at the same time. I've been belaying for a long time and consider myself to be pretty good at it, but not with poochie in the equasion. So please all dog owners out there, leave 'em at the house and have a better day climbing.
(shocking myself with PC-ness)
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pedge
Trad climber
SW
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May 10, 2010 - 06:08pm PT
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You no dogs at the crags hardliners should get over it, because we are going to keep bringing them and enjoying having them out there People who don’t know how to train a dog to be calm and friendly or who choose a dog that has been bred to behave otherwise shouldn’t bring their dogs out anymore than they should bring their loud, obnoxious and aggressive friends or selves. As to freaking out because you can’t leave your pack open on the ground or your sandwich unattended like in the gym or your opened water bottle where it can be knocked over…. You put food on the ground and even my very mellow and gentle dog might assume its for him, because that’s the way I usually feed him. The only time I have ever seen problems with dogs at crags are with those dogs that people keep on leashes because they never took the time to train them to be able conduct themselves well off the leash. I guess I think that a person’s dog reflects who they are in the same way a kid might, and that we should each be concerned that we take the time to teach them what they need to know to be able to be given their freedom. I don’t like constantly barking dogs at all, and I have never had one, but even worse than that are owners who are constantly screaming at their dogs.
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2010 - 06:21pm PT
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"...stop the hate, dog haters."
Funny, most of the people who aren't keen on dogs at the crags seem to be dog owners themselves. Dog hater? Hardly.
Most of the pro-dogs-at-the-crags people seem to be basically saying 'get over it, I'm gonna do whatever I want'. It's a familiar position in climbing.
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atchafalaya
climber
Babylon
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May 10, 2010 - 06:33pm PT
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I have no problem with dogs running wild and barking, but all you people at the crags and boulders really suck. Sacklickers...
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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May 10, 2010 - 06:53pm PT
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Most of the pro-dogs-at-the-crags people seem to be basically saying 'get over it, I'm gonna do whatever I want'. It's a familiar position in climbing.
NO, most say well behaved dogs with their owners present are cool. Unattended or problem dogs should not be there.
If someone has a problem with with a well behaved dog with the owner present, then yeah, get over it.
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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May 10, 2010 - 07:30pm PT
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I'm going to start posting pictures of PUPPIES and you're all going to have to get over it.
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hossjulia
Social climber
Eastside
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May 10, 2010 - 07:35pm PT
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Pretty good rule of thumb, if your dog can't do an extended down stay off leash, they need more training, or they probably ought to not be at the crags.
I get leashes off my dogs as quickly as possible, and won't own a breed/type that is not reliable off leash.
Backcountry skiing, they go naked, just in case they run into a branch on the way down. I teach them to stay behind me, no matter what, skiing or hiking.
Skiing downhill can get hairy, Max and I zagged into each other on a run, I saw it coming, had no time to correct, so I tackled him. Better than running over his legs with my skis. Funnier than sh#t. He yelped but then thought I was playing. Good times. He also learned to stay WELL back.
He got hot easy and would often try to hug the base of crags for shade. I would move him, he'd creep back. So one day a party above yells "Rope!", drops the cord and it lands on Max. He gets up and moves, looking up with a "gee why'd you do that" look. Next time at the crags, he's out of the way anyway, but when someone yelled rope, he got up and moved furthur out, looking up. Mt partner and I had a good laugh over that.
First time I took him climbing, when he noticed the people on the walls, he woofed a few times and growled low. He was under 2.
He watched my friend go up with great interest, and a little alarm.
When I got off the ground, he tried to jump up and grab my foot, so I told him "Off, Max, down." He did what I said and layed down, then started barking at me! My partner was giggling and petting him, sushing him.
I had to come down and reassure him, then I put him in a firm down stay.
He was fine ever after. Oh he had to learn a few more things, like the rope incedent above, but he was young.
I had to work pretty hard to get him not to just step all over stuff on the ground, but he got it. He learned what "No Dust!" meant and to not trundle rocks.
Well trained dogs enjoy more freedom than those that are not, it is worth it to take the time to adjust them to our society. They are much happier when they know what is expected of them, and your actions are consistant.
That 7 month old pup at Taquitz was probably ruined in myriad ways by that experience. Can you say destructive seperation anxiety?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 10, 2010 - 08:04pm PT
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What about sheep and chicken at the crags....i saw chicken climbing once....rj
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altelis
Mountain climber
DC
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May 10, 2010 - 08:38pm PT
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Sheep DOGS at the crag you say?
I spent the long hours training her so I could have the privilege of bringing her places with me.
I was in Pawtuckaway bouldering once and this dog starts sniffing around. Somebody comments that "oh that's so-and-so's dog. he steals lunches. har har har". fvck that. i love my dog, but she behaves. no questions asked. when she even thinks about disobeying you give her a glance and she sulks. them herding dogs do love to please. but you bring your dog to the crag and laugh about how he steals peoples lunches, don't expect civility in my response. ho ho no.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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May 10, 2010 - 08:52pm PT
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I haven't read the entire thread yet, but I've got to stand up for my older dog.
He's been climbing and backpacking with me since he was a year or two of age.
When I'm climbing in remote areas, he hikes in with me, then waits until I return.
For the first pitch, he whines, wanting me to come back.
After that, he takes a nap.
When I'm rapping down, he whines, waiting for me to return.
I don't tie him up, he doesn't wander, and is a welcome friend when I get back to terra firma.
It's all in the training, and knowing where you can bring them and where you can't.
There are no absolutes when it comes to dogs, or anything in life for that matter.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 10, 2010 - 09:03pm PT
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There are no absolutes when it comes to dogs, or anything in life for that matter.
Good point.
I think what a lot of our posts have been here is dueling anecdotes.
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