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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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May 10, 2010 - 12:41pm PT
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Agree, dogs don't belong at the crag. Nothing annoys me more than while eating some annoying, begging dog stares me in the face, slobbering wanting my food!!!
Yeah, I am a cat lover.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
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May 10, 2010 - 12:45pm PT
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I can see a friend taking my dog the occasional weekend, but I am gone at least 2 weekends a month. Clearly, I need a mother-in-law.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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May 10, 2010 - 12:51pm PT
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I love my dog and take her on trail runs, skiing, and along on all sorts of stuff. She's 9 and has never been to a crag. The occasional dog behaves, but most are in a pain in the a$$ at rock climbing areas. A lot of dogs don't even like seeing their owners climb, it stresses them out.
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Yvergenhauf
Trad climber
UT
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May 10, 2010 - 01:00pm PT
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I had to post this pic of my dog at a crag.
He's well behaved and he always enjoys the day out.
All dogs should not be lumped together, kind of like people.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 10, 2010 - 01:02pm PT
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I've had many, many more bad experiences with people at the crags than with dogs.
And most of the "bad dog" stories here are really about bad dog-owning people.
When the terrain suits it and we're not getting far off the ground, I sometimes do
bring my dogs to the crag. They love it there.
They'll never grab your lunch or chew on your rope or bite you. They don't fight with
other dogs and they don't crap within 10' of any trail, a stream, or even a climber's
path. I don't know how they learned that.
You're far more likely to step in climber poo.
The dogs aren't perfect, they're just dogs after all. They might bark nervously when
you first walk up the trail, but that turns into tail-wagging if you turn out to be friendly.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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May 10, 2010 - 01:08pm PT
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I've never seen a dog put a bolt next to nateral pro. which i see all the time now days. dogs should be at crags - climbers should not. go bark at the moon & eat sh#t. Any dog I have has already been abused before I got them - by humans- so i usually take them with me. if you don't like it tough I don't like selfish humans. My dogs don't leave trash - tape - & all kinds of stuff - wack out trails - put up first assent were they don't belong. when i get a first second or 900th i try to leave things so the next person feels like they were the first. can't say that for most of you.
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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May 10, 2010 - 01:10pm PT
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donini said:
Simply stated- dogs DO NOT belong at climbing areas unless they are well behaved and well cared for which is often not the case.
That applies to climbers too Jim. There are good dogs and good climbers, and there are bad dogs and bad climbers. In both cases, it's the PEOPLE that are the problem.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 10, 2010 - 01:16pm PT
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I agree it's the dog owners who are the problem. Dog owners, it's not okay when.
Your dog barks incessantly after you tie it to a tree and go climbing.
When your dog growls menacingly when I walk by.
When your dog jumps on me like I'm it's new best friend.
When you don't clean up your dog's poop.
The place where I have witnessed the worst dog owner behavior is Boulder.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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May 10, 2010 - 01:19pm PT
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I hate it when people ruin things for other responsible people.
Leaving your dog unattended is usually a problem waiting to happen.
I love seeing dogs at the crags when their people are around. They are having a blast. But MORE OFTEN than not an unattended dog is frightened or barking. People think their dogs are fine alone, but they dont' know because THEY AREN'T THERE. At Lover's Leap multiple times people have come down the descent and their dog mellows out when they see them, so they think the dog was fine, but it was barking and nervous before they walked up.
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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May 10, 2010 - 01:26pm PT
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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May 10, 2010 - 01:29pm PT
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Locker said:
"I personally DO NOT like when people bring their "PETS" with them..."
I guess Blitzo will have to leave you at home from now on!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 10, 2010 - 01:32pm PT
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Sorry weschrist but it's not my job when I go climbing to make every dog in the vicinity like me. It's the owners job to keep their pets from infringing on others experience.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 10, 2010 - 01:40pm PT
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It's the owners job to keep their pets from infringing on others experience.
I agree with that too, but I think Wes was making a point similar to mine -- that if
it's a good-natured dog (and if it's not, then it definitely shouldn't be there), how
you react towards the dog will influence how it reacts to you.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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May 10, 2010 - 01:41pm PT
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idiots don't belong at the crags. This is not Species specific.
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2010 - 01:55pm PT
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"...if it's a good-natured dog (and if it's not, then it definitely shouldn't be there), how you react towards the dog will influence how it reacts to you."
This seems to be an intent to shift the responsibility for the presence of dogs towards other people. I just can't buy into that- it's your dog, and you chose to bring them to the crag and impact other people's experience.
I like dogs- always have, and own one myself. I've seen a few dogs at the crags who were well-mannered and fun to be around, but unfortunately, most of the dogs I have encountered haven't been a positive asset to my experience, or many others around me.
Some people don't like dogs at all for very valid reasons, and others like dogs, but don't find their presence to be part of the experience they seek in the backcountry. If at least 1/2 of the people in backcountry feel this way (if you can use the opinion trend of this thread as a gauge), why is it ok for a few people to impose their view on others?
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pyrrhonota
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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May 10, 2010 - 02:00pm PT
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If you dog is growling at me when walk up that is a the dogs and the owners problem. Like others have said, keep you dog at home unless you are with it at all time, and keep it away from me. What makes you think that I should be okay with you dog running up to me, slobbering on me, and generally taking away from my experience. A lot of dog owners are just like smokers that think other people shouldn't mind their cigarette smoke.
Do you know how your dog acts once you have climbed out of sight?
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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May 10, 2010 - 02:01pm PT
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and vice versa. There are lots of places that don't allow dogs too... That argument could be made for pretty much any activity that goes on outside - e.g. hiking trails, logging, driving, kayaking, hunting, horses, mountain bikes, CLIMBING. you're never going to make everyone happy. if you make everything illegal, than you pretty much shut down access for everyone, and that in itself is imposing an experience.
Really... this is a first world problem. On the scale of things to worry or complain about, it ain't a big deal. Everybody chill out.
(SPH cragging, nobody around, not leashed or tied, and a happy doggie hanging out outside)
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2010 - 02:09pm PT
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"On the scale of things to worry or complain about, it ain't a big deal."
I'm not sure the terrified Australian Shepard puppy I encountered at Tahquitz over the weekend would agree. Or the dog last summer who was left at the base and disappeared- forever.
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Hard Rock
Trad climber
Montana
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May 10, 2010 - 02:28pm PT
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Life isn't perfect. You choose to climb where there are other peoople and dogs. You could climb and live where you don't have to deal with other people. I was raised in a family with 5 kids. Only my dad was right handed. I have accepted the fact that I'm going to have to live in a society with right handed people in it. Last Thursday I was doing trail work on city space above my house. Some friends came by so I told them to take my dogs along with them while I worked. Walked dogs are happy dogs. This is the second tme in a dozen years of trail work my dogs have been taken for a walk. Some dogs have added to your outdoor recreation. No human have stopped and offered to help.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 10, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
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Walked dogs are happy dogs.
Now that's the truth. In their ancient wolf souls, they wanna hike 20 miles a day and find caribou.
We took ours out for a hike yesterday. The humans covered 4.5 miles according to signs.
The old dog, maybe twice that, and the young dog, four times?
They bothered no one, not even caribou.
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