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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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May 13, 2010 - 12:46am PT
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The Chief is passionate about preserving our crags
It's a great thing
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Chinchen
climber
Anacortes, wa
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May 13, 2010 - 12:48am PT
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This thread sucks. Erick Wolfe rules!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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May 13, 2010 - 09:38am PT
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mugu cracks--easy for the few, the proud.
i hate to use the w-word in this polite discussion, but i was about to take my leave when the job got postponed again. we're trying real hard to entertain you, patey, but you get what you pay for. sing "onward christian bonnington"--might help.
i guess the chief isn't a new yorker, and his name probably isn't of much consequence. i'd thank him for defending the land of the so-called free, but, judging from this discussion, he didn't do a good job of it. it's now the land where you're free to do what tools oh so arbitrarily tell you, and best keep your first amendment mouth shut. freedom isn't free, that's true, and it's starting to look like it has to be paid for again.
yea, that second picture is the only crack climb at echo, and someone decided they had to bolt it. it is a good place to set up a toprope on the two 12s beneath it, appropriately named, for this discussion, geezer and whippersnapper. i acquitted myself not too badly on geezer once, and when i started bragging about it was told that it's the easiest 5.12 in southern california.
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Butoou
Sport climber
Malibu
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May 14, 2010 - 02:53am PT
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May 5, 2010 - 10:19am PT
A couple of you seem to be real self-righteous son of a bitches. WTF is all the bumping here? You feel so damn proud that you keep bumping this thread so you can hear yourselves talk? Still haven't even contacted Ben? You have to keep airing your dirty laundry- slagging and dissing on local bros on a national climbing board? What the hell is wrong with you?
What a couple of screwed up Putz's.
Or at least one with multiple avatars (Butoou =Pyro) You guys should be having this talk via email or in person.
Couchy-first of all I am BuiTooU, not Pyro using another avatar, nice try smarttush..
However what concerns me is your morose attitude toward a real concern..and that is the preservation of our natural preserves and our freedom to climb these areas...you seem more concerned with personal vendetta and support of selfish gratification! BuYeah!
GO CLIMB A ROCK
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rurprider
Trad climber
Mt. Rubidoux
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May 14, 2010 - 05:48pm PT
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I had a long conversation with the chief ranger, Evan Jones, at lunch and he is very supportive of climbers. The closure is limited to the 5 routes on the south side of the Grotto, as Tony stated. NONE of the routes in the current Louie Anderson guidebook are affected. The rangers were satisfied that the routes were voluntarily removed and impressed with the respect and cooperation they received. Rangers are being stationed in the streambed below the Grotto to inform climbers about the closure and to educate climbers who may be new to the area that the land manager wants climbers to self-police their activities at the crag; leave no trash, no dogs at the crag, no overnight camping, no fires, no cross-country travel, and no climbing in the closure area. That's it, no other areas are closed or being considered for closure. Nice comments Tony.
Good climbing,
Ben Chapman
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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May 15, 2010 - 12:39am PT
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stop "strip_bolting/grid bolting inside ECHO"
Please respect the area.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Aug 29, 2012 - 04:05pm PT
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This is a great read.
The truth never gets old or outdated.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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LOL!
JTM says:
Over Easter weekend someone decided to mark the trail down to the base of Echo cliffs by spray painting giant fluorescent orange arrows all the way from the parking lot. Although most were painted on the ground (which will wear away), at least 4 big arrows were painted onto rock faces in the descent stream bed/gully. The worst one was painted directly onto the slab at the base of the Grotto.
I'll post pictures tomorrow. I didn't have my camera today.
I appears that some person or group was trying to guide other people to the cliff base. I'm guessing climbers since the hiking groups always use removable flags or tie-tags and never go down the gully to the climbing area. Who the hell can't find there way down a giant gully with an obvious cliff at the base without giant arrows pointing downhill BTW?
What jackass thought this was OK? This is an absolutely unacceptable way to mark a trail. There are half a dozen ways to mark a trail that don't involve the permanence of fluorescent spray paint. This is vandalism pure and simple.
I'm deeply troubled by this and I would very much like to contact the person or group responsible. If anyone was climbing there last weekend and has any information please relay it.
I fully intend to start graffiti removal ASAP while the paint is fresh, but it's going to involve a lot of hauling to get the supplies down there. Anyone who is willing to help sherpa please contact me
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Never been there, but it looks like a cool area. Sans Arrows.
What's the standing turd called? That thing looks cool.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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medusa wrote: Pud ! I have not climbed at the Lame ape's wall since 1992 stupid!! best quote from the medusa.
Skully the entire place is saturated with Chumash indian artifacts.
so if some bone head say's the park rangers don't give a rats aZZ is B.S.
closure is possible.
Carry On!
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