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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jesus. He's gonna come back. At some point. Lol. How can intelligent adults believe that? Funny stuff.
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grover
climber
Northern Mexico
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Sorry Fritz no buzzcut pic.
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grover
climber
Northern Mexico
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I saw this guy in Spokane
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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For now when you atheist go to court, you'll still have to lay ur hand on the bible and swear to tell the truth.
You haven't been to court in a while, if ever, have you????
It doesn't happen like on TV
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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"We are a land where, more than nearly everywhere else, opportunity is a function of striving more than it is of birth. "
Ah, I remember back in 1973, when I thought that this was true...
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jesus. He's gonna come back. At some point. Lol. How can intelligent adults believe that? Funny stuff.
If you ask that question seriously, rather than rhetorically, I would be happy to answer that, as would, I'm sure, many others on this forum who believe precisely that. I see no utility in answering the question for someone uninterested in the answer, though, so I ask. Are you sufficiently interested and is your mind sufficiently open to consider why intelligent people believe that Jesus will return to His creation, or is your mind sufficiently made up that you would dismiss any reply?
John
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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If you ask that question seriously, rather than rhetorically, I would be happy to answer that, as would, I'm sure, many others on this forum who believe precisely that. I see no utility in answering the question for someone uninterested in the answer, though, so I ask. Are you sufficiently interested and is your mind sufficiently open to consider why intelligent people believe that Jesus will return to His creation, or is your mind sufficiently made up that you would dismiss any reply?
Code for... you got to know the secret handshake!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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is your mind sufficiently made up that you would dismiss any reply?
mine's not. Do tell.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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I once popped into a barber shop in Grenada. On the wall was a picture of Jesus. A black, Rasta Jesus. Man, I wanted that thing.
I sometimes smile thinking about how surprised America's Chosen would be if that f*#ker came out of the sky on a big white horse.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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intelligent people
believe that Jesus
Those two phrases should never be used in the same sentence
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Believe that Jesus loves intelligent people. There. When's hell start, Doc?
Big-ass grin here... :0)
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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There is no hell, but if there is, that's where I want to go when I die.
All of my friends will be there.
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Well, now that I've got my S.T. stoke--I'm off to go hiking. Finally a nice day here in NH.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Tvash? Is this the Rasta-Jesus you remember. The dude looks hip & holy to me.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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I remember more of a traditional, photo-realism version, but one's memory while in Grenada can be, well, a bit hazy.
I'm not so sure about the white horse part. I think the Rasta Jesus is more likely to step off a packed Toyota Hiace with "Terminator" boldly painted above the winshield, wielding a rusty cutlash.
I also went to the dentist on Grenada, a big, clumsy women with a teenage assistant. At one particularly painful point, she looked down at me and asked "Are you cryin?". Then she turned to her assistant "Look! He's cryin'!"
An accidental jibe and subsequent mainsail boom in the mouth had broken off half my front tooth during the crossing from Trinidad to Grenada. She was fashioning a temporary cap for me - which stayed on all of 3 days before I swallowed it.
My buddy's comment: "I'm not going to help you look for that."
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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actually, the "native" americans (american aborigines is more accurate) also migrated...just long before there was an america
but the term christian nation does not mean that everyone here is christian; some might take it to mean the majority are christian, but i see it in a more fundamental way
this nation was founded on core judeo-christian ideas:
1) the benevolent source of our rights, NOT granted by government but "endowed by our creator" from the moment of creation (that includes, for you atheists, the right to deny a creator)
2) the idea that government--a purely manmade construct--cannot deny our rights but, instead, has as its primary function the protection of those rights
3) the recognition not simply of the rights of the individual (the greeks introduced this idea), but, more profoundly, the sanctity of the individual; the idea that every single man, woman, and child (including those in the womb) has value regardless of ability, heritage, race, religion, etc.
we're the ONLY nation founded on these principals, donini, and, as a result, the dream destination of the poor and oppressed from around the world...take away that central concept--rights endowed by god--and what do you have? just another empowered government able to deny us our humanity
before you counter with the laundry list of unchristian acts perpetrated by our government, re-read my points; don't confuse the governments we elect with the ideal upon which our elections are founded; of course, we have and will screw up, but i think an objective assessment will show that the founding principals prevail more than fail
read amazing grace by eric metaxas; christianity was the driving force in the aboltion of slavery (even john brown was religiously motivated), the one argument for which there was no effective counter-argument...the men in the british parliament may not have believed in the christian god, but they did believe in the christian ideals (even if they rarely managed to live up to them personally) and were even willing to risk the lives of their sons to stop the international slave trade
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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...we're the ONLY nation founded on these principals..
Uh... Not quite correct. The whole of Western politcal philosophy is based on the Social Contract, and therefore every Western country was or is founded in these principles.
As for the "creator" bit - if you review the history of philosphy, and political philosophy in particular, you'll see that the Western 18th Century mind was simply incapable of comprehending any other reality except a world in which there was a Christian God of some kind. It is, therefore, not surprising that 18th Century political thought reflects that outlook. Remember, the Christians were burning people at the stake who claimed that God did not exist.
I really don't think we should be clinging to some antiquated outlook on life, based on the narrow-mindedness and ignorance of people who lived 200 years ago. Or perhaps they weren't so ignorant, maybe they were just afraid of getting their heads chopped off by Good Loving Christians for promoting a political philosophy that didn't glorify the Christian god.
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