Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
|
|
Does Obama believe in Jesus? He pretends to because you have to believe in Jesus to be the president. All those teabaggers have been trying to say he's a Muslim. As that's a bad thing. Bill Clinton. Christian? Ummm. No but he goes to church. Lol!
|
|
Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
|
|
May 6, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
That we are a Christian nation. Ever spent any time at all in D.C.?
The foundational evidence is EVERYWHERE!!!!
You haven't looked around DC. The symbols are mostly Masonic.
|
|
Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
|
|
If we're not a Christian nation, why has our military been on a crusade for the last 14 years?
Oil, to kill Bin Laden, and 'cause "Saddam tried to kill my Daddy."
Oh yeah. People in power are getting rich.
Anything else?
|
|
Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
|
|
Donini? Re your last post that starts with:
We are not, and never have been, a homogeneous nation like Japan, China or Saudi Arabia
I know you were in China last fall. Did they convince you they are homogenious?
From Wikipedia on the subject:
China has long been a cradle and host to a variety of the most enduring religio-philosophical traditions of the world.[1] Confucianism and Taoism, plus Buddhism, constitute the "three teachings", philosophical frameworks which historically have had a significant role in shaping Chinese culture.[2][3]
Elements of these three belief systems are often incorporated into the traditional folk religions.[4] Chinese religions are family-oriented and do not demand exclusive adherence, allowing the practice or belief of several at the same time.
Some scholars prefer not to use the term "religion" in reference to belief systems in China, and suggest "cultural practices", "thought systems" or "philosophies" as more appropriate terms.[5] There is a stimulating debate over what to call religion and who should be called religious in China.[6]
The emperors of China claimed the Mandate of Heaven and participated in Chinese religious practices.
Since 1949, China has been governed by the Communist Party of China, an atheist organisation, which regulates the practice of religion in mainland China. It presently formally and institutionally recognises five religions in China: Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Protestantism, and Catholicism (though despite historic links, the Party enforces a separation of the Chinese Catholic Church from the Roman Catholic Church).[7]
More on this on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China
|
|
Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
|
|
Does Obama believe in Jesus? He pretends
just the fact that you would even ask such a question.
did you ask that of George Bush, did you ask if he believed in Jesus, and pretends?
why possible reason would you have to think President Obama is not a Christian?
if you said you were and went to church, is that reason for someone else to ask if YOU
believe in Jesus?
wow
|
|
donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2014 - 10:47pm PT
|
Fritz, the Han Chinese is an ethnic group that constitutes 92% of the population of mainland China, sounds kind of homogeneous....also from wikipedia.
|
|
The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
|
|
Norton. Obama and Clinton are intelligent. W not so much but I doubt he believes in Jebus either if that makes you feel better. They all pretend to get elected. That was my point.
|
|
grover
climber
Northern Mexico
|
|
Stay classy America
|
|
Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
|
|
Grover! I do prefer Jesus without a beard. Got any photos of him with a "buzzcut?"
|
|
BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
|
|
^^^ yes Norton. By 2050 with population growth in the world, the religious will be the minority.
I think that's the whole reason the founders wrote the 1st. They knew thru bible proficy that someday 2/3 of the pop. would be atheist. Thus the majority. With an atheist majority the religious are certain to be discremenated against for worshiping an unseeable creator and be held for contempt of court. For now when you atheist go to court, you'll still have to lay ur hand on the bible and swear to tell the truth.
|
|
Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
|
|
Fritz, you can't debate so you post cartoons......did you or have you ever read Matthew chapters 5,6 and 7? If not I challenge you to read them and then let us know what you think. Key word here is think.
|
|
Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
|
|
go-B, I'm not following your line of debate here.....
|
|
rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
|
|
Oh Jim, of course we are a christian nation. At least that's what the Third Reich wants you to believe.
|
|
Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
|
|
Fritz, you can't debate so you post cartoons.....
Fritz posts carefully reasoned and highly intelligent arguments regularly. Why do you say he can't debate? He can debate far better than you can -- read through his posting history and tell me with a straight face that he can't debate.
Nobody criticizes you for talking about your friend Jesus instead of offering reasoned argument, so why get on Fritz for posting a cartoon?
And anyway, sometimes a cartoon sums things up better than pages of debate.
|
|
The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
|
|
He'd f*#k sh#t up!
|
|
Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
|
|
ghost, talking about here and now, not someones posting history and I just asked him a simple question. He can most likely speak for himself. :)
|
|
BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
|
|
No this is not a Christian nation!
The Christians nation will be ran by Gods government. One that man cannot understand through his own thinking. I don't think any Christian would call this their ideal Christian nation anyway. But that's not to say we're not going to try..
|
|
Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
|
|
Lynne: Re your question/comment:
Fritz, you can't debate so you post cartoons......did you or have you ever read Matthew chapters 5,6 and 7? If not I challenge you to read them and then let us know what you think. Key word here is think.
I really appreciate you being on ST and I think you are a wonderful person,
However,
you:
Believe
and
I
Think.
With those differences:
We are not going to convince either one of us of anything, which was my point with the cartoons.
I do respect your religion.
Do you respect my Paganism?
As equal to your Christian religion?
|
|
Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
|
|
I'm out.
Godspeed.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!