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survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Nov 24, 2015 - 12:54pm PT

Oh, and my last sentence is 'flavored' by
my friend who is a Section Chief in an embassy over there, so snark that.

So according to your friend bombing everyone is the best plan? Sweet!

Snark snark.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Nov 24, 2015 - 01:24pm PT

So did the pilot(s) make it out alive?

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Nov 24, 2015 - 03:56pm PT

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331558/Turkey-shoots-fighter-jet-Syrian-border-Local-media-footage-flaming-plane-crashing-trees.html

They both made it out of the plane, but were shot up in their parachutes is what it looks like.

At least one killed in the recue crew also.

vlani

Trad climber

mountain view, ca

Nov 24, 2015 - 04:21pm PT

Putin is hitting Erdogan's most sensitive part - his valet. No wonder Erdogan reacts so nervously.

ISIS "illegal" oil trade used to bring it about $30 million a day - sold to Erdogan's affiliated companies at 1/3 of market price - and, respectively, bringing about 2 billion a year straight into Erdogan's pocket.

In the last 2 weeks or so Russia has destroyed about 1000 tankers used to "illegally" transport that oil from ISIS controlled fields to Turkey refineries. US also did about 100-150, just to show it. That, no doubt, hurts.

It is hard to expect Qatar-affiliated Muslim brotherhood in Turkey not to support Qatar-affiliated Islamic State in Syria and Iraq - so they do, as much as they can - money, arms, training camps on Turkey territory, what else. To mutual benefit, of cause. Friends are always friends.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Nov 24, 2015 - 04:59pm PT

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24/audio-tuaf-warns-ruaf-su-24/

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Shetville , North of Los Angeles

Nov 24, 2015 - 07:32pm PT

The Putinator will rain hell on the ISIS jihadists , Rambo style..Alah help the miserable bastards...

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Nov 24, 2015 - 07:37pm PT

ISIS "illegal" oil trade used to bring it about $30 million a day - sold to Erdogan's affiliated companies at 1/3 of market price - and, respectively, bringing about 2 billion a year straight into Erdogan's pocket.

Lining your pockets has always been a part of the caliph's job description, all the way back to Mohamed himself.

Bushman

Social climber

Elk Grove, California

Nov 24, 2015 - 07:56pm PT

Not to be cruel or heartless but many a nation has played their part in effing up that region if history and memory serves us;
Russo-Turkish Wars, Franco-Syrian War, Franco- Russian War, Cartman-Kyle War.

dirtbag

climber

Nov 24, 2015 - 08:15pm PT

Ha! :-)

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Nov 24, 2015 - 09:31pm PT

Reilly, I'm just f*#king around. There's tons of special ops keyboard warriors around here. I was just riffing on how RA always used to talk about his "pals" in whatever group he was hating on. No offense.
I'll shut my custard hole!

k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Nov 24, 2015 - 10:52pm PT

Turkey shoots down Russian warplane

Has anybody turned to question whether or not this is a Thanksgiving stunt pull off by the turkey?

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber

I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!

Nov 24, 2015 - 11:47pm PT

those anti tank missles used to down USSR jets were supplied by ollie north during the iran contra exchange overseen by ronald raygun,

no wait, same sh#t, different decade, i must be a stoopid american arm chair quarterback who has never seen action,

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Nov 25, 2015 - 12:03am PT

Lining your pockets has always been a part of the caliph's job description, all the way back to Mohamed himself.

Yeah. Here's the Caliph's chapel.

Oh, wait.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Nov 25, 2015 - 12:24am PT

The downing isn't really tactical or strategic. Turkey is just being emphatic about its borders which historically have changed over time and it perceives them to still be at risk to more change which they aren't interested in. It is also more about 'negotiating' with the Russians over natural gas pipelines which Russia would like to put through Turkey in order to bypass the Ukraine.

And look, the Russians haven't had much chance to 'play' of late and this is all about Putin getting to 'stir the pot' in a place where he knows it's inconvenient and doesn't cost him much. He'd blow through a squadron of planes and 10k troops to do it and not blink an eye. On the strategic front he's not to keen on losing his only port in the Mediterranean at Tartus so he does have rationale he can point to as cover for being there.

Lining your pockets has always been a part of the caliph's job description, all the way back to Mohamed himself.

Thank god christianity has always been all about giving to the poor - that's why they built all those cathedrals, as places to distribute wealth to the poor.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Nov 25, 2015 - 06:18am PT

Really - do some of you feel this stuff going on is just boys playing with their toys?

Serious Question: If WWIII were a mountaineering expedition, where are we on the objective("we," meaning the population in general and not one country specifically)? Are we counting and organizing gear? Trekking to Base Camp? Making Acclimation Runs? Plunked in an armchair while absent-mindedly scratching ourselves as we drool over an issue of "Alpinist" magazine?