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Rankin

climber
North Carolina
Mar 29, 2010 - 04:00pm PT
Free soloing is a black art.
I'm not going to tell anyone how they should climb, and I think people are kidding themselves if they think soloing doesn't involve competitiveness. Motivation is complicated and often involves one's own self-image in the context of a greater community. To insist that free soloing should be free of the outside influence of peer perception is ridiculous. People do not work that way.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 29, 2010 - 04:05pm PT
As I read this thread, full of comments from so many climbers I've admired over the years, two thoughts come to mind: (1) There haven't been all that many deaths from falls by climbers intentionally free-soloing an entire route; and (2) Climbing generally is all about risk management.

Allen Bard was a friend of mine. I don't think he thought he was free soloing when he fell but, as was pointed out, it might as well have been. The Sentinel approach has some exposed and uncomfortable moves, but I didn't really think of myself as free-soloing them, any more than I think of North Dome Gully as a free solo. Almost all of us who climbed in the "good old days" in the Valley knew that many of the off-widths and chimneys we climbed were poorly-protected, if they were protected at all. Were we free soloing? If not, were we any less irresponsible than those who were?

I admire those who accept risks I no longer can (my oral pre-nuptial agreement [that's held up for several decades] prohibits fifth class free-soloing, although I sometimes "cheat"). Honnold's Half Dome solo is an amazing feat, far beyond my contemplation even 35 years ago, when my body could still climb well. I have no problem celebrating it, but I also have no problem discouraging its emulation.

Even though this seems hypocritical, I fear that if we make this competitive, and demand the Next Big Solo, we'll push our sport to the point where the general public thought we were decades ago: one step removed from suicide. If this be hypocrisy, make the most of it.

John
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Mar 29, 2010 - 04:41pm PT
I've been soloing and making photos of soloists for over 35years now, I feel like I know somethings about the subject. It's the purest form of the Art of Climbing, it's also the mark of a Champion, an Artist.

If you don't like it, turn the page, don't look at it, don't buy the video, get up and leave, thats what I did when I saw Forest Gump start running.

I've had lots of people tell me that they don't like what I do, guess they feel like they've got to say something. I on the other hand try to not judge, I try to witness, to see the Art and to celebrate life, Climbing. How other's (the public, the Posers) sees this is of no matter to me, I'll leave this to the Righteous among us. . .post on. . .
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Mar 29, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
A far better analogy is soloing and suicide. The person that dies leaves all the wreckage behind for family and other loved ones.

Anyone who chooses to solo must consider the grief they may inflict on myriad others.

It's more than personal.

Thanks goodness no one is affected by people who die while roped up.

But really, the statistics are not known but I would guess that there are enough accidents where people are roped up to make most SAR, friends, family, etc..., not really care specifically about picking up the bodies of soloists or carrying on after they die.

It's those hikers with bad hearts that are the real problem!

Dave

P.S. Yes, it's not personal but then nothing is really personal and it's rather ignorant sounding to suggest that only people more extreme then us roped rock climbers might be going too far.
Evel

Trad climber
Marijuana capital of the US
Mar 29, 2010 - 05:06pm PT
Well.... free soloing is for sure a VERY personal thing, so I guess I'd have to agree that soloing past a roped party is possibly a 'dick' manuver. However, I'm not so sure about the various arguments against doing it. I free solo a lot [not on the level of some] and am careful to not be around others when I do so. And I don't think I'm putting anyone at risk of having to rescue/recover me. Yeah it stinks when somebody augers in, and yeah it stinks for whomever may feel obligated to clean up the mess [which I'm not sure if anybody IS..] As Bullwinkle said soloing is Climbing Art at it's Finest. That leaves the final cut to the Artist.

Peace Ya'll
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 29, 2010 - 05:20pm PT
Cragman, Do you advocate retro bolting dangerous climbs to make them safer?
Alan Rubin

climber
Amherst,MA.
Mar 29, 2010 - 05:48pm PT
In reply to Tom Cochrane--John Hudson died when a cornice broke in South America--I don't remember if he was solo or climbing unroped with a partner--not at all unusual in alpine situations--think Hermann Buhl. As others have said most of us climb unroped on "3rd class" terrain--whatever that is, as it usually varies from person to person, and it is there that many accidents happen. A few years before Jim Adair's death--a fine young man and excellent climber, Johnny Waterman--who later disappeared solo below Denali--and I were approaching up the ramps to the Steck-Salathe and got on the wrong ramp. When we discovered our mistake Johnny wanted to head straight up the slabs to the next ramp but conservative Alan persuaded him(not without considerable difficulty) to backtrack to locate the correct ramp. My understanding is that Jim made the same route-finding mistake but instead of back-tracking attempted the "short-cut". But there surely have been too many deaths by experienced soloists who deliberately set out to do a solo--several from the UK that I'm aware of include Jim Jewell,Tony Wilmott, Peter Biven,Paul Williams,(these last 3 all on easy--for them--routes that they'd previously soloed) and a mate of Jerry Moffat whom he writes about in his recent book.Also English climber Cliff Phillips, who was at the time a leading soloist, somehow survived a 200+ ft. fall onto talus in North Wales and was able to drive himself to the hospital!!! And there have been many more solo deaths on the Continent. I'm not condeming soloing--it is an individual choice, but I'm just countering a few comments on this thread that seem to downplay the number of such deaths. Basically I totally agree with jstan's comments.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 29, 2010 - 09:36pm PT
It's interesting that the list that Beck asked for is so short! This group of climbers posting on this thread has many many years of experience and knowledge of different parts of the world and this is all we got?!

I was sitting around Sunday talking with my brother about all the high school classmates we knew who had passed on...it was significantly longer than this list. Furthermore, I can come up with a list of local climbers who have passed away from other things (Car wreck, hiking slip, motorcycle accident, Lou Gehrigs disease, suicide, etc etc) that would put all of your contributions in total to shame. I don't know any active climbers who died of a heart attack though, whereas that's the #1 or 2 killer of the general population.

I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.....anyway - are we done compiling the list Erik? Not very long, fortunately.
TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Mar 29, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
Alistair "Bugs" McKieth, on Mt Assiniboine, 1978.

I spoke with his two partners on the climb, and they said he unroped after the final technical pitch, and decided to third class the relatively low angle summit snow/ice slab that had an overhanging summit cornice. As he was topping out the cornice collapsed.

I mention this because, once again, we have a highly skilled alpinist/climber, on relatively easy ground, making a fatal mistake(his two partners wanted to continue as a roped party to the summit).

smith curry

climber
nashville,TN
Mar 29, 2010 - 10:43pm PT
I stopped looking at free soloing the same way after I started climbing in the mountains a lot. Staying roped up and/or pitching climbs out is a good way to get killed in the mountains. I recently had a health scare, and one thing I thought was "God I'm glad I got to do all those climbs (and solos) before I got sick". I got better but it makes you think...
Eric Beck

Sport climber
Bishop, California
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2010 - 10:49pm PT
Thanks guys for all the data you have contributed. This was not intended to be an exercise in ghoulishness. You have confirmed my thesis that free soloing deaths are not that common. Many of the reports, such as falling off a class 3-4 approach were not what I was really looking for. An example here could be the death of Terray, slipping on grass, after finishing a climb at his local crag.

Let me share some data from different fields. I worked on the patrol at Squaw Valley for 6 years in the 70s. We accumulated data on the number of accidents on different runs. The winner by far was Broadway, a beginner's run. The fewest number of incidents were on KT22, almost all advanced skiing. However, these tended to be much more serious, involving falling over cliffs or hitting trees.

Along this line, I have heard that the accident rate on twisty mountain roads is much less than that on wide open freeways.

The idea here, seems to be that when the danger is obvious people pay much more attention.

Anyway, should Alex decide to climb El Cap without a rope, an idea which gives me the absolute creeps, it may not be as dangerous as it appears. I do not encourage this activity, but also cannot comprehend how good modern climbers really are.

Let's note that what we all love about climbing is the actual climbing, our bodies moving over the stone. All the other stuff we do with ropes and hardware is just to allow us to climb without feeling gripped.
dr. juicer kaniglio

Trad climber
san diego, ca
Mar 29, 2010 - 10:56pm PT
today, i saw a roped climber deck, and most likely compound fracture his arm, on a pitch that i free solo daily. this is the second time in the last couple years that ive witnessed a roped climber deck on a route that i free solo. go figure.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Mar 30, 2010 - 12:14am PT
Soloing is always amazing, and an interesting yardstick.

Few other activities have that kind of focus factor. Sure, people that do the crazy ass solo boating ventures are really cutting it thin, and base jumping is always insanely dangerious, but Alex on Half Dome...

Two and a half hours where one split second wrong decision, one small foot placement error or a sneeze and you are out of there.... woah. The kind of people that can pull that off accomplish more for the story of humanity than the building of any skyscraper or writing of any novel. That is control over the human brain in ways we will not see anywhere else.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Mar 30, 2010 - 12:15am PT
Dr. Juicer, where was this at??
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Mar 30, 2010 - 12:17am PT
Along this line, I have heard that the accident rate on twisty mountain roads is much less than that on wide open freeways.

I'm calling BS on that unless I see some convincing data.
I suppose you think riding a tricked out sport bike is safer than cruising in a Camry for the same reason?

Your point undoubtedly has some validity in some situations, but come on.

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 30, 2010 - 12:17am PT
Cragman, that is exactly what I am getting at. Climbing r or x rated climb is just as much driveing without a seatbelt as soloing. The burden on society is pretty much exactly the same.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Mar 30, 2010 - 12:25am PT
But are they ding safe?
Fuzzywuzzy

climber
suspendedhappynation
Mar 30, 2010 - 12:36am PT
Roy. Jello. Bullwinkle.

Thanks
Curt

Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
Mar 30, 2010 - 12:38am PT
"...I am saying that the result of a mistake are (is?) most often fatal..."

Thank God that's not necessarily the case.

Curt
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Mar 30, 2010 - 01:54am PT
Below are two threads, from April 2006, in which we discussed this topic.
… Other perspectives and further offerings by our esteemed contributors,
You might think of them as "extensions" of the current thread: they are there for your perusal.



Eric Beck's thesis brings to mind something I've long held (not too tightly), which is that a climber free soloing on difficult free ground is quite typically so focused, so well-prepared, and so given to the task at hand, all concentrated in such a very short and dedicated time span, notably with minimal distraction, that a margin of safety actually goes UP, when compared with many acts of daily living, let alone climbing.

Now there's a counterintuitive idea!

Debate that as you will; it is not meant as a justification for anything.
Uh, except free soloing, at the perfect moment ... (NOTE: you may die or become seriously injured as an outcome of an attempt to perform said act),
This is primarily just my "out-of-the-box" assessment and a whimsical rumination; an observation.


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A sobering look at free solo ...

http://supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1129628/Free-Soloing-Deaths



Celebrating the Free Solo!

http://supertopo.com/climbers-forum/183477/Celebrating-the-Free-Solo


Below are four excerpts of my own contributions to the second thread,
Not quite as concise as what I posted just above (yesterday), but with some deeper expository effort put toward unwrapping certain notions:


There is no safe place: only a linkage of choice and experience, for a limited time, either alone or with people you care about.

Think, imagine, all the times you have been in harm's way in life and didn't even know it. Where you in death's reach during many points in your 7000 leads? Was that auto accident eluding you because you left the house 5 minutes late?

It comes down to active and passive risk taking. When you choose to risk, whether by solo, rope, car, diet, & etc, your apparaisal of the risk is only approximate, but it is done with a degree of awareness. Awareness is a funny thing in this regard and we often comfort ourselves with a certain ignorance.

I choose active risk taking, where my resolve and tenacity are openly tested, where I can meet life and grow in response to adversity. Passive risk taking, meaning risk we undergo without a clear awareness, represents to me a missed opportunity to be awake and alive: It envelopes a delusion of safety and much of it is unavoidable.

Many times as a guide, I explained the value of a bit of free soloing to help sharpen the leading skill. How many times have I been on lead, only to find that the gear or situation was really one much the same as a free solo? This preparedness and familiarity of that condition has been crucial. The free solo and the lead have blurred lines.

We live much of life in delusion per the risks. Yes we can mitigate our exposure. Our choices in the end are highly personal and must be carefully applied. There is no safe place. Awareness, judgement, and courage must be wrought, moment by moment.


What I see as a core isssue here (aside from the notable concept of exposing children to death, which is a horror for sure), is this concept that is brought up quite often on these forums: the touchy subject of external controls[passive controls] vs internal controls[judgement].

Dig:
In the olden days, before Ben Hur, climbers were super duper into exposing themselves to a style of ascent which brought out the best in instincts, judgement, self reliance. It really was meant and practiced in the spirit of mountaineering and total self sufficiency. (leader never laybacks,leader never falls!) This meant more with less. It meant commitment. Dare I say there is a certain genius in boldness, but, but, this only comes about through extensive time commitment and all out focus.

In modern times, there are more and more people getting [into] climbing, which still is very close to a true blood sport, confused with mere recreation. Yes, it can be recreation and it doesn't have to be a blood sport any longer. But: this concept that wearing a helmet, leading vs soloing, bolting vs placing gear, over bolting vs artful runouts, this is a concept which is contributing a lot of reliance on passive control, thereby helping the concept of rigorous internal control to slip to the rear of our collective and individual consciousness.

This IS dangerous!

It's probably good that people now wear helmets, but as ALPSPITZ said a month ago on super topo: "A helmet is no substitute for judgement".

Our culture (particularly American culture) is heavily invested in external controls and slowly losing grasp of sacrifice and commitment. The flexible, adaptive and ACTIVE mental and physical capacity which results in the individual gets lost when we rely more and more on external controls.

Sport climbing is great. Gyms are wonderfull for kids and many of us who have diminished free time.

The issue I am underscoring is the delusional thinking cultivated in people who are over invested in external controls and under enriched in internal controls. This style of personal developement is very risky when it is applied to the "blood sport" milieu of trad climbing. It is less risky when applied to highly controlled climbing environments, but it is still a problem. People, climbers, need too develope a balanced understanding of the risks as well as a balanced application of there own self assesment skills.



If you think you shouldn't free solo: don't.
If you feel like you could: think again.

I believe competent free soloing is not the domain of the climbing masses, yet I say, to some degree, it has a place in most any trad climber's repertoire. Such as: certain descents and mountainous approach terrain. The whole definition of third class is the historical and practical reference: meaning ground which is harder than 2nd class and easier than 4th class, ground whereby one typically does not use a rope but where a fall may be fatal.

For more difficult free soloing to be enriching and relatively sane, there has to be present within the individual a very well seated recognition of positive outcome, a certainty, within the mind-body.

Most of my friends, as they age, solo less. Given their aging tissues and diminished time contact with stone,(whereby mental pathways are less reconnected with nerves and willing physique), they should be reaching a conclusion to solo less.

They as well should lead less difficult stuff and stay within their comfort zones, unless there activity level is highly sustained as in there brilliant youth.

When I was a very young lead climber, 13 years old, I recognized the risks and proceeded with extreme caution, staying well within my zone, before learning to push the envelope.

Young or old, This is the same type of internal assesment skill which every risk taker needs to begin to develope from day one. It is risk management 101.


I'm falling right now and I intend to survive.
(totally deluded)!




Other folks wrote some neat stuff in those two threads ... go check it out!
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