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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 19, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
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You still haven't posted ONE VIABLE REALISTIC solution you have in place, ready to deploy, that will replace all FF's for ALL 7.2 Billion inhabitants of this planet that currently depend on em for daily survival. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Inhofe
Is it only for the AGW side to come up with the solution? Chief, you seem to be blaming the AGW side for not getting us off fossil fuels. That's going to be a big challenge, but it's guys like Inhofe that are really in the way. And how do they get in the way? Does this guy really know enough about the climate to write a skeptics book on AGW? I don't think so. There is more like this below in the Wiki link about Inhofe;
Environmental issues
Inhofe, former chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, does not believe that human activities cause climate change.[32] In The Republican War on Science, Chris Mooney stated that Inhofe "politicizes and misuses the science of climate change".[33] On the other hand, Inhofe's view on climate change have been praised by Australian geophysicist and climate change skeptic Bob Carter, who says that Inhofe "has been instrumental in making sure that some of the other side of the story on climate change remains in the public domain."[34]
Inhofe often repeats his claim that human influenced climate change is a hoax and impossible because “God’s still up there.” and that it is “outrageous” and arrogant for people to believe human beings are “able to change what He is doing in the climate.”[35]
In a July 28, 2003, Senate speech, Inhofe stated, "I have offered compelling evidence that catastrophic global warming is a hoax. That conclusion is supported by the painstaking work of the nation's top climate scientists."[36] He cited as support for this the 1992 Heidelberg Appeal and the 1999 Oregon Petition, as well the opinions of individual scientists that he named including John Christy, Fred Singer, Richard Lindzen, Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas. In his speech, Inhofe also discussed the then current Soon and Baliunas controversy, and said that "satellite data, confirmed by NOAA balloon measurements, confirms that no meaningful warming has occurred over the last century."[37] However the satellite temperature record corroborates the well-documented warming trend noted in surface temperature measurements.[38]
Looks like we could call Inhofe 'fundementalist'.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 19, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
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Bruce sure seems to practice so.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 19, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
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This is interesting. I was studying the magazine that the above mentioned article is in and then decided to look up Lewandowsky himself and found his blog. Thanks Rick! This could be interesting. That other magazine, Spike, is kind of a dark little black hole.
http://www.shapingtomorrowsworld.org/bio.php?u=22
That's Lewandowski, the guy SPIKED is misrepresenting.
Below is the conclusion SPIKED came too at the end of their story. It's pretty stupid of course;
"The consequence of this should be alarming to everyone who takes an interest in the climate and other scientific debates, no matter what their view on climate change. Lewandowsky demonstrates that the academic institutions do not produce dialogue that has any more merit than the petty exchanges — flame wars –that the internet is famous for. Dressing political arguments up in scientific terminology risks the value of science being lost to society — its potential squandered for an edge in a political fight. After all, if Lewandowsky’s work is representative of the quality of scientific research in general and the standards the academy expects of academics, what does that say about climate science and the quality of the scientific consensus on climate change? If the scientific argument about the link between anthropogenic CO2 and climate change is only as good as Lewandowsky’s claim that ‘Rejection of climate science [is] strongly associated with endorsement of a laissez-faire view of unregulated free markets’, then perhaps climate sceptics should be taken more seriously."
SPIKED and FORBES should mate, and then Ron could stuff the offspring.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 20, 2013 - 12:10am PT
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History and physical evidence clearly shows that this planet has endured major asteroid impacts just like the recent one on the Moon. Another event that will again happen and completely change human life on planet earth as you know it. Science can't do shet when that occurs either.
A recent The Chief anti-science rant. Vs. reality:
NASA Announces Asteroid Grand Challenge
WASHINGTON -- NASA announced Tuesday a Grand Challenge focused on finding all asteroid threats to human populations and knowing what to do about them.
The challenge, which was announced at an asteroid initiative industry and partner day at NASA Headquarters in Washington, is a large-scale effort that will use multi-disciplinary collaborations and a variety of partnerships with other government agencies, international partners, industry, academia, and citizen scientists. It complements NASA's recently announced mission to redirect an asteroid and send humans to study it.
"NASA already is working to find asteroids that might be a threat to our planet, and while we have found 95 percent of the large asteroids near the Earth's orbit, we need to find all those that might be a threat to Earth," said NASA Deputy Administrator Lori Garver. "This Grand Challenge is focused on detecting and characterizing asteroids and learning how to deal with potential threats. We will also harness public engagement, open innovation and citizen science to help solve this global problem."
Grand Challenges are ambitious goals on a national or global scale that capture the imagination and demand advances in innovation and breakthroughs in science and technology. They are an important element of President Obama's Strategy for American Innovation.
"I applaud NASA for issuing this Grand Challenge because finding asteroid threats, and having a plan for dealing with them, needs to be an all-hands-on-deck effort," said Tom Kalil, deputy director for technology and innovation at the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. "The efforts of private-sector partners and our citizen scientists will augment the work NASA already is doing to improve near-Earth object detection capabilities."
NASA also released a request for information (RFI) that invites industry and potential partners to offer ideas on accomplishing NASA's goal to locate, redirect, and explore an asteroid, as well as find and plan for asteroid threats. The RFI is open for 30 days, and responses will be used to help develop public engagement opportunities and a September industry workshop.
I just got back from SmelLA and checked out the shuttle Endeavor exhibit. Very cool stuff. The only thing cooler than the shuttle is the Apollo program. But maybe it's all fake because "science can't do shet". LOL.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 20, 2013 - 01:21am PT
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OK, I'm going to try to keep things more positive and try to refrain from using low-life language. I want to thank Rick again for bringing to our attention this great website from Australia that fights the good fight there against all odds and against the demons that own most of the newspapers (Murdock et al ) and that go about misinforming people ( like there's no tomorrow ) and like that's what newspapers are for. Here's the website. I hope Rick is generous enough to keep finding these for us;
http://www.shapingtomorrowsworld.org/about.htm
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Jun 20, 2013 - 02:50am PT
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Chief Tiny Crotch Rocket do you really think it is the general population that is preventing sustainable energy production that is better for the environment than fossil fuels or do you think that BIG OIL is suppressing the technology and it's delivery system??
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 20, 2013 - 10:23am PT
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Nice van.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 20, 2013 - 10:24am PT
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Hey, is that water on that duck's back?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 20, 2013 - 10:29am PT
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The Chief,
Don't threads like this make you worry about your karma, man? Negativity is bad in such high doses. Life is short. Stop with them negative waves.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Jun 20, 2013 - 10:32am PT
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Chief we have the technology to be able to travel in vehicles that don't use fossil fuel.
However the car companies and the Big Oil companies are in collusion (through their board of directors) and produce vehicles that are unapealing to the eye and lack the performance that most are accustomed to (my dad included). I drive while obeying traffic laws and use the road as a way to get where I want to go----not as my personal race track (you have admitting to using it as your personal drag strip BTW).
We should be able to purchase any make and model of vehicle in a version that decreases dependence on fossil fuel (with fossil fuel versions being increased in price to offset the costs of the new technology versions---and being completely phased out over 10-15 years).
The general public would support this once they realized the benefits for future generations and that performance need not decrease...
Your turn Chief Tiny Crotch Rocket (BTW tiny crotch rocket refers to the body part used for riding humans not a motorcycle).
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 20, 2013 - 11:08am PT
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All consistent with global cooling Malemute. The phase transition we are in creates pockets of heat as the oceans give up energy in compensation of decreased solar activity. If you guys didn't know better you would have to admit that mother nature is oblivious to your understanding. Previous to this heat wave their, portions of the country were unseasonably cool.
Thanks Ed for the primer on CO2, most of which i have read in bits and pieces. Just glanced through the first part as i printed it and will read as time allows in my daily goferring. One thing is apparent from the get go though, radition entrapment/deflection and increased CO2 are not in lineal progression and the water vapor increase has not materialized-perhaps after a period of decreased TSI and increase of CR flux because of the reduced solar magnetic field this feedback will kick in to modulate temperature decrease-just a wild guess.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jun 20, 2013 - 11:13am PT
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Did someone just say the oceans were losing heat energy? Interesting theory, please go on.
Any fluctuations are happening on a rising trend line.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 20, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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Our chances of successfully controlling the Earths climate are less
than the chances that green mildew in your shower has of controlling the temperature of the bath water.
That is irrelevant. What are our chances of successfully reducing our carbon emissions to prevent EVEN MORE CO2 build up in the atmosphere? We've already increased the CO2 by 40%. Should we increase it by 60%, 80%, more... out of laziness, willful ignorance, or an unwillingness to change our wasteful ways?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 20, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
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I imagine any CO2 reduction in China will be incidental to air polution particulate reduction accomplished in much the same way as we reduced pollution in the 80's to 90's. Now, the interesting question is who is providing the seed money to get this program going?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 20, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
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Someone has to pay for the adverse effects of co2.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 20, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
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Rong's world... where opinion base on uninformed speculation is "undeniable future fact" and well established physics is part of a vast conspiracy and should NOT be used to inform ANY future decisions.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 20, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
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