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dirtbag
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Sep 16, 2009 - 03:37pm PT
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Here's the culprit:
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 16, 2009 - 03:39pm PT
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9-11 could have been allowed with only a few people's knowledge and not even participation. This whole stink about buildings is just a distraction (although I did hear a speech from an architect who claimed he designed part of the building and that it was prewired for demolition from day one since buildings could very profitably be turned over in those days)
That's a different group of people than would fake WMDs in Iraq. They didn't need to find em, they were arrogant enough to say FU to the world with impunity. They knew we were in too deep to say "Sorry" and leave. Plus Bush claimed to have found them at one point and some folks still believe it!
Again, they faked the WMD evidence in advance to get in Iraq. (Niger uranium) Nobody got punished for that treason so why expect any justice?
Peace
Karl
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Sep 16, 2009 - 03:43pm PT
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Oh Rox, many financial institutions were damaged and destroyed. The idea the conspirators needed to limit the destruction is absurd.
Karl, your statement that the wtc buidlings were prewired for destruction so you can turn them over makes you look like a loonball. Did you really suck that in?
BTW, you guys prattle on about 'first time in history' crap.
How about the first time in history a skyscraper, let alone two have been brought down by controlled demo from the top down? What if something went wrong? Yea, I know, the ninjas would have run in and cleaned things up.
The truth is, there was no need for the buildings to collapse. Four simultaneous suicide hijackings, 500 dead and 3 smoking icons would have been enough to get the job done. No risk manager would ever multiply the risk by adding a ground operation.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 16, 2009 - 03:51pm PT
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"...that it was prewired for demolition from day one since buildings could very profitably be turned over in those days
It's hard to decide whether it's the innanity, the stupidity, or just the gross level of insult to one's intelligence inherent in this sort of pap that makes it such a surprise that anyone would bother typing it without a gun to their head.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 16, 2009 - 04:01pm PT
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Joe wrote
""...that it was prewired for demolition from day one since buildings could very profitably be turned over in those days
It's hard to decide whether it's the innanity, the stupidity, or just the gross level of insult to one's intelligence inherent in this sort of pap that makes it such a surprise that anyone would bother typing it without a gun to their head."
screw you healyJ!
I made no claim that it was true, just that I heard an architect, in person, say he was part of the design team, and that they prewired it in case it needed to go.
What's so weird about that? Most buildings have to go someday, wouldn't it be cheaper to have the wiring rigged in advance? Doesn't mean they planned to blow up up on the sly, just that they would have an easy time blowing it legit style in the future like many buildings
Peace
Karl
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Sep 16, 2009 - 04:04pm PT
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It's been brought up before Rox. There's been plenty of time to consider it. It's about as loony as it gets. Do we really need to explain it to you so you can prattle on about some detail?
And Karl, it's amazing you gave that idea any credence.
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pedge
Trad climber
SW
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Sep 16, 2009 - 04:14pm PT
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Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld didn’t find any WMD in Iraq because they were just disposable faces. They were not in on the 911 plan, they just did what they thought they were supposed to, and then they became less useful, which meant they could be discredited. Anyone we might think was involved in the conspiracy was not. The people who are actually involved in the ongoing manipulation of world events do not waste their time with public personas. Their aims and the logic of their plans are and will remain inscrutable, which is why trying to reveal the “truth” about any aspect of what they are doing is pointless. Just because we catch an occasional glimpse of places where the world does not fit together in the way it is supposed to does not mean that we can have any real insight into what is going on behind the scenes. Their plans and objectives are as incomprehensible to us as was the logic or justice of God’s actions to Job. Its best to simply assess the challenges within our actual spheres of action and try to be a good person. Articulated belief in the unknowable is, essentially, false idol worship. Faith is the movement away from the attempt to specifically image that which is beyond us. Have faith and stop trying to find the truth in this, because you will succeed in discrediting no one except those who have been set up for that purpose.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 16, 2009 - 04:46pm PT
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"And Karl, it's amazing you gave that idea any credence."
What's weird about that theory Monolith. All I said was that an archetect involved in drafting the plans said they had plans to wire for it's eventual demolition. Sounds like a reasonable idea having nothing whatever to do with any conspiracy or ill will to me.
In a thread like this, how is hearing something non-conspiratorial directly from the source remotely looney? Are you guys listening? Having the building plumbed for fire extinguishers woudn't mean they planned to start a fire.
PEace
Karl
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:08am PT
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We are talking about a 269,434 lb plane, hitting the pentagon wall at around 400 MPH.
Do you believe the official story?
On one hand, we're to believe planes brought down the towers.
On the other, the plane that hit the Pentagon did almost no damage.
What is it. Do planes wreck buildings, or don't they?
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:15am PT
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Yep, all buildings are the same and must suffer identical damage when hit by a plane.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:18am PT
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Now there's a real smart reply! (Hint: not!)
Take a few minutes and read though this, you might find it interesting:
http://patriotsquestion911.com/Counterterrorism_Veterans.pdf
These are decorated folks who have served their lives defending the US... Go ahead, open it up and read for a minute or two.
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:20am PT
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Kman: are you seriously saying you cannot see the plane in that post crash picture?
Shiit man.... get a grip!!!!!111666
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:23am PT
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What plane Russ?
Great link Kman!
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:25am PT
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For f*#k sake people, there are loads of folks who saw the damned plane crash into the building.
Not to mention the fact that the plane that crashed into the pentagon, and all its passengers, went missing.
Let me guess: the passengers and the airline are part of the conspiracy too?
These "ideas" richly deserve the ridicule they are receiving. Get a grip.
Edit: looks like Russ also suggested you get a grip. Well yeah, what Russ said.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:29am PT
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I don't know, maybe we should ask somebody who was there? You know, somebody who worked for the Pentagon. Perhaps a scientist?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:30am PT
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Loads of people? Name one!
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:32am PT
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Let me tell you retards how it was done.
Nope, not today.
I don't want to keep having to replace my break lines and weird guys in black suv's parked outside wearing dark sunglasses on overcast days .....
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:32am PT
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Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski was working in the Pentagon on 9/11 in her
capacity as Political-Military Affairs officer in the Office of
the Secretary of Defense when Flight 77 allegedly hit the
Pentagon.
She wrote:
“There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked
lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this
strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the
kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from
the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack
thereof may also have been apparent to the Secretary of Defense
[Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue
referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a
‘missile.’
“I saw nothing of significance at the point of impact - no
airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front
of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the
Pentagon. ... [A]ll of us staring at the Pentagon that morning
were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected to see
was not evident.
“The same is true with regard to the kind of damage we expected.
... But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade
had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter.
Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for
30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively
straight.
“The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a
strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one
would expect if a missile had struck the Pentagon. ... More
information is certainly needed regarding the events of 9/11 and
the events leading up to that terrible day.”
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:36am PT
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Kman: are you seriously saying you cannot see the plane in that post crash picture?
Funny Russ. Yeah, I see a plane...can I go now? I gotta pee...
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 17, 2009 - 12:36am PT
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Yea, lets will run planes into the towers, then hit the pentagon with a missile in front of thousands of commuters, stop traffic, plant the evidence on the freeway(knocked down poles), then claim it was a plane.
Makes sense to me.
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