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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
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Yes, sometimes we collectively agree to consume public resources for shared benefit.
In the 41 years I've been alive, I don't believe anyone has asked me if I thought it was OK to end the life of a tree for a shared benefit, i.e., Xmas in NYC.
Who is the "we" you refer to?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
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The Christmas tree and east coast analogies illustrate that you people are just as ignorant about the real issue as Joe is/was. It has been spelled out for you over an over.
"We" are the professionals who can tell tree species and know what healthy forests look like.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
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You can't B.S. me, Ms L.
You haven't been around for 41 years.
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
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^^^MChrist... step away from a computer... slowly.
I'm not a f*#king idiot, so don't talk to me like one.
You can't B.S. me, Ms L.
You haven't been around for 41 years.
HA! My 21 year old son tells me otherwise!
;)
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
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I sickened by the apologist on this thread.
I've taken Ron to task when he's been wrong & been tough on him. & he has lashed out at me. I'm man enough to take it.
But Ron can also be a great resource.
Ron can be a jerk at times.
Get over it.
On this issue Ron has been on target & he is right.
To say what happened is ok because of anything is wrong.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
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Thank you leggs.
Though I am not up to speed on the western eco system I completely understand the difference between cutting trees in an arid climate vs the rain forest that I live in. We got a whole bunch of trees and you don't. I simply bring up the fact that we have almost as many trees as we got black flies. I can see how a stoner dude from Rumny would think that tree gotta go. That is how things are done here. Even the ultra trad 100% ground up crew up in the Kingdom is handy with a saw.
Ron. My sisters house got more dead
deer on the wall than you can shake a stick at. i think it's creepy but they give me vennison. I would much rather make knife handles and coat hangers from the antlers than have the damn thing stareing at me all the time..
I Think stuffed critters in a general store,gun shop, bar or other public place are pretty cool. An opertunity for many to see the critters up close. In a private den as trophy look at me hero wall crap it's bad karma. YMMV
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
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Thank you, Tradman, I appreciate your insights.
I simply love trees. All trees. A CA native, I was surrounded by trees. Here in the desert, I am surrounded by beautiful cactus. Hurts to see one of those get chopped too.
PS: Don't eat that venison, dude.
;)
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
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The national Christmas Tree?
False equivalence.
The national Christmas tree has been a living tree (transplanted) since 1973. Not all of them successfully survived the transplant. Most of them have come from nurseries. So they're not likely more than 100 years old, with more coming along right behind.
I'd like to know how old the removed tree was. I'm sure many here would be surprised.
I can see how a stoner dude from Rumny would think that tree gotta go. Now that's an interesting perspective.
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
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HT ... I did not realize that. Thank you for the info!
I love when I am wrong. (seriously)
(just don't tell drljefe I said that)
;)
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
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Leggs
I had to look it up!!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
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No worries. Millions of other folks will cut down live trees for Christmas... ;)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
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I think you just like busting people;)
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
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No wonder the president didn't answer my letter.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
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Ron, didn't you drill pockets?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
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Stealing Christmas Trees. That's classic.
Give Christ a chance, goddamnit!
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
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I cleaned up the house and mowed the lawn now what?
oh it's not about me, carry on.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
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Climbers have been cutting down trees at various crags around the world for last 40 years, all before there was Instagram, and most of you are none the wiser.
So this make this instance okay? People have been stealing from other for centuries and apologized when they got caught. Does that mean if I steal something from you (your rack?), get caught and apologize (geez, I did not realize it was wrong) it is okay and no one on the forum should criticize me?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
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tradman....
You're welcome to come across the country and harvest the 50 foot Doug Fir just outside my window. It's bigger and bushier than Joe's Juniper and only 40 years old.
Don't even have to bring your own chainsaw.
;-)
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
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It's just plain simple.
We climbers are not supposed to cut down trees for our climbs on public lands.
If we continue to disrespect our freedom to do new routes and resort to cutting down sh!t then these land managers are gonna raise hell on us.
They believe we know better and absolutely we should know better.
There's no way around it ......
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
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Werner. Yep. End of story.
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