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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:33am PT
I still want to send a bunch of gear....where do i send it?
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:56am PT


WOW

begging and insulting at the same time.

Poor form


But good luck with that
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:11am PT
That's not pelut. It's a troll. The real peluts name is un des tants. I would love to help out, but i'm not exactly in a position to do so from the rehab ward. Maybe when i get back on my feet i will be more able to do so. Good luck with your quest.

Mike
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:24am PT
Given all the need for medical care, food and clothing, why be concerned about bolts and climbing gear?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:26am PT
One reason Randisi is that a lot of us have pefectly good gear that we no longer use....nice to find a home for it and help climbers in need.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Well, yeah.. the begging and insulting tactic may not be the best approach if you want positive results.

What I would like is some clarification about your post so here it goes...

Advice: You should clarify what country/area you are speaking about and provide contact information and how/where to send donations BTW. If you need bolts you should specify what type/size is preferable for your rock. Post some pics. [edit] Also your name and involvement with the local community; to let people know you aren't just some random dirtbag. You should consider setting up a website for climbing in your area to facilitate donations.

Recently a group of supertopo climbers has made a big difference here in the Philippines! They have donated tons of gear here that has enabled many different people to try climbing for the first time!!

Yay.. Supertopo foreigners good?


Since I have been here I have had the pleasure of distributing loads of climbing gear [+money etc]....

You.. good?


Since I have been here there have been maybe 50 foreign climbers from the U.S. and Europe who have used the climbing area for 5 pesos (less than a penny). While using the bolts (which need replacing) and generally showing what RICH ASSHOLES they are as they buy beers after climbing that would pay for a weeks food but don't pay the climbers who helped them...what is wrong with our society???


a) Are we still talking Phillipines here? (Pesos??.. do they use those in the Phillipines?_)

b) Forigners all bad now???


Is it to much to ask for someone who has had climbing change their life to give a little something back??? Most of you have more than you need....yeah no kidding it is easier to see that when you watch children roll a bike tire down the street for fun because they have nothing to play with...



Er.. no it's not to much to ask.. Perhaps you should set up a donation center to clue people in. People on vacation may not be insensitive.. just clueless.

No.. most of us do not presume to know what a kid presumes as "fun" BTW. When I was a kid nothing made me happier than a cardboard box. I don't believe that a foreigner watcing me play with my box was automatically an insensitive capitalist touron pig-dog.



WHO CAN DONATE BOLTS/HANGERS TO HELP THESE PEOPLE????

Lots of folks if you don't piss them off by labeling them as...
...self rightous... etc


Reading about people who have enough cash to throw a party in JTREE and still ask for donations to supplement their climbing lifestyle is REPULSIVE as


Random and inaccurate accusation. Donations have generally gone to sick and injured folks over the years. Not exactly the type of closer that draws in generous donations BTW.


You may want to work on your bedside manner. This tactic has some drawbacks.



Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
I don't know what to think about the original poster of this thread.

Okay, some people in the Philippines need gear.

Until our personal financial meltdown, we were giving, every month, by direct debit (€250/month for over four years, you do the maths).

Concern (www.concern.net)
Barnardos (www.barnardos.ie)
VSO (www.vso.ie)
Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children
Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals
Dublin-Wicklow Mountain Rescue
Royal National Lifeboats Institute (RNLI)
Alzheimer's Ireland.

Eight charities. And I have the records to prove it. (Back in November, on the advice of my oldest brother, who knows Jen and I are financially strapped: "Patrick, stop it, charity begins at home".) A lot of charities are suffering with the global economic downturn.

And this sanctimonious person comes on the SuperTopo, complaining about gear to climbers? Lecturing us.

There are people dying out there in the world... no fresh water, no food, disease and illness and this guy is concerned about climbing gear?

Have I been trolled/trawled?


EDIT

I am trying to make ends meet (like many of us) and keep my partner from going into full-time care, and some person starts a f*#king thread about giving gear to climbers in the Philippines. Hello. Have I missed something?

Would it not be better to help give to better sanitation, better water, more nutrition, than some effing biners and ropes?
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
as I watch people live HAND TO MOUTH

Then maybe you should focus your efforts on getting these people some damn FOOD, and the knowledge and equipment to grow food and raise animals, instead of begging for climbing gear and bolts.

I'm with the others, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
Real spaniards don't say things like "muy trabajo." (translation: very work)

Climbing is essentially a selfish activity and we need to be reminded what we look like to a person of average income in most places of the world. Sh#t, I won't go to the rock gym in DC since it costs $22 for a day pass and that's a good day's wage in Colombia. I wouldn't assume that no one donates to any charities, though.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
Then maybe you should focus your efforts on getting these people some damn FOOD, and the knowledge and equipment to grow food and raise animals

Elcapinyourazz, dang right.

And I forgot to mention, for the past five years, every Christmas, Jennie and I have, through Bóthar (www.bothar.ie), been donating sheeps, goats, cows... I could pull out the details... to families and communities in Africa. And we are not saints nor angels. Just people who are concerned about others.

Bóthar's aim is to help people - families and communities in Africa and other countries - become self-sufficient.

And the original OP bitches to us about donating climbing gear.

Get a clue OP.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Given Maslow's pyramid and all, if they're interested in climbing, certain physical needs must have already been met. It is, after all, by and large, not a sport for the impoverished.

I'm not saying it's not a good cause, but that your arguments and righteous indignation seem a bit misplaced.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
"Since I have been here there have been maybe 50 foreign climbers from the U.S. and Europe ... and generally showing what RICH ASSHOLES they are as they buy beers after climbing that would pay for a weeks food but don't pay the climbers who helped them..."



To me, that sounds like a GOOD BAR BUSINESS! Instead of complaining, count your goddamn blessings, and learn to work that gold mine.

If they drink beer, they probably eat food, too. Cook them something they like, and take more of their cash.

You have a place that attracts foreigners - and their money - which is a hell of a lot more than most Third World shitholes have going for them.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
jus' paraphrasin' below. Hope it helps clarify the issue.


"BUT THERE ARE ROUTES THAT NEED TO BE BOLTED AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY SO YOU ARE SELFISH BITCHES CAUSE THERE ARE ROUTES WAITING TO BE RAP BOLTED AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY BOLTS TO BOLT THEM AND WE ARE UNABLE TO TOPROPE OR BOULDER YOU RICH SNOBBISH SELFISH SON OF A BITCHES.

Send bolts now, address -The cliffs C/O ...The Phillipines."

Of course many of us are ambivalent to bolted routes and still haven't sorted out the bolted thing. Good luck.

Mountainlion complained in the first post:
"Recently a group of supertopo climbers has made a big difference here in the Philippines! They have donated tons of gear here that has enabled many different people to try climbing for the first time!!

No kidding but this is truly a big deal...many children here grow up without ever actually having a real toy????

Since I have been here I have had the pleasure of distributing loads of climbing gear to people who can't afford even the simplest pleasures of life...I have also donated my own gear to these unfortunate people and have also given to a few extreme injuries for medical care that otherwise would result in a lifelong debilitating injury (and despite my donation still resulted in a child losing his eye).

Since I have been here there have been maybe 50 foreign climbers from the U.S. and Europe who have used the climbing area for 5 pesos (less than a penny). While using the bolts (which need replacing) and generally showing what RICH ASSHOLES they are as they buy beers after climbing that would pay for a weeks food but don't pay the climbers who helped them...what is wrong with our society???

Is it to much to ask for someone who has had climbing change their life to give a little something back??? Most of you have more than you need....yeah no kidding it is easier to see that when you watch children roll a bike tire down the street for fun because they have nothing to play with...

WHO CAN DONATE BOLTS/HANGERS TO HELP THESE PEOPLE????

I know it is alot to ask but please don't give me your self rightous attitude as you live in the bay area and develop YOSEMITE!!!

Reading about people who have enough cash to throw a party in JTREE and still ask for donations to supplement their climbing lifestyle is REPULSIVE as I watch people live HAND TO MOUTH and would SHARE a single beer if they were ever lucky enough to have someone give them ONE!!!"

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
No info for drills. Drifts. Bits.

Types of kind or style or make or model preferred for your area is necessary.

Drilling holes for ten hours a day is your punishment for calling out these rich yet niggardly Americanos.

That'll sweat the beer outta ya. What kinda drogas you using other than San Mig, senor? You sound hung-over.

Always wait five before hitting "send."

You stink, I think.

Go shower and simmer the f*#k down!

...two, one, send. Oh, I can't. No belayer. He's in the bar. Be right back...
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
Mountainlion, hmmm, you make it sound like you are a saint.

Sanctimonious is what I see, but I could be wrong.

I am not at the coalface of the poverty you are witnessing. I have my own problems, as many people do.

However, if you are so fecking concerned about giving people climbing gear, why not give them a proper meal.

You start a thread that is, in my opinion, insulting to a lot of people. So you are looking for gear, why not ask to look for food,, medicines, healthcare. No, you want gear.

That is what I see.

The trouble with the internet and email (which I use) and social media (never have twittered or face booked, and I use lower case for a purpose), is that messages can be misconstrued.

Perhaps I am getting your message wrong. But I think you chose the wrong tact,.

Best wishes in providing gear to Filipino climbers, but according to WHO, the UN and other agencies, the Philippines need more than climbing gear.

Are you for real?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
but this time ya done hit it out of the park

Yeah, but on the wrong side of the foul pole.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
Ron, I do not usually agree with you on some issues, but I think that you have called this one right.

Maybe Mountainlion, just maybe I have gotten your message wrong... but climbing gear for a nation that has to sort through trash dumps for food and other items?

I think Ron may be, I stress may be, correct in smelling... trash.

One does not need a rope to climb through a mountain of trash, wading boots may help. If you are really there, witnessing what you say, don't worry about the climbing gear, worry about the food they need to exist.

That is my take on it. There is poverty in every country of the world, every country, some of course much worse than others (yes, even in Canada and Scandinavia too, and the US as well.)

If you want to help the Filipino people (I lived with a couple for 18 month in London... okay Larry was Tagalog, Nuala was from Belfast, and I worked with Filipinos, and one of my mom's closest friends was from the Philippines). Help them for real.

If you really want to help the people... I do not know what the nutritional value of a cam or a rope is. Do you Mountainlion? Social value of climbing gear? But one cannot climb on an empty stomach. Or severely ill.

Mountainlion, I do not know what your game is, and I cannot speak for other posters, but...
John M

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:42am PT
I'm beginning to think you have a comprehension problem mountainlion. You can't seem to understand that the donations for that party are to help pay for the party. Have you never thrown a bring your own beer party? This isn't much different except the people are shelling out some bucks to make it fun and are asking for donations to help make it fly. They aren't begging. So get off your damn high horse and grow up.

Yes.. people starve all over the world. Should everyone stop having fun because that happens? They are throwing a big party.. Thats all. They aren't starting a new war. They aren't stealing. They aren't raping anyone. They are just throwing a big party and asking for donations to help fund it.

Is it over the top? I have no idea. 10 buck donation for booze, barbecue and music isn't really that much. America spent 8 billion dollars a month on the iraq war and this party bothers you more? good grief.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 27, 2013 - 07:54am PT
Nice try at trying to explain yourself Saint Mountainlion, but... didn't work for me. Try again. And be a bit more humble.

And just to add, I can learn more humility myself. I am trying.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
Has anyone climbed with Mountainlion or does anyone here know his real name from meeting him in person? Not saying he's not genuine, but reading this story and was thinking of him and his question to title this thread: "What is a worthy cause". I figured that getting shoes for shoeless feet would be worthy. Indeed.




http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/give_him_the_boot_FKlhXh3eJx09zq9oQi73HI

"Give him the boot
Posted: March 27, 2013

So it now turns out that Jeffrey Hillman, the barefoot beggar who famously received a free pair of boots from a big-hearted police officer, not only has an apartment but pockets as much as several hundred dollars a day while pretending to be homeless.

Hillman freely admitted as much to a team of Post reporters who followed him home on the subway Sunday — and then watched as he calmly counted a huge wad of bills. Not to mention that he seems to be the Imelda Marcos of the streets, with at least 30 pairs of shoes and boots.



Most New Yorkers will doubtless be disappointed to learn that the inspiring tale of a police officer’s kindness to a man in distress would have such a cynical denouement. Few, however, will be surprised. Even so, there is a moral to this story that is especially timely. The beggar whose charade spurred Officer Larry DePrimo's act of kindness is a fraud.

New York is a generous city, at both the individual and government level. In addition to private charity, those in need can count on a whole raft of services, from shelter to food to rent subsidies and Medicaid. Our guess is that most New Yorkers are more than willing to pay so long as their dollars go to help people truly in distress.

Hillman reminds us how easy it is to exploit generosity. His scam seems to have been directed at passers-by who take pity on a man who goes about Midtown pretending to be barefoot, poor and homeless. His example reminds us why it is important for the city to ensure that its own assistance is not exploited by those who don’t need it.

For in addition to the needy, New York also has a whole class of politicians and activists quick to denounce City Hall as cruel and heartless (and to sue) whenever it takes reasonable measures to weed out the deserving from the undeserving.

When the NYPD’s Larry DePrimo bought those now-famous boots, he represented the best of this city. People such as Jeffrey Hillman remind us that when the greedy take advantage, there’s more cynicism about giving — and less help to go around for those truly in need."


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