Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 1 - 33 of total 33 in this topic
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:33am PT
I still want to send a bunch of gear....where do i send it?
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:46am PT

"don't give me your self rightous attitude as you live in the bay area and develop YOSEMITE!!!
"
...


"Reading about people who have enough cash to throw a party in JTREE and still ask for donations to supplement their climbing lifestyle is REPULSIVE as I watch people live HAND TO MOUTH and would SHARE a single beer if they were ever lucky enough to have someone give them ONE!!!"...



Using the "GUILT CARD" now...

Interesting tactic...

Not so sure it's going to bring the desired results...

But maybe???...
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:56am PT


WOW

begging and insulting at the same time.

Poor form


But good luck with that
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:11am PT
That's not pelut. It's a troll. The real peluts name is un des tants. I would love to help out, but i'm not exactly in a position to do so from the rehab ward. Maybe when i get back on my feet i will be more able to do so. Good luck with your quest.

Mike
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:24am PT
Given all the need for medical care, food and clothing, why be concerned about bolts and climbing gear?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:26am PT
One reason Randisi is that a lot of us have pefectly good gear that we no longer use....nice to find a home for it and help climbers in need.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:26am PT

"Given all the need for medical care, food and clothing, why be concerned about bolts and climbing gear? "...

^^^ BIG TIME BINGO!!!...





EDITED:

Here's another thought when it comes to entertaining the masses...

TOP ROPE...



justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Well, yeah.. the begging and insulting tactic may not be the best approach if you want positive results.

What I would like is some clarification about your post so here it goes...

Advice: You should clarify what country/area you are speaking about and provide contact information and how/where to send donations BTW. If you need bolts you should specify what type/size is preferable for your rock. Post some pics. [edit] Also your name and involvement with the local community; to let people know you aren't just some random dirtbag. You should consider setting up a website for climbing in your area to facilitate donations.

Recently a group of supertopo climbers has made a big difference here in the Philippines! They have donated tons of gear here that has enabled many different people to try climbing for the first time!!

Yay.. Supertopo foreigners good?


Since I have been here I have had the pleasure of distributing loads of climbing gear [+money etc]....

You.. good?


Since I have been here there have been maybe 50 foreign climbers from the U.S. and Europe who have used the climbing area for 5 pesos (less than a penny). While using the bolts (which need replacing) and generally showing what RICH ASSHOLES they are as they buy beers after climbing that would pay for a weeks food but don't pay the climbers who helped them...what is wrong with our society???


a) Are we still talking Phillipines here? (Pesos??.. do they use those in the Phillipines?_)

b) Forigners all bad now???


Is it to much to ask for someone who has had climbing change their life to give a little something back??? Most of you have more than you need....yeah no kidding it is easier to see that when you watch children roll a bike tire down the street for fun because they have nothing to play with...



Er.. no it's not to much to ask.. Perhaps you should set up a donation center to clue people in. People on vacation may not be insensitive.. just clueless.

No.. most of us do not presume to know what a kid presumes as "fun" BTW. When I was a kid nothing made me happier than a cardboard box. I don't believe that a foreigner watcing me play with my box was automatically an insensitive capitalist touron pig-dog.



WHO CAN DONATE BOLTS/HANGERS TO HELP THESE PEOPLE????

Lots of folks if you don't piss them off by labeling them as...
...self rightous... etc


Reading about people who have enough cash to throw a party in JTREE and still ask for donations to supplement their climbing lifestyle is REPULSIVE as


Random and inaccurate accusation. Donations have generally gone to sick and injured folks over the years. Not exactly the type of closer that draws in generous donations BTW.


You may want to work on your bedside manner. This tactic has some drawbacks.



locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:49am PT


^^^ +1





and this is PERFECT!!!...

"When I was a kid nothing made me happier than a cardboard box. I don't believe that a foreigner watcing me play with my box was automatically an insensitive capitalist touron pig-dog."...
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
I don't know what to think about the original poster of this thread.

Okay, some people in the Philippines need gear.

Until our personal financial meltdown, we were giving, every month, by direct debit (€250/month for over four years, you do the maths).

Concern (www.concern.net)
Barnardos (www.barnardos.ie)
VSO (www.vso.ie)
Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children
Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals
Dublin-Wicklow Mountain Rescue
Royal National Lifeboats Institute (RNLI)
Alzheimer's Ireland.

Eight charities. And I have the records to prove it. (Back in November, on the advice of my oldest brother, who knows Jen and I are financially strapped: "Patrick, stop it, charity begins at home".) A lot of charities are suffering with the global economic downturn.

And this sanctimonious person comes on the SuperTopo, complaining about gear to climbers? Lecturing us.

There are people dying out there in the world... no fresh water, no food, disease and illness and this guy is concerned about climbing gear?

Have I been trolled/trawled?


EDIT

I am trying to make ends meet (like many of us) and keep my partner from going into full-time care, and some person starts a f*#king thread about giving gear to climbers in the Philippines. Hello. Have I missed something?

Would it not be better to help give to better sanitation, better water, more nutrition, than some effing biners and ropes?
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
as I watch people live HAND TO MOUTH

Then maybe you should focus your efforts on getting these people some damn FOOD, and the knowledge and equipment to grow food and raise animals, instead of begging for climbing gear and bolts.

I'm with the others, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
Real spaniards don't say things like "muy trabajo." (translation: very work)

Climbing is essentially a selfish activity and we need to be reminded what we look like to a person of average income in most places of the world. Sh#t, I won't go to the rock gym in DC since it costs $22 for a day pass and that's a good day's wage in Colombia. I wouldn't assume that no one donates to any charities, though.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
Then maybe you should focus your efforts on getting these people some damn FOOD, and the knowledge and equipment to grow food and raise animals

Elcapinyourazz, dang right.

And I forgot to mention, for the past five years, every Christmas, Jennie and I have, through Bóthar (www.bothar.ie), been donating sheeps, goats, cows... I could pull out the details... to families and communities in Africa. And we are not saints nor angels. Just people who are concerned about others.

Bóthar's aim is to help people - families and communities in Africa and other countries - become self-sufficient.

And the original OP bitches to us about donating climbing gear.

Get a clue OP.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Given Maslow's pyramid and all, if they're interested in climbing, certain physical needs must have already been met. It is, after all, by and large, not a sport for the impoverished.

I'm not saying it's not a good cause, but that your arguments and righteous indignation seem a bit misplaced.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
"Since I have been here there have been maybe 50 foreign climbers from the U.S. and Europe ... and generally showing what RICH ASSHOLES they are as they buy beers after climbing that would pay for a weeks food but don't pay the climbers who helped them..."



To me, that sounds like a GOOD BAR BUSINESS! Instead of complaining, count your goddamn blessings, and learn to work that gold mine.

If they drink beer, they probably eat food, too. Cook them something they like, and take more of their cash.

You have a place that attracts foreigners - and their money - which is a hell of a lot more than most Third World shitholes have going for them.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Yeah the lack of bolts certainly compare to CANCER or horrible accidents that have plagued the rank and file of the tribe.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
jus' paraphrasin' below. Hope it helps clarify the issue.


"BUT THERE ARE ROUTES THAT NEED TO BE BOLTED AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY SO YOU ARE SELFISH BITCHES CAUSE THERE ARE ROUTES WAITING TO BE RAP BOLTED AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY BOLTS TO BOLT THEM AND WE ARE UNABLE TO TOPROPE OR BOULDER YOU RICH SNOBBISH SELFISH SON OF A BITCHES.

Send bolts now, address -The cliffs C/O ...The Phillipines."

Of course many of us are ambivalent to bolted routes and still haven't sorted out the bolted thing. Good luck.

Mountainlion complained in the first post:
"Recently a group of supertopo climbers has made a big difference here in the Philippines! They have donated tons of gear here that has enabled many different people to try climbing for the first time!!

No kidding but this is truly a big deal...many children here grow up without ever actually having a real toy????

Since I have been here I have had the pleasure of distributing loads of climbing gear to people who can't afford even the simplest pleasures of life...I have also donated my own gear to these unfortunate people and have also given to a few extreme injuries for medical care that otherwise would result in a lifelong debilitating injury (and despite my donation still resulted in a child losing his eye).

Since I have been here there have been maybe 50 foreign climbers from the U.S. and Europe who have used the climbing area for 5 pesos (less than a penny). While using the bolts (which need replacing) and generally showing what RICH ASSHOLES they are as they buy beers after climbing that would pay for a weeks food but don't pay the climbers who helped them...what is wrong with our society???

Is it to much to ask for someone who has had climbing change their life to give a little something back??? Most of you have more than you need....yeah no kidding it is easier to see that when you watch children roll a bike tire down the street for fun because they have nothing to play with...

WHO CAN DONATE BOLTS/HANGERS TO HELP THESE PEOPLE????

I know it is alot to ask but please don't give me your self rightous attitude as you live in the bay area and develop YOSEMITE!!!

Reading about people who have enough cash to throw a party in JTREE and still ask for donations to supplement their climbing lifestyle is REPULSIVE as I watch people live HAND TO MOUTH and would SHARE a single beer if they were ever lucky enough to have someone give them ONE!!!"

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
No info for drills. Drifts. Bits.

Types of kind or style or make or model preferred for your area is necessary.

Drilling holes for ten hours a day is your punishment for calling out these rich yet niggardly Americanos.

That'll sweat the beer outta ya. What kinda drogas you using other than San Mig, senor? You sound hung-over.

Always wait five before hitting "send."

You stink, I think.

Go shower and simmer the f*#k down!

...two, one, send. Oh, I can't. No belayer. He's in the bar. Be right back...
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
Mountainlion, hmmm, you make it sound like you are a saint.

Sanctimonious is what I see, but I could be wrong.

I am not at the coalface of the poverty you are witnessing. I have my own problems, as many people do.

However, if you are so fecking concerned about giving people climbing gear, why not give them a proper meal.

You start a thread that is, in my opinion, insulting to a lot of people. So you are looking for gear, why not ask to look for food,, medicines, healthcare. No, you want gear.

That is what I see.

The trouble with the internet and email (which I use) and social media (never have twittered or face booked, and I use lower case for a purpose), is that messages can be misconstrued.

Perhaps I am getting your message wrong. But I think you chose the wrong tact,.

Best wishes in providing gear to Filipino climbers, but according to WHO, the UN and other agencies, the Philippines need more than climbing gear.

Are you for real?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
Ya know,,, having let this sink in a little,, im gonna call BULLSHEET!

Mtlion, you cam on here a while ago begging for gear , which you got through the goodness of the tribe here. Now you come on with a post that all but calls out that same tribe because they choose to help those who have been delt a crap hand,, things like horrific accidents, mounting medical bills, cancer and the like.
All the while whinning about that same tribe being rich as#@&%es. What i DIDNT see was YOU even attempting to help others of this tribe. Not even a thread bump.


Youve more than proven your nerve here before but this time ya done hit it out of the park.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
but this time ya done hit it out of the park

Yeah, but on the wrong side of the foul pole.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
Ron, I do not usually agree with you on some issues, but I think that you have called this one right.

Maybe Mountainlion, just maybe I have gotten your message wrong... but climbing gear for a nation that has to sort through trash dumps for food and other items?

I think Ron may be, I stress may be, correct in smelling... trash.

One does not need a rope to climb through a mountain of trash, wading boots may help. If you are really there, witnessing what you say, don't worry about the climbing gear, worry about the food they need to exist.

That is my take on it. There is poverty in every country of the world, every country, some of course much worse than others (yes, even in Canada and Scandinavia too, and the US as well.)

If you want to help the Filipino people (I lived with a couple for 18 month in London... okay Larry was Tagalog, Nuala was from Belfast, and I worked with Filipinos, and one of my mom's closest friends was from the Philippines). Help them for real.

If you really want to help the people... I do not know what the nutritional value of a cam or a rope is. Do you Mountainlion? Social value of climbing gear? But one cannot climb on an empty stomach. Or severely ill.

Mountainlion, I do not know what your game is, and I cannot speak for other posters, but...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
"what is a worthy cause" by Mountainlion



Never mind Blitzos cancer, Johns shattered leg or Big Mikes recovery,, just send bolts so i can impress the local villagers.

If you dont ill call you as#@&%es..


THE END....



locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:40pm PT


...

John M

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:42am PT
I'm beginning to think you have a comprehension problem mountainlion. You can't seem to understand that the donations for that party are to help pay for the party. Have you never thrown a bring your own beer party? This isn't much different except the people are shelling out some bucks to make it fun and are asking for donations to help make it fly. They aren't begging. So get off your damn high horse and grow up.

Yes.. people starve all over the world. Should everyone stop having fun because that happens? They are throwing a big party.. Thats all. They aren't starting a new war. They aren't stealing. They aren't raping anyone. They are just throwing a big party and asking for donations to help fund it.

Is it over the top? I have no idea. 10 buck donation for booze, barbecue and music isn't really that much. America spent 8 billion dollars a month on the iraq war and this party bothers you more? good grief.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 27, 2013 - 07:54am PT
Nice try at trying to explain yourself Saint Mountainlion, but... didn't work for me. Try again. And be a bit more humble.

And just to add, I can learn more humility myself. I am trying.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
Has anyone climbed with Mountainlion or does anyone here know his real name from meeting him in person? Not saying he's not genuine, but reading this story and was thinking of him and his question to title this thread: "What is a worthy cause". I figured that getting shoes for shoeless feet would be worthy. Indeed.




http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/give_him_the_boot_FKlhXh3eJx09zq9oQi73HI

"Give him the boot
Posted: March 27, 2013

So it now turns out that Jeffrey Hillman, the barefoot beggar who famously received a free pair of boots from a big-hearted police officer, not only has an apartment but pockets as much as several hundred dollars a day while pretending to be homeless.

Hillman freely admitted as much to a team of Post reporters who followed him home on the subway Sunday — and then watched as he calmly counted a huge wad of bills. Not to mention that he seems to be the Imelda Marcos of the streets, with at least 30 pairs of shoes and boots.



Most New Yorkers will doubtless be disappointed to learn that the inspiring tale of a police officer’s kindness to a man in distress would have such a cynical denouement. Few, however, will be surprised. Even so, there is a moral to this story that is especially timely. The beggar whose charade spurred Officer Larry DePrimo's act of kindness is a fraud.

New York is a generous city, at both the individual and government level. In addition to private charity, those in need can count on a whole raft of services, from shelter to food to rent subsidies and Medicaid. Our guess is that most New Yorkers are more than willing to pay so long as their dollars go to help people truly in distress.

Hillman reminds us how easy it is to exploit generosity. His scam seems to have been directed at passers-by who take pity on a man who goes about Midtown pretending to be barefoot, poor and homeless. His example reminds us why it is important for the city to ensure that its own assistance is not exploited by those who don’t need it.

For in addition to the needy, New York also has a whole class of politicians and activists quick to denounce City Hall as cruel and heartless (and to sue) whenever it takes reasonable measures to weed out the deserving from the undeserving.

When the NYPD’s Larry DePrimo bought those now-famous boots, he represented the best of this city. People such as Jeffrey Hillman remind us that when the greedy take advantage, there’s more cynicism about giving — and less help to go around for those truly in need."


Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 27, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
Couchmaster, right on.

Here is another one that mountainlion may want to ponder on...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21955740

Madagascar hit by 'severe' plague of locusts

"Nearly 60% of the island's more than 22 million people could be threatened by a significant worsening of hunger”


And we should be worried about climbing gear?

Oh yeah, mountainlion, I am a RICH ASSHOLE. Please tell me, where are my riches, because I could certainly use those riches..

I still have a roof over my head and food in the cupboard, and trying to keep Jennie from full-time care, but I am facing eviction. And I am sure that the Filipinos you care so much about have less than I do...

... and you want bolts, hangers and climbing gear.

Call me stupid, but I don't get it.

Are you for real? Or just a rich self-righteous troll?



EDIT

Gian, below. Great post. I only edit in this post because it looks like the thread has been taken down, after I tried to post a thanks to you for informing us. I'd imagine, and I could be wrong, that Mountainlion nuked the thread (so, how come I can still edit this post?)
Gian

Sport climber
Lapu Lapu City, Cebu, Philippines
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
I can't take it anymore! Mountainlion, you almost destroyed my credibility as a blogger/adventurer but I'm not going to let you embarrass our citizens as Cebuanos/Filipinos.

I watch people live HAND TO MOUTH

people who can't afford even the simplest pleasures of life

Food, clothing, shelter, medical care, toys etc are in need here in the Philippines

Mountainlion, will you please stop making it seem as if we are poorer than we actually are? It is damned embarrassing and TOTALLY WRONG! What you're seeing there are slums of Talisay, which is in close proximity to your place. Maybe you've seen beggars and destitutes, who are actually in any other place in the world.

For once, go around the Cebu island and check out other places there; you will see lots of people living comfortably. Can't you see innumerable citizens shopping in malls, enjoying high-class resorts, going island hopping, buying things, etc.?

Besides, poverty is relative. What you perceive as "poor" may be actually be average. What you may see as "hand to mouth" may actually be people who love simple dishes, who are on a diet, or who have small appetites. You yourself eat just bananas and peanuts on the crag; we eat a whole lunch of rice, chicken or pork, and vegetables. Does that make you poor in our (Filipinos) eyes considering that you're just eating what we consider as snacks instead of a full-blown lunch? Of course, not.

And what gives you the right to judge people that they don't have the "simple pleasures in life?" Having food on the table, having fun with friends, bonding with families, caring for a pet, going to the beach, etc. may be simple pleasures in life for them but NOT for you. Again, "simple" is relative. You grew up in the US, so your standards of simple living may not be the same here. Don't judge us according to YOUR standards. Can you see people here, regardless of financial capability, HAPPY and SMILING? Even the kids on the streets?

it is easier to see that when you watch children roll a bike tire down the street for fun because they have nothing to play with

many children here grow up without ever actually having a real toy????

What's a real toy for you? Plastic gizmos? Remote control cars? Again, it's relative. Children here love to use cardboard boxes, tires, pieces of wood, etc. because 1) they have fun making their own toys, 2) they use their imagination, 3) they provide them mental and physical exercise. Hell, when me and my friends were young, we even played with hollow papaya stalks as blowguns, converted thin bamboo into "guns" that fire wet newspaper pellets, and put together newspaper and sticks made into kites. And we had a lot of fun, in fact, lots more fun compared to rich kids who have expensive toys. Go to any home in the Philippines, and you'll see lots of discarded "commercial" toys. What remains are toys that are made through imagination and creativity.

Since I have been here there have been maybe 50 foreign climbers from the U.S. and Europe who have used the climbing area for 5 pesos (less than a penny). While using the bolts (which need replacing) and generally showing what RICH ASSHOLES they are as they buy beers after climbing that would pay for a weeks food but don't pay the climbers who helped them

Please don't make any assumption that they're not paying. You haven't seen behind the scenes. For your info, they do not pay the guides IF they bring their own equipment. If not, or if they need a climbing partner, they do pay the guides...but they don't do it at the crag. They do it where no one will see them (e.g. after the climb at the guide's house, before the climb at the guide's house, a local eatery, etc.) In our culture, unless it's a normal commercial transaction, we don't pay a "private" transaction in front of other people's eyes because we consider it embarrassing. Yes, that might sound strange to you, but it is our CULTURE!

It's funny that you should mention foreigners not paying. You, a foreigner, climb the crag and ask the guides to belay you. And YOU don't pay them! You just go home directly after you have your fill of climbing. No, the Php5 don't count; that's the fee to use the crag, not the guide payment. But did they accost you for not paying for their services? No, because you have your own equipment; they're just CONSIDERATE enough to let you go without paying their services because I told them to give you a break.

And you don't see foreigners inviting the guides for a beer or a night of drinking because you go home directly after your climb at the cliff. Stay for a while after we freshen up, and you'd see these same foreigners DEMANDING that the guides go with them for a drink or for a night of fun. Have you ever wondered why the local guides are sometimes giddy in the weekend?

Most of the crag has been developed by foriegners who donated the bolts to climb themselves

Get your facts straight before you post something like this because it generates misconceptions. While there are indeed foreigners who donated bolts, a large number of the bolts, huecos, rap rings, etc. are donated/bought/invested upon by Cebuano and Manila climbers who were able to go abroad and buy these things. It was a collaborative effort that ranged for 8 years.

many different people to try climbing for the first time

Yes, but do MOST of these first-time people take up the sport so that they look forward to have it as a lifelong sport, a pastime or a hobby? Nope, only a small percentage of it. You donated the climbing gear to guides and regular climbers who lacked equipment, not "people who tried climbing for the first time."

I have also looked into having bolts made here to make this cheaper for me to accomplish.

Aha! And you once gave me unsolicited advice about safety! Eat your own words. The reason why we are eyeing to buy quality bolts and not tailor our own is precisely because of safety! And you're disregarding the first rule of any extreme sport...which you advised me...unsolicited, unwanted, and insulting.

About the topic itself:

Yes, we do need bolts and hangers to equip a new route in Campo Siete. But don't ask for donations of such things using the excuse of poverty. It's very degrading, pathetic, and embarrassing. Remember that for most people, these are luxuries, not necessities.

The real reasons why we are asking for donations is that 1) we don't have any shops in Cebu that sells climbing hangers and bolts, 2) we want to expand the climbing areas in Cebu, 3) we want to develop tourism in the area, and 4) we want to provide the local guides extra income.

There's no need to use your perception of poverty about us to gain the sentiments of other people. Hell, if there was an establishment here that sells hangers and bolts, I'm sure a horde of climbers will definitely purchase bulk orders of such items. Unfortunately, there's none, so that's why donations are needed.

Finally, don't use the guilt card and insult your targeted sponsors. That's like having a coffee business and insulting your customers so that they'll buy coffee from you (I don't know how that will work). I am in the same project and I don't hide the fact that we need donations. But I did my plea in a more humble, truthful way, which is posted in Facebook and a few other websites:

Hi friends! As part of our effort to make Cebu a world-class rock climbing destination, we are planning to bolt a nice cliff somewhere in Camp 7 (along Manipis Road in the midlands of Cebu) for sport climbing. However, bolting a route is quite a complicted matter in this part of the world, particularly because 1) it is expensive and 2) there are no suppliers of hangers and bolts here.

If you would like to help us in this endeavor (and it's a noble purpose indeed for the sake of tourism and promotion of our beloved island), you can donate expansion bolts and hangers. 10 such bolts and hangers and 2 rappel hangers are needed to establish a single route. And as far as we know, the cliff can accommodate around 40 to 60 routes.

Check this link for information about climbing hangers and bolts. Photos of bolts, hangers, and rappel hangers (anchors at the top of the route) can be seen at the right side of the page.

http://www.mec.ca/AST/ContentPrimary/Learn/Climbing/Hardware/BoltsAndAnchors.jsp

In return for your generosity, we will name the bolted routes after you (or you can provide us any word, term, phrase, or name that you want).

Our coaches have specific parameters in mind. So please send me a PM so I can give you the specs of what we need. Thank you.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
+100 Gian! It might be better to start your own thread, i'm sure you would recieve a better reaction.
Gian

Sport climber
Lapu Lapu City, Cebu, Philippines
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
It might be better to start your own thread, i'm sure you would recieve a better reaction.

That's okay, Big Mike. I just want to explain to Mountainlion that what he's doing is definitely wrong and actually goes below the belt. In fact, my girlfriend and I severed ties of friendship with him because we can't handle his behavior and attitude.

Good luck on your recovery, man. How are you?

Captain...or Skully

climber
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
Some folks just get carried away at times, Gian...we see it here all the time. Cheers to you & yours.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
Wow, totally thought this was a troll until I went back into his post history.


Man... whatever drugs you are on... I've got to get my hands on it.

Some wild sh!t grows in the jungle....
Messages 1 - 33 of total 33 in this topic
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Trip Report and Articles
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews