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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 4, 2010 - 03:39pm PT
This is getting nasty lately. The military in Mexico has stepped up (finally) and started to target the more heavily armed Zeta gangs and others.

Trust me when I tell you it's nasty...I'll post links. Some are NOT cool for the faint of heart. I'll give warnings before those links.

And before everyone starts saying, "just legalize pot, man!", it goes way deeper than that. Think of drugs as just one aspect of their business. The ARE the South American mafia, quite literally.

Here's the map I made;
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=114947445023944268408.00048d147095f50172cbc&ll=25.443275,-105.512695&spn=16.736854,28.256836&t=h&z=5
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Sep 4, 2010 - 03:43pm PT
Actually, the Mexican police have been stepping up their action for some time now, some with the help of the US military. This is one crazy-ass war, that is for sure.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 03:50pm PT
k-man, the police can't handle it. Just yesterday a car bomb detonated at a police station killing a commander and maiming 30 others. The military needs to be involved (and they are now).

Everyday a police commander is executed by these rats. I haven't heard of US Mil participation other than Nat'l Guard on 'observation' missions at the border.

I do know that multiple Predator drones will be deployed (unarmed) for surveillance. There are one or two up right now.

Bottom line? The Mexican military needs to confront these jokers. The bad boys are highly trained para-military with good firepower. Right now the do as they please. But the Mex Mil is stepping up. That's good.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 03:59pm PT
DO NOT click on this link if you have a weak stomach!!!!! This is a scene analysis of a gun battle. These guys are HEAVILY armed.

http://publicintelligence.net/nuevo-laredo-mexican-drug-cartel-gun-battle-extreme-carnage-overview/

and more analysis, no graphic scenes;

http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=304684&D=2010-09-02&SO=&HC=1



This could turn into a Pakistan type ordeal where the Mex Gov't unoffically gives us permission to arm drones and target these bastards. They should IMO.

Mexico is in chaos and cannot defend it's citizens or LEO. They need help!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 04:16pm PT
Funny, AC, they were running BP enlistment ads on right wing radio...I considered it.

They were also running free chopper-pilot training if signed on to the company who would hire you. All the Viet-Nam era guys are retiring and they need pilots.

I was leaning towards BP, but the location was a deterrant. And I was never a fan of military-style 'boot-camps'. I could prolly suck it up and do it, but it ain't for me. I'll stick to manufacturing. If they re-state a shortage of good rednecks, I may reconsider.

What do you think of the recent violence by the Zetas down there?

Today's violence;
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=304811&D=2010-09-04&SO=&HC=1

Only 2 commanders shot dead....
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 04:25pm PT
Well see, this is part of the problem. Every time a BP agent fires his weapon, HE is investigated as an aggressor. Everyone knows people coming across the border illegally are the aggressors.

They don't necessarily need to all be shot, but I think the BP should have a bit more faith from the DOJ and authorities as to why they fired a weapon.

F*#king bullshit ROE again.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
AC, I don't think you understand the types that are crossing our border other than the ones 'doing the work Americans won't do".

These are bad guyz. You almost need special ops guys down there to dominate their skills. They have .50 sniper rifles, man! That's about a mile accuracy if you relatively trained on it.

You need to fight fire with fire, bro. Put some SEALS down there, maybe 2 teams. Seek and destroy mission.

The Zetas are tough guys. Think of them as mercenaries. Let's quit f*#king around and just do them!

This too;
Terrorists across the border?
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=299408&D=2010-06-22&SO=&HC=2
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Sep 4, 2010 - 04:40pm PT
Yeah, the narcos (as the Mexican locals call 'em) don't seem to have a problem with beheading the Chief of Police, or anybody else who appears to have a chance to cross them. The local papers don't report on the happenings any more because they shoot up everybody at the paper if any type of account comes out--even if it's just to say shots were fired.

When I was down at EPC in March, there were 15 beheadings in Acapulco in a week, police captians, judges, laywers, etc. The whole deal with dissolving bodies, it's rowdy.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 4, 2010 - 04:42pm PT
Yes, "lets". Good to know you "thought about" joining the BP, I'm sure those actually patrolling are in awe of your "almost, sorta kinda, thought about it", heroism and patriotism.

Yet another armchair warrior, screaming into the void between bouts of wiping away the Cheetos crumbs.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 04:49pm PT
Will, f*#k you! I have other duties in OUR system. I was never meant for LEO, even though i respect those dudes.

Why is it guys like you reject that? I support LEO but that's not my place in society. I'm a producer and manufacturer. Is that hard on you????

I perpetuate production of gear. i support our guys though.....
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 04:54pm PT
It's always amazing how you rule out people....
dirtbag

climber
Sep 4, 2010 - 05:05pm PT
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 4, 2010 - 05:06pm PT
second from right, has to be Locker?
Juan Maderita

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Sep 4, 2010 - 05:08pm PT
The ARE the South American mafia, quite literally.
Last I knew, Mexico was in North America! (flame)
Gringos are so ethnocentric that they don't even know where the USA is on a world map! I'd bet that you think you are an American, and that citizens of Mexico are not Americans. There is a proper Spanish word for citizens of the USA - "estadounidense" ("estadounidenses" plural). Yanquis are so ethnocentric that there isn't even a word for it. One would have to use the phrase, "Citizen of the United States of America" to be accurate.
(end of rant)

The latest numbers being commonly quoted on the Mexican "drug war" are 26,000 killed, since late 2006 when President Calderón stepped it up. Today I read 28,000. Those stats are no doubt highly inaccurate and used for political purposes. Nevertheless, that is an astonishing toll. That's almost half way to the 58,000 estadounindenses killed in Vietnam.
pc

climber
Sep 4, 2010 - 05:54pm PT
If you smoke dope or consume other illegal drugs, you're part of the problem. Take personal responsibility.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 4, 2010 - 05:55pm PT
Drop in the bucket compared to Vietnamese losses JM.




pc--- Buy domestic!
pc

climber
Sep 4, 2010 - 05:58pm PT
Ron, I certainly support local growers. Just not "that" type of grower.
cheers,
pc
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
Sep 4, 2010 - 06:19pm PT
The only way to stop the drug cartels is to remove the monetary support. The only way to do that is to legalize everything and have our gov't sell it cheaper than the cartels could. In order to keep people from being stoned immaculate in public is to set up "stone zones" across the country where you can go and get wasted without worry of doing damage to others. Sort of like dizzyland for deadheads (actually, that was the beauty of dead concerts...).

I propose we use one of the channel islands right off our coast, the black rock desert, an island in Puget Sound, etc as these areas, make people sign liability waivers, and let concessions set up to sell whatever is needed to conduct the pursuit of happiness.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 08:14pm PT
Last I knew, Mexico was in North America! (flame)
Gringos are so ethnocentric that they don't even know where the USA is on a world map! I'd bet that you think you are an American, and that citizens of Mexico are not Americans. There is a proper Spanish word for citizens of the USA - "estadounidense" ("estadounidenses" plural). Yanquis are so ethnocentric that there isn't even a word for it. One would have to use the phrase, "Citizen of the United States of America" to be accurate.
(end of rant)

The latest numbers being commonly quoted on the Mexican "drug war" are 26,000 killed, since late 2006 when President Calderón stepped it up. Today I read 28,000. Those stats are no doubt highly inaccurate and used for political purposes. Nevertheless, that is an astonishing toll. That's almost half way to the 58,000 estadounindenses killed in Vietnam.

Do you have point??? WTF are you saying?

And skepty's solution is legalize everything? Do you really think that'll work? They still grow and produce the coke there. By legalizing it you do what??? Just make more junkies?

Do you idiots think of consequences???? Or do you just want to have fun unrelenting, with no regard???

Fools.

Juan Maderita

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Sep 4, 2010 - 08:32pm PT
Do you have point??? WTF are you saying?
Yes bluering, I have a point. Sarcasm is wasted on the people who can't understand that Mexico is in North America, not South America.
Mexico is part of N-O-R-T-H America.
So, Mexican narcotraficantes are not "South American mafia." Clear enough?

Btw, sorry for the attitude. I should be climbing this holiday weekend. Or surfing. Anything but sitting here overlooking the fog on the beach :(
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