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Levy
Big Wall climber
So Cal
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 28, 2010 - 01:43pm PT
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I was discussing the vagueness of ratings with some friends recently & we were noting the wide degree of variation of routes rated 5.10a.
Some are relatively easy & some are really hard for the grade.
I'll start out with some examples of routes rated 5.10a that I would consider stout for the grade.
Moby Dick Center ~ tough, finger wrenching moves off the ground
Lost Arrow chimney ~ full value slithering & grunting I hear but I have not done it yet.
Crack of Doom ~ I also have not done this but I think it is also rugged
The Spell ~ Needles - a beautiful crack that has lots of wide moves.
Hoodwink ~ The roof seems much harder than 5.10a & the slab moves on the final pitch are quite thin for a 5.10a rating.
Chin Strap Crack ~ Tahquitz another wide flare that is hard to protect.
Post up your selections, I know there are many more than what I have mentioned here.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:45pm PT
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Doggie Do!
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Gary Carpenter
climber
SF Bay Area
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:58pm PT
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Reed's Left
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Aug 28, 2010 - 02:01pm PT
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N Buttress of Middle
I'll second the crux of doggie do.
I can think of several 9's harder than both of those.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 28, 2010 - 03:20pm PT
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i think possibly the last (slab) pitch of hoodwink, at least that sounds plausible enough, that bit seemed really inobvious to me, while i thought the roof was fine, and moby dick center/ sacherer cracker always seemed fine to me (onsighted sacherer cracker as i think my 3rd crack climb).
i can remember many more routes that seemed light for 10a than hard for 10a, even in Yosemite.
copper penny (at five and dime) is not easy, i think that's 10a...
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 28, 2010 - 03:26pm PT
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Tell me that you haven't done Aunt Fanny's Panties skeezer P-dude!?!
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bjj
climber
beyond the sun
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Aug 28, 2010 - 03:34pm PT
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There's a couple of slabs at J-Tree, none of which I can remember (as they were fairly obscure) that really gave me a hard time. One of them was over by (I think) super roof. I was with a group of friends and volunteered to take the lead. The route was ok at first, a bit grainy but not too bad.
Then it got more grainy, more runout and on top of that was baking in the sun. I went a good 15 feet past bolt #3 and meandered left, totally off route. Friends lounging on the big flat rock below were shooting the sh#t, eating lunch and probably smoking a joint - totally unaware that I was completely gripped and unable to move in any direction.
Finally I had to yell down and sheepishly request someone run up to the top and lower me a rescue rope. I just wasn't in the mood to take a 25 foot sideways slab scraping ride.
I took a lot of sh#t for that, even after the top rope was up and everyone got to see what I was faced with.
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Aug 28, 2010 - 03:53pm PT
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Any 5.9+ in New Hampshire ;)
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franky
Trad climber
Ford Pickup Truck, North America
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Aug 28, 2010 - 03:59pm PT
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i agree on doggie do, that thing is hard, I didn't think the start of moby dick center was that bad, maybe just because it was short though.
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martygarrison
Trad climber
The Great North these days......
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Aug 28, 2010 - 05:01pm PT
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maybe crack of doom. also the dnb was rated 10a when I did it and it sure felt a little sketchy for the grade.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Aug 28, 2010 - 05:03pm PT
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The start of Moby is really dependent on finger size. It is not 10a for thicker fingers.
It probably gets downgraded being right off the deck, but I never understood that line of thinking. Oh, the move is so close the ground that you have to immediately fiddle with gear and/or taking a chance of decking, so we are going to call what otherwise would be a 10c a 10a...
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allapah
climber
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Aug 28, 2010 - 05:10pm PT
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Crack of Doom for sure
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nutjob
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Aug 28, 2010 - 05:15pm PT
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August, I'm with you on that opening jam of Moby Center being ridiculously thin and painful, but many folks probably side-step it to the left and the rest of the route is much easier.
My vote (from a relatively small sample size):
Left side of the Cookie
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Aug 28, 2010 - 06:28pm PT
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Although I haven't done it yet, I'm going to go with
Jump Back Jack Crack (5.10a), Granite Mountain, AZ
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 28, 2010 - 06:39pm PT
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Beer Pressure next to Jump for Joy on Ranger Rock.
A .10a I backed off of...don't usually do that.
Static Cling next to Kaukulator was also stout for the grade.
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Friend
climber
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Aug 28, 2010 - 07:23pm PT
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The Spell is 5.10 per the guide, which seems about right. I remember thinking, no way I could fall out of here, so why do feel like I"m going to puke? Same with Midterm. I guess chimneys are not my strength.
The first two pitches of New Dimensions are 10a.... both felt desperate to me.
Also, New Diversions. Pretty rad.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 28, 2010 - 07:34pm PT
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The first pitch of New D has always been 5.10b or harder.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Aug 28, 2010 - 07:50pm PT
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Second pitch of Aviary Ort. At least it's right up there.....
5.9+
Harder than A LOT of 10a's I've done!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Aug 28, 2010 - 07:50pm PT
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Horn's mother at it's original 10+ rating. Now it's a sand baggy .11a
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slabbo
Trad climber
fort garland, colo
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Aug 28, 2010 - 07:58pm PT
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I'll second the vote for You Asked For It- at least you don't need to carry much gear.
Trundle is right though- any NH 9+
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