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Butoou
Sport climber
Malibu
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It's gone
Hope the whole area doesn't go the same way as Williamson
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dirtbag
climber
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bump--let's get the spammer off page 1
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Butoou
Sport climber
Malibu
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interesting perspective Medusa
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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From what I've heard, local climbers should thank the NPS Rangers for their appropriately measured response.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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they should also apologize to the climbing community for almost getting Echo closed.
apologize for participating in the shredding of all of the "canyon live forever succulent" from the wall.
link below is the first part: it's incomplete because the MisterE nuked his own thread. but he got pissed at me for calling him out of the Grotto in an email and also i told him to go past easy street because, "their is lots of good sh#t over there"!!
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1000142&tn=0&mr=0
"you know who you are"!
RM
edit: i met Gentle Ben Chapman 09'
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Butoou
Sport climber
Malibu
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Well Said KSolem
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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SCMA has employees...?
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Butoou
Sport climber
Malibu
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I think the point was that these routes should not have been set in the first place. Seems like some people (some) set routes just to spray about it later on the ST and the motives questionable. There's lots of good quality climbing at Echo with much variety, no need to go crazy in the grotto. I also heard through several voices that the route setters were pulling plants out of the rocks and leaving them to die at the base.No wonder the rangers were unhappy.
Weld It-yes part of the Grotto is shut down officially-and I have to say I don't disagree with the Rangers
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Manjusri
climber
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Anyone know what the endangered plant being discussed is?
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MisterE
Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
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We were told by two other people that have established multiple routes recently in the same area (in fact, on either side of our route) that we merely cleaned the route before them, and it has been clearly established that if we hadn't established this route, they would have.
Funny how only OUR route is an issue? Why are the other routes not an issue?
Just asking questions since we are being singled out as "The Bad Guys"
Erik and Skip
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Your mass scrubbing of the moss on this choss, the destruction of plant life and the sawing off of tree limbs has moved the NPS to erase your climbs, Mystic River and Bunnyman.
What you did to the place is down right ugly and serves no, zero, purpose to climbers.
Get your info right, Medusa - we didn't put up Mystic River, the other ones did
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Butoou
Sport climber
Malibu
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And now to quote the route setter of the Bunneymen in a topic posted by him earlier this year:
"It’s all frickin’ ego – if you let that go, it all becomes for the community. Skip and I are proud of our new route, Bunnymen, at Echo. It was a fun line to put up with the woman I love, and a benefit to the community at large. It’s been made to seem less; to seem like stealing, too short to warrant attention, passed-up as-crappy, and a squeeze-job. It is none of those".
And..Mr. E did you ever think that the community is more concerned about the environment at large?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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To clarify further misinformation being generated by some hateful, self-righteous, mis-informed individuals.... regarding this single route... the ONLY route we ever put up at Echo BTW.
Absolutley no "wallflowers" were growing on or removed from this route and if there had been any they would have been transplanted.
As for the other 10 or so other routes that that have been recently established by people other than us... I cannot say and do not condone.
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Butoou
Sport climber
Malibu
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to quote Justthemaid on earlier discussions about the route:
I'll add- good advice Guy. The plants we cleared were scrubby and probably wouldn't transplant, but those white succulent things most certainly would. I'll take it home or transplant if we ever clean one.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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I've never cleaned one of those wallflowers.
Edit to add: I grew up very close to Echo. I do not want it shut down. We had no intention of ever bolting another route there... and after this debacle with the rangers... I hope the others will cease and desist as well.
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Butoou
Sport climber
Malibu
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MisterE why don't you just admit you made a mistake..say sorry and move on..
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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We have moved on...a LONG time ago... It seems that YOU are the one fixating.
We are sorry this happened. We are NOT solely responsible though.
As for Bunnymen... c'est la vie.
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Butoou
Sport climber
Malibu
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you are not the entire problem, however you are part of the problem..
Consider your environment
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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this story is all finished!
No attacks needed to be involved just more of a warning because Rangers do patrol. Be nice to the outdoors MisterE , Skip and Ben Chapman.
your outragous bolting is going to get the park closed.
Bolting ended for echo ten years ago! leave her alone. it was hard for the rangers to get over Balance rock!
see you out there! and climb hard Bro!
peace!
RM
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