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How To Big Wall Climb: Gear 1 - Essential Aid Climbing Gear

Wednesday August 21, 2013 1:12am
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Ammon McNeely making the first move on a 23+ hour single push ascent o...
Ammon McNeely making the first move on a 23+ hour single push ascent of Rodeo Queen. The Camp 4's have nice reinforcement where the aider meets the shoe.
Credit: Chris McNamara

Chris Mac Pick
I add (Chris Mac Pick) after any gear that is currently my favorite. Click here to see what is currently on my El Capitan rack.


Basic Aid Gear
Two basic principles of good aid gear:
• Use the best gear you can get. The right gear is essential. But buying brand new all at once would cost $5000. Don’t be discouraged. Borrow gear and improvise where possible until you fill out your rack with the best gear you can get. I was lucky that my aid mentor, Mark Melvin, basically let me borrow his haulbag, portaldege, and rack for my first season in Yosemite. See Dirtbag Options below for ways to improvise and the Do-It-Yourself Big Wall Thread.

• Use the lightest and simplest gear. I use the lightest gear possible as long as it does not compromise safety or functionality. Aid racks are heavy. If you compare the difference between a standard rack and a rack that uses lightweight biners and slings, the difference can be more than five pounds. Psychologically, I feel much better standing on marginal aid placements with a lighter rack. And when it comes time to free climb the Stovelegs and Pancake Flake on The Nose—5.9 can feel like 5.11 if you have a really heavy rack.

My exceptions to using the lightest gear possible: ropes, cams, Aiders, and harness. I will describe why later.

Warning: While I encourage using whatever you can latch onto at first, never use worn out gear, especially such critical equipment as a harness, daisy chain or rope. Todd Skinner's death on the Leaning Tower reminded us all of how important it is to check your harness carefully and retire it if there is any question about its safety.

If you are new to wall climbing and want a definition of the gear, go here.

Aiders
This is an short excerpt from our Aider Buying Advice article at OutdoorGearLab. Check out the complete Big Wall Aider Review to see how various aiders compare to each other.

There are three common types of Aiders:

AID LADDER
This is my favorite type of Aider for more aid-intensive walls like Zodiac, The Prow or The Shield, for three reasons:
1) They are much less prone to twists and "going inside out" than standard Aiders.
2) You don’t have to orient the Aider step to the correct side when you are stepping into it.
3) Because the steps are closer together at the top, you can often rest two feet in the Aider at the same time. Make sure there is a plastic spreader bar at the top of Aider. The downside of aid ladders is that they are a little heavier than standard Aiders and generally have more material, which means they are more likely to get stuck in the crack—which really sucks when moving from aid to free.

Examples:
 Yates Big Wall Ladder (Chris Mac Pick) — These are my favorite Aiders for big walls that are C2/A2 or harder. I have used these a lot after Ammon McNeely showed them to me, then gave me a pair (thanks Ammon!). I like them a lot and when teaching people to aid climb they seem the easiest to use. I have only used the six-step length but really tall people or people doing really hard aid might consider the seven-step length.
 Metolius 8 Step Ladder Aider — Good solid and light ladder Aider. It's easy to get your feet in the steps because of the Urethane coating on the steps. Their lack of plastic spreader bar (like the Yates has) makes it harder to get your feet in the top steps.
 Fish Ladder Aider. I have not used them but they look great. The webbing is thinner on the steps (I think one-inch instead of two-inch like the Yates.) So they are probably a little less comfortable but also less likely to get stuck in cracks).

STANDARD AIDERS AKA ETRIERS
This is the most common type of Aider. I prefer these on walls with lots of free climbing (The Nose, Lurking Fear) over aid ladders because they are lighter and less bulky when you clip them to the side of your harness and free climb. The downside is they get twisted, the steps get turned inside out, and you always have to orient them properly (left foot into a step oriented left of center). That means more dealing and declustering time, which adds up over the course of a wall and disrupts the “aid climbing flow.” Make sure there is a grab loop at the top. I prefer models where the top and second step have sub-steps. The webbing should be at least one inch wide and have some type of reinforcement on the bottom of each step.

Examples:
  Petzl Wall Step Etrier (Chris Mac Pick) — This is currently my favorite Aider for a route like The Nose because it is lightweight but has reinforced steps that are relatively comfortable. I cut off the bottom step, but you might keep it if you are either really tall or planning to do some hard aid. The downside is there is no top sub-step.

 Fish Smart Aider — I used these for my first dozen or so walls. Great solid Aider and much cheaper than the others.

 Metolius 5 Step Aider — I used these for a lot of big wall ascents. The vinyl-reinforced steps definitely make them more comfortable and keep the steps open and easy to slide your foot into. The sub-steps on the second and top step are awesome for top-stepping.


LIGHTWEIGHT AIDERS AKA ALPINE AIDERS
These are best for mostly free routes where you occasionally need to use Aiders. Very light weight but uncomfortable if you are standing for more than a few minutes. Bad choice for learning to aid climb.

 Petzl GradiStep Etrier — These are great super-lightweight Aiders because they fold up in their own bag. Great for mostly free routes with just a few sections of aid, like the Northwest Face of Half Dome. I have used them on one-day Nose ascents but would probably use something a little beefier on my next one-day ascent. Great on alpine climbs where there might be just a little aid.

OTHER AIDERS
 Russian Aiders. Tried them, but never really got the hang of them. A few people swear by them but I have never met anyone who climbs quickly that uses them. The few people that swear by them usually are doing hard aid.
 Metolius Easy Aider — Not great for leading. Good for following until you have to clean a horizontal traverse. If you bring them for following, it means you will probably end up managing multiple sets of Aiders. That goes against what I believe is the key to having fun and succeeding at walls: keeping the systems as simple as possible. There is a similar version of this Aider made by Yates called the Yates Speed Stirrup.

Daisy Chains
This is an excerpt from our Daisy Chain Buying Advice article. Check out our complete Daisy Chain Review to see how various Aiders compare to each other.


There are two types of daisy chains: adjustable and regular. I have always used regular daisy chains and most aid climbers prefer them. All daisy chains I have seen work; the most important thing is to get the length right. You don’t want the daisy chain to come tight before you get to your maximum reach. (photo showing the proper reach for a daisy chain).

When shopping in the store, put one end at belt level and hold the other end as high as you can above your head with fingers outstretched. There should be to four to eight inches of extra daisy beyond your fingers. If between sizes, err on the size of being too long. If shopping online, then raise your hand, measure from your waist to the tip of your fingers, and add a few inches. I am 5' 10" and like daisy chains that are 55" long. A little shorter is okay but too much shorter and I come up short on big reaches. If you go too much longer, you have more daisy to tangle.

The point on the daisy chain that wears out first is the point that you clip to the biner that you then clip to the Aider and the piece you are standing on. If you aid climb a lot, buy a daisy chain that has this critical point reinforced like the Metolius Monster Daisy Chain (Chris Mac Pick).

I always buy Dyneema or Dynex daisy chains because they are lighter than regular nylon daisy chains. However, the nylon stretches more than Dyneema and therefore will be more forgiving during a short daisy fall. How much more forgiving? I'll leave that to the physics geeks to calculate. I feel it is not a big enough difference to sway me away from the Dyneema.

More about adjustable daisy chains: I find that most of the adjustable daisy chains do not have very smooth one-handed extension. The one that does extend nicely is the Metolius Easy Daisy. However, they are for bodyweight use only and I have heard that they have broken during small falls. Even if Metolius fixed that issue I still find that overall the regular daisy chains are faster and require less management. With adjustable daisy chains you have to keep them untwisted or they don't slide as well. If you are just going to be jugging a wall and not leading, I might go with adjustable. But otherwise, go regular.

Ascenders
The only widely available models are the Black Diamond nforce Ascender and the Petzl Ascension Ascender. I have used the old Petzl Ascender a lot and like it a lot. The movement up the rope is not as smooth as the original Jumar but it is light and overall it works great. There is now a new version of this Ascender that has a different teeth design that Petzl says is easier on the rope. Read our review of the Petzl Ascension Ascender (Chris Mac Pick) to see what we thought of the changes. Overall, both the Petzl and BD Ascenders work but the Petzl is lighter and has a smoother glide up the rope and for passing pieces, so it gets my vote. They both retail for about $70 per Ascender ($140 for the pair).

Read my complete Best Big Wall Ascender Review to see how the top Ascenders stack up against each other. We also have an Ascender buying advice article

Belay Device
An autolocking belay device like the Petzl GriGri 2 or Trango Cinch is mandatory on a wall. There are times when you need to take your brake hand off the device to clear a rope snag or dig into the haul bag. Also, it is often hard to stay perfectly alert during a multi-hour belay. I have used the GriGri a lot and love it, especially because it is also a great belay device at the crags as well. However, I prefer the Cinch on big walls for one reason: it automatically slides up the rope when you are jugging up whereas the GriGri does not unless there is a ton of weight on the rope and everything is aligned just right. This means that between backup knots, you have a nice extra backup with the Cinch.

Read my complete Best Belay Device Review to see how the top belay devices compare. Also, check out our article How To Choose a Belay Device

Carabiners
I only climb with lightweight wire gate biners. With a big rack and hundreds of biners, using lightweight biners saves pounds of weight. My current favorite is the CAMP Nano 23 (Chris Mac Pick) because it is the lightest carabiner out there. However, many wall climbers want something a little bigger and easier to handle, in which case I would recommend the Black Diamond Oz or Wild Country Astro. If you are absolutely on a tight budget, it's hard to go wrong with the Mad Rock Ultra-Light Straight.

There are two phrases you will never hear on a wall:
 This haul bag is just too light.
 I have too many biners

Bring more biners than you think. Then bring some more.

Oval biners like the Black Diamond Oval were the old aid climbing standby mainly because they don’t make the scary “biner shift” noise. But oval biners are heavy and are the weakest biners out there. I don’t use them. FYI: the "biner shift" noise occurs when three biners are clipped to each other and the load changes between biners. A biner can then shift position and make a noise eerily similar to a piece pulling out. If you are using the simple systems in this book, biner shift won't happen much and is not a big deal when it does. If you are going to use an oval biner, I would go with something lighter than the standard oval, like the Black Diamond Oval Wire or Omega Pacific Doval.

We have a complete climbing carabiner review.

Locking Carabiners
I like to have four to eight locking carabiners. Again, light ones are best such as the Petzl Attache 3D (Chris Mac Pick). I also bring a few larger locking carabiners for attaching the haul bag to the haul line and for using as the master point at the belay. A good big locking carabiner like the Black Diamond Rocklock is also good to have. The best deal for a light big wall locking carabiner is the Mad Rock Super Tech Keylock Screw

Read my complete Best Locking Carabiner Review to see how the top locking carabiners compare. We also have a Locking Carabiner Buying Advice article

Quickdraws
I prefer four to six-inch Spectra draws with lightweight biners. I currently use the Black Diamond Oz Quickdraw (Chris Mac Pick), which is awesome. So light. But there are many other great light quickdraws, like the CAMP Nano 23 Quickdraw and the Wild Country Astro Quickdraw. The best deal on quickdraws at this writing is the Mad Rock UltraLight Quickdraw.

Climbing Slings and Runners
Just like carabiners, it is hard to bring too many slings. I bring 15 lightweight shoulder-length slings on a wall. The Spectra ones are the best because they are so light, like the Mammut Contact Dyneema (Chris Mac Pick). However, I also bring 2-5 non-sewn nylon slings so that I can leave one behind at a pendulum point or just have something more versatile.

Read our complete Best Climbing Sling Review to see how the top climbing slings compare.

Helmets
It is especially important to wear a helmet on a wall for two reasons: 1) If you get a bad head injury on a wall, rescue will be many hours away. 2) When bounce testing, pieces will pull and hit you squarely in the head.

Most helmets made by major manufacturers work. I use the lightest I can find with the requirement it must allow me to attach a Headlamp-Review-Review-Review-Review-Review for night climbing. Two helmets I have used and like are the Petzl Elios and Petzl Meteor III (Chris Mac Pick). I take the Meteor on one-day ascents and the Elios on ascents that take more than a day. But there are a lot of great helmets out there. Read our complete Best Climbing Helmet Review to see how the top helmets compare.

TIP: To avoid bad farmer’s tan and skin cancer, [image] wear a bandana under the helmet so it covers your neck and ears. Or, for maximum ventilation, duct tape the bandana to the back of your helmet.

Fifi Hook
There are a few different manufacturers of fifi hooks. The important thing is the length of the half-inch webbing that connects the fifi hook to your harness. The length is usually shorter that you think—usually about six inches or just long enough to be able to girth hitch to your harness. If the fifi hook comes with pre-sewn webbing like Black Diamond Fifi Hook (Chris Mac Pick), you may need to cut off the webbing and tie on your own in order to get the right length.

Big Wall Harness
Get a harness with decent padding that is well padded at the waist and leg loops. Because I don’t like heavy gear, I don’t wear the super-beefy wall harnesses like the Yates Shield Harness but a lot of people love ‘em. Make sure there are two beefy gear loops on each side. Before you commit to a beefy harness for a mostly-free route like The Nose, make sure you are willing to sacrifice the extra weight for comfort.

If I am going to spend multiple days on a wall, I will wear a "medium beefy" big harness like the Metolius Safe Tech Waldo (Chris Mac Pick).

Most of the time, especially on a one-day ascent, I just wear a trad climbing harness because they are light. My three favorites right now are Arc'teryx R320 or the Black Diamond Momentum Harness or the Petzl Sama Harness.

We have a complete big wall harness review and an article How To Choose A Big Wall Harness.

Gloves
I used to only use sturdy leather gloves like the Metolius Climbing Glove. They are beefy and probably the best option for serious nailing routes. However, they really only protect your palms. After days on a wall your fingers will be sore and black from handling biners and the rope. Then when you eat finger foods with those black fingers… You get the idea. I’m now a fan of bringing two pairs of gloves. I bring the Black Diamond Stove Glove (Chris Mac Pick) for leading aid pitches. I bring a full-finger Mountain Bike Glove for cleaning. The Mountain Bike Gloves protect your entire hand, have great dexterity, and you can do easy free moves with them on. The downside is they are a little expensive considering they won’t last for a lot of walls. If I am going to do a wall with lots of burly hauling, instead of the Mountain Bike Glove I bring Wells Lamont Leather Work Glove or a pair of construction gloves if there are some lying around.

Read our complete Best Climbing Glove Review to see how the top gloves compare.

Wall Shoes
Walking up and down in Aiders maybe the single most destructive activity to a pair of shoes. “What shoes to bring on a wall?” is still a question I grapple with on every climb. I have listed all the different types of footwear with their pros and cons below. I usually use climbing approach shoes but at the peak of my wall climbing activity I would buy a cheap pair of hiking boots and cover the seams in Shoe Goo or Seam Grip. Even if you buy a pair of climbing-specific approach shoes, it may still make sense to cover them in Seam Grip. Some climbers go as far as putting two tubes on each shoe! This will likely result in the fabric blowing out long before the stitching does... which is what you want to happen.

As for shoe fit, I err on the side of wearing my wall shoes a little tight. That way they perform better when doing free moves. But bear in mind that tight shoes will hurt a little more on the descent.

Climbing approach shoes like the Five Ten Camp Four (Chris Mac Pick).
Pros:
• Great for moving from aid to free climbing.
• Generally low profile, so they move in and out of Aiders efficiently.
• What I usually use on The Nose.
Cons:
• Expensive.
• Will only last for a handful of wall climbs before blowing out—sometimes only for one wall.
• Painful for long A3-A5 leads.

Regular hiking boots like Scarpa Zen.
Pros:
• Reasonable support and durability.
• Can be pretty cheap (not the Zen but other styles of hiking boots).
Cons:
• Not as precise for doing the occasional free move.
• Cheap versions can blow apart fast.

Heavy duty hiking boots like these.
Pros:
• Most durable option.
• Comfortable for long A3-A5 leads.
• Good for edging if fit tightly.
Cons:
• Generally pretty expensive.
• Can be clunky when you move around in Aiders.
• Bad for smearing.

TIP: If you really want your boots to last as long as possible and don’t care if they’re ugly, liberally apply Shoe Goo or an equivalent product to the seams most likely to blow out (mainly the area around the toe).

Big Wall Free Climbing Shoes
For free climbing on a big wall, I bring shoes that are one size too big. Big shoes reduce performance a little but make the shoes way more comfortable—a worthy tradeoff. Wearing thin socks makes them more comfortable, especially when you have to haul. When climbing The Nose in a day I will wear a comfy pair of free shoes all day long. If climbing The Nose over multiple days I will wear free shoes on all of my leads but switch into approach shoes when cleaning. I prefer Velcro shoes so that I can take them off at the belays. That sais, lately I have been using the La Sportiva TC Pro (Chris Mac Pick) because they are comfortable and edge very well. Unfortunately, they cost $170. If you are on a budget, just about any free shoe will work. But in general, go with a stiff sole.

Lead Rope
You want a 10.2 to 10.5mm rope with a perfectly intact sheath. Anything smaller diameter will wear through too quickly and be scary to jumar on. The 11mm ropes add an extra feeling of security but are really heavy. I like a 60m rope. A 50m rope is too short these days and won’t allow you to link pitches as easily. In general, a 70m rope is overkill and means you will have 30 extra feet of rope to manage at the belay on every pitch—which can lead to more rope clusters. Right now the Maxim Glider is our top recommended big wall rope and the Maxim Equinox is our Best Buy recommendation. Check out the how to buy a climbing rope at OutdoorGearLab

TIP: Always carry climbing tape on a wall. There is nothing worse than being halfway up an aid route and noticing a tiny bit of white core poking through the sheath of your rope. It’s a personal call as to when a rope is so damaged that you should not lead on it and need to bail. In most cases, if the core is not damaged, I will wrap the damaged spot in athletic tape and mainly use the “better half of the rope” the rest of the climb (this means switching ends of the rope every time you switch leaders).


DIRTBAG OPTIONS
When you start aid climbing you can improvise just about everything you need off a regular free climbing rack.

Aiders: Intertwine two shoulder-length slings or buy some one-inch webbing and improvise an Aider like they used to do in the olden days (show image)
Helmet: Hard hat or bike helmet from thrift store (NOT as safe as climbing helmet but better than nothing).
Fifi hook: Biner or quickdraw.
Harness: Regular free climbing harness.
Shoes: Old pair of running shoes or hiking boots.
Haul Bag: check out this Do-It-Yourself Big Wall Thread for more inspiration

If you get serious about aid climbing, you will want to buy the more specific aid climbing gear mentioned above.

Pants
The ideal pants are synthetic, have reinforced knees and are loose enough that you can roll them up to the below the knee if you get too hot. I never wear shorts on a wall. My favorite is the Patagonia Simple Guide Pant - Men's.

Knee Pads
I don’t use them because they get in the way and make you sweat behind the knees. But a lot of aid climbers, especially beginners, seem to like ‘em. On The Nose or any free climbing wall they really get in the way when free climbing. If you are going to use them I would use the lightest and most low profile ones you can find like these knee pads. One problem with more beefy knee pads like these is that they can get snagged in the Aiders.


See what is currently on my El Capitan rack.

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Chris McNamara
About the Author
Climbing Magazine once computed that three percent of Chris McNamara’s life on Earth had been spent on the face of El Capitan—an accomplishment that left friends and family pondering Chris’s sanity. He has climbed El Capitan more than 70 times and holds nine big wall speed climbing records. In 1998 Chris did the first Girdle Traverse of El Capitan, an epic 75-pitch route that begs the question, “Why?”

Outside Magazine called Chris one of “the world’s finest aid climbers.” He is the winner of the 1999 Bates Award from the American Alpine Club and founder of the American Safe Climbing Association, a nonprofit group that has replaced over 5000 dangerous anchor bolts. He is a graduate of UC Berkeley and serves on the board of the ASCA and the Rowell Legacy Committee. He has a rarely updated adventure journal, maintains BASEjumpingmovies.com, and also runs a Lake Tahoe home rental business.

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Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
  Jun 6, 2009 - 09:17pm PT
"make sure you are will to sacrifice the extra weight for comfort...."

s/b willing

(harness section)
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
  Jun 6, 2009 - 09:58pm PT
Some quick notes:

What about tie-off loops? Will you be discussing nesting and stacking later?

Sometimes you use a possessive when you are conjugating: wears versus wear’s

Maybe more on ascenders, especially considering how detailed you are on aiders.


More detailed discussion about hooks, maybe some history, strategy, taping them on.

(I notice you leave out heads, chisels, and punches)

Are you going to leave out pitons altogether or deal with them later?

Do you want to mention bashies? Any historical stuff? Wood? wedges? some of the freaky old stuff?

Hauling devices needs more detail (later on?)

Poop tubes discussion I assume comes in an other chapter?

More strategy (later on?) dealing with pin scars?

Try to get into this more....

GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
  Jun 6, 2009 - 10:51pm PT
A few times you mention what doesn't work and back it up with personal experience, which I really like because it adds a human element to the book a la Crofts 'Good, Great, Awesome.' However, sometimes it seems a little much. Realize that we are mere mortals and probably will place more than 5 nuts on The Nose, haha!
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Author's Reply  Jun 6, 2009 - 11:13pm PT
thanks for the suggestions - keep em coming!

yeah, i dont say much about ascenders because so far i really only have experience with the petzl and the yellow Jumars. all the ascenders i have seen out there work. but it seems like just about everyone prefers the petzl ones these days. ill add more to that later

poop tube will be a part of the bivy chapter. great discussion on them here http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=65324

pitons, nailing etc wont be in the book. maybe ill do a future book on that. but before i do that, i want to really drive home how much you DONT need pitons these days. even routes thought of as big "nail ups" like Sea of Dreams or Zenyatta Mondatta can be done 90%+ clean if you have an arsenal of cam hooks, offset cams, nuts, rps, hooks, etc (and a lot of fixed heads in place)
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
  Jun 6, 2009 - 11:13pm PT
Pointy hook?
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
  Jun 7, 2009 - 12:35am PT
Here are some more thoughts Christo,

Wires versus slinging.

Hardware slings: which, strategies. Rack plans on a route.

The way haul bags work or don't work and best ways to organize their internal composition. Their evolution briefly. (as in how awful they used to be!!)

Strategies in hauling, methods of descending (like simul), decisionmaking with weather, portaledge approaches.

The overarching principle that as many things as possible have multiple uses

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
  Jun 7, 2009 - 12:55am PT
Careful Peter.
Chris will have you base jumping with your bivy gear,..
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
  Jun 7, 2009 - 01:14am PT
I like that you list Handi Wipes twice....you really can't have too many.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
  Jun 7, 2009 - 01:18am PT
Piton, I know, I am always riding the wild surf aren't I. But Ron, have you basejumped yet? It looks so incredibly cool. Like maybe a person would just stop climbing altogether and do that. How would you ever resort to climbing after that experience?

Kind of like it was always amazing to me that Galen Rowell actually did get so much climbing in even after he got his Chevy Nomad so tricked out it had 12 forwards gears and something like 450 horsepower and could beat Sacherer to the Valley. And he had Corvettes similarly festooned as backups.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
  Jun 7, 2009 - 01:26am PT
"I make my cordalette by taking a 20-foot piece of 5.5 mil or 7 mil
spectra cord and the tie a figure eight at each end"

Should be obvious, but perhaps more precise:

"I make my cordalette by taking a 20-foot piece of 5.5 mil or 7 mil
spectra cord and the tie a figure eight on a bight at each end"

(added "on a bight")

GraemeK

Big Wall climber
Ontario
  Jun 7, 2009 - 09:54am PT
Chris,

Very helpful for us new aid climbers. Unfortunately having a lack of experience I can't add anything that you may have missed, but what you have written makes perfect sense! Keep up the good work!
Prod

Trad climber
  Jun 7, 2009 - 11:51am PT
Chris,

Are you writing a book and previewing it here, or are you putting together an ebook? Just curious.

The stuf on youtube is very helpful, wish I'd of had that when I was figuring out the systems.

Prod.
Kupandamingi

Trad climber
Nairobi, Kenya
  Jun 7, 2009 - 12:31pm PT
It may be true that most aid climbers prefer regular daisy chains, but I would guess that most beginning/occasional aid climbers prefer adjustable daises just for the security (real or imagined) it provides. I've used both, know adjustables slow me down, but still prefer them. Some tips on their use (and abuse) would be useful. For example, I used to tighten/release on every step up, but now try and force myself to just keep stepping up until high enough above (2nd step?) to bring it taught. Anyway, my point would be that many new to aid will use/prefer adjustables such that it might make sense to have a section on their efficient use. If not written by you, perhaps by someone who has refined their use.
Haggis

Trad climber
Scotland
  Jun 7, 2009 - 12:56pm PT
I didnt like the comment about the bike helmet as a cheap option for the real deal. as you said you are going to take some knocks and scrapes you should really have the right bit of head gear.

but hey .... i like my head
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
  Jun 7, 2009 - 02:15pm PT
I think a short discussion of static versus dynamic haul rope is in order.

Most people have a semi-retired rope (free) they can use to haul. If the lead line gets damaged, a dynamic haul line can take over. If you are leading and fall, if the lead line should get cut over an edge, a dynamic haul line clipped into a full strength loop can save your life with hardly a scratch, where a static line might kill you.

Food for thought

peace

Karl
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Author's Reply  Jun 7, 2009 - 11:29pm PT
Thank you for the feedback. I am now realizing that I should have put more info into this article before posting it... so i am doing that over the next day. Please keep posting more suggestions if you have them
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
  Jun 8, 2009 - 12:21am PT
Karl is hugely right just above here. And to carry it further, there really is a lot of worthwhile discussion to bring up about ropes, sizes, lengths, ratings, UIAA and so forth.

Listen Chris, your book ( I presume that is what you are toiling with here) has to have enough pages to print so it doesn't look like a slim little Hallmark card from mom, so fill all the subjects up, make it rich! I know one of your natural tendencies--- and it is a good one for sure--- is to Keep it Simple Make It Fun (KISMIF) but there are quite a few issues that wall climbers should be fluent with to be safe and progress. I don't know if you have to go to the extent that Jared does however.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
  Jun 8, 2009 - 02:01am PT
Chris,

Does it make sense generally to talk about older gear types that aren't available new anymore? e.g. I have clog ascenders, and if some poor sap picks these up used on ebay, it might be nice to know the pro or con to older gear types. Invariably some folks will buy older gear types used.

I don't know. Just something to think about I suppose.

M
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
  Jun 9, 2009 - 12:37pm PT
Chris,

Looks good.

You could mention that a ski boot inner sole inside a pair of approach shoes like, five tennies makes a really nice wall shoe. You have the advantage of the sticky rubber with loads more foot support for longer/harder leeds...

Regarding hauling, I wouldn't rule out using a dynamic line. Maybe list the pros and cons... I've switched to only using dynamic and I know several other people have too.

Cheers

john




Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Author's Reply  Jun 10, 2009 - 01:10am PT
i just updated this and made a new chapter here http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=877792&tn=0#msg877792

thanx for all the feedback! as soon as i get my rough drafts posted i will go through all this and update.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
  Jun 10, 2009 - 03:50am PT
bump climbing content
nyssens

Trad climber
Belgium
  Jul 13, 2009 - 04:59am PT
Hi,

Just to add 2 tips for skin recover and pain, a must to complete your first-aid big wall stuff:

I'm used with PROPOLIS (natural antibiotic resin produced by the bees) since young for a lot of troubles. You can apply it externally and internally as well.
The most versatile fashion is the alcohol solution (30% propolis). You can drop some drops over the skin damaged.
It's absolutely fantastic, it acts during night as skin regenerator and cleans-up all dirt stuff inside, avoiding immediately any complication.
I'm also used to drop in my tongue directly some drops. It prevents any potential colds, just by reinforcing your immune system.
It does not present any side-effect provided you don't develop allergies for bees.
It can be easily found at organic food stores. I've heard it's been in the center of recent researches against cancer also.

For more info about propolis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propolis

I know the climb-on products are made with beeswax among others. I've never seen propolis in their products.


Another nice tip (and natural) for pains in general (the hands at the end of a hard crack climbing !) is ARNICA gel. It's powerful.
Just avoid to put arnica directly in contact with blood. What I do is: after cleaning the skin with a handi wipe, I put some drops of propolis, breath over to accelerate the evaporation.
At this moment, a thin layer of resin covers the skin damaged. Then you can apply the arnica gel over.

Another interesting topic to develop would be the BIG WALL FOOD.
Dried food is lighter than cans but you still need a wall stove. There's not much wall sotves, the most popular is the jetboil or a MSR Pocket Rocket, home adapted version:

MSR Pocket Rocket, home adapted version


Nice topic,

Cheers and climb always !!

Eric
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
  Dec 16, 2009 - 09:22pm PT
Looking to get into clean aid climbing.
Just bought a Talon and two Peckers on sale at REI.
Questions: how to sling/tie off the Talon or other hooks. Looks to me as if the Peckers could be used as clean placements. Is this so?
Pate

Trad climber
  Dec 16, 2009 - 09:28pm PT
there is a whole thread on that gear somewhere in here.
Captain...or Skully

climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
  Dec 16, 2009 - 09:29pm PT
Take a tie off. Tie an overhand knot in it.
Pass the loop through the hook, from back to front.
Ta-da!!!
Peckers CAN be used "hammerless". Cheers!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
  Dec 17, 2009 - 01:20pm PT
Cap'n
Thanks for the note.
That's what I had figured but wanted to hear someone with experience confirm that the knot won't pull through the hole. Or if there was a better, less obvious way.

Chris
It's occurred to my aid-noob brain that there's a lot to be said for experimentation and innovative use of "tools" in aid climbing, particularly of the clean variety. Perhaps a short section on that.
Great work in progress.

Oh and one more vote for not suggesting a bike helmet. Possibly a ski helmet, especially for cold weather. Any one tried this?
bubble boy

Big Wall climber
Mammoth, CA
  May 21, 2010 - 11:37pm PT
Once again, Chris, lots of thorough information that will no doubt be increadibly uselful to many people. An issue I think should be noted is problem solving. People are always asking me all kinds of details about how I self belay when soloing walls, and I tend to tell them - "Use a gri-gri, get up there, and figure it out..." because if they can't figure out the basics, they have no biz trying to solo el cap in the first place - what happens on pitch 20 when something goes wrong?

I only read the first couple sctions, but I think it would be a good idea to somewhere have an "assessing and developing one's own wall-problem-solving ability" chapter/page/paragraph at some point. Unless, of course, this is all about providing YOSAR with work.

Thanks,
Zak
Magic Ed

Trad climber
Nuevo Leon, Mexico
  Nov 3, 2010 - 05:44pm PT
Daisy chains--I really like the Metolius PAS better than the old-style daisy.

Fi-fi hook--An adjustable fifi hook is a great improvement over the old fixed length and will make aid climbing much more enjoyable.
Wesley Martins

Trad climber
Vinhedo,SP,Brasil
  Nov 7, 2010 - 12:43pm PT
Why you didn´t mention the Metolius FS Mini on CARABINERS section ?

BR,
Wes
mikeo

Ice climber
Colorado city, Colorado
  Jun 12, 2011 - 10:12am PT
Hi Chris, Very nice website and info in general. Nice work
I see alot of responses that begin with ....what about these gadgets....or you forgot these .....
One of the best part of wall climbing for me was the adventure of finding out for yourself about gear and its proper use so I'm glad theres no over kill on the "heres how they work deal". There are so many gadgets to help aid climbers today but after 40 years of wall climbing around the world....the one area I see lacking in a large amount of wall climber today is the lack of true piton craft. I understand the problem rock degredation etc, but I see some needless banged up placements were the destruction may have been reduced if that particular climber knew a bit more about proper useage of the hardwear.
I guess my suggestion is if pitons are included in future lists, maybe some guidlines and examples on proper useage could be helpful for both the climber and the enviroment. Nice work though Chris I enjoy you efforts
LuckyJack

Trad climber
Novato, CA
  Apr 13, 2012 - 05:32pm PT
Will you talk a little about efficient gear racking technique? My partner and I rack differently and need to streamline. Our belay changeovers can be painfully slow.
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