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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 11, 2009 - 07:36am PT
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Lynne, I see your point of view, I was there for some of it too, but it smacks of the cult of celebrity.
Down through the decades, mountaineering has seen some important times and movements and people. The 1970s were no different in that sense. Not in Yosemite or anywhere.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 11, 2009 - 01:27pm PT
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Objective Journalism, there, Patrick?
I dunno, my feeling is the book is about a time and place much more than it is about individuals, though you'd have to read it to see that. My impression was that it did, for the mid seventies California scene much that the Book Climb! did for Colorado. I was part of both scenes.
It put me back there, to what those times felt like. I suspect that it would have done that for you too had you not copped the perfunctory 'tude.
Guess we'll (you'll) never know, now.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 11, 2009 - 01:35pm PT
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Hey Jay, I don't know, I admit that. But my point is that there is a cult of celebrity around these guys when we all, in our own ways, contributed to climbing. I have the money and time to bring a certain climber to Ireland to have him present his contribution to climbing, but I find his arrogance a bit off-putting. So no lectures or slideshows. And I have retired from work this week so maybe I will get more climbing in.
For example, on Mount Diablo, that piece of sh#t sandstone where you and I both cut our teeth, Claude Fiddler and I, and perhaps you and others, pushed the limits on that rock and freed some aid routes that other 'pioneers' pushed.
Or in Columbia College, in the Arboretum, I was the one that pushed and did the problem, whatever it is called nowadays, and there is a name to it because one the Yosemite boys came and did it first, bullsh#t, I did as far as I know (ask Claude or David Yerian), and my knowledge is pretty good. That said, climbing should be about joy, not 'firsts'.
Am I being arrogant like the 'climber' I mentioned earlier in this post. I hope not. But my point is that many of us on this forum have contributed to climbing. BTW, I am a shite climber (5.11 at best) but a great belayer, with the one exception.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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Oct 11, 2009 - 01:53pm PT
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The Stonemasters Book exceeded my expectations in many ways and captured a time and the individuals who were really at the forefront of a sea change in free climbing. There are always a few climbers that are not only emblematic of their generation, but are able to move the sport in a new direction and who have a huge influence on the rest of us. And there are those enchanted beings who bless the climbing world and become the stuff of lore.
No one can deny that the free climbing revolution of the 70s and early 80s reverberated throughout the World. Climbers like Bachar were hugely influential, and for good reason. And it is more than fitting that legendary figures like Yabo and Tobin have some of their exploits and personalities recorded for posteriety.
This is our own history -- not everyone's. Just as the stories of the Golden Age era climbers like Robbins, Chouinard, Frost, Pratt, Kamps, etc have been coming forth -- and are a vital part of our history and who we are as climbers -- so too the Stonemasters and the era and universal striving it/they represented is not only worthy of such a work, but essential.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 11, 2009 - 02:33pm PT
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By the way, I am in no way trying to dismiss the work of a lot of great climbers in the Valley or elsewhere. For example, I remember the freeing of The Folly, The Good Book, (Kevin/Warbler, weren't you on that one), with the rockfall and such, watching you guys was impressive, and inspiring.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 11, 2009 - 02:35pm PT
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You may be on to something Patrick; us regular guys are always gonna be regular guys, but I think that's an issue separate from the book. Maybe it's own thread. I like the shadows better....
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 11, 2009 - 02:48pm PT
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The Shadows, a good name for a climb, but you know, only The Shadow knows.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Oct 11, 2009 - 05:27pm PT
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Yo sully, thanks for my vote !!!&&&777
You never know what's going on behind the scenes or in a person's life, or in the person......jess sayin'. Know all those Dudes are good. If I can help in anyway email me. Peace, lynnie
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 11, 2009 - 05:55pm PT
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That's the beauty of the shadow!
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Oct 11, 2009 - 08:40pm PT
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John;
I received my second copy of The StoneMasters book this week book #004. I just wanted to say what a nice job you and Dean did on this project. I’m a third generation Lithographer, and the printing and finish on this publication is as good as I have ever seen. Happy to help Tyrus. Hope they sell out!
Bruce.
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Oct 11, 2009 - 09:58pm PT
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Just a note. For Us, The StoneMasters book is about a bunch of So Cal boys that went to No Cal and changed the Rock Climbing World For ever! Only the names of Salathe, Harding, Frost, Robbins and Chouinard loom larger as a group, In the vertical world of stone.
Bruce
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Oct 11, 2009 - 10:52pm PT
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Really good book! Congrats on getting it done guys! Finally a pictorial and written record for that special time and the players in the game. Superb!
C'mon Patrick.... you over there drinking sour grapes or something?
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Oct 12, 2009 - 03:52pm PT
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Largo/ Bullwinkle,
Thanks for putting your book together, it's great! But John did you take the juice?
Cheers, Gobee
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Oct 13, 2009 - 12:53am PT
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Jaybro wrote; You may be on to something Patrick; us regular guys are always gonna be regular guys, but I think that's an issue separate from the book. Maybe it's own thread. I like the shadows better....
Jay leading Paisano (12.C)
More like legends both of you!
Dogtown.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Idaho, also. Sorta, kinda mostly, Yeah.
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Oct 13, 2009 - 01:00am PT
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The Really Cool thing is that we can count the Greats as our friends......
I REALLY dig that.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 13, 2009 - 01:01am PT
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Cryptic words from an alleged shadowdweller who has climbed Paisano, cheers, Dawg!
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Oct 13, 2009 - 01:16am PT
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Not to mention The Owl Roof and the FA of Lucille. Oh and one only needs to look in ANY Yosemite Guide book to see how many times Patrick’s name is listed. Just a couple of regular dudes.
I’m laughing so hard. Think I pissed.
Dogtown.
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Binks
Social climber
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Oct 15, 2009 - 05:11pm PT
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It's a really great book. Reminds me of Dogtown and Z boys. But the Stonemasters were much more hardcore and in tune than those skaters IMO.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 15, 2009 - 05:18pm PT
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Yikes, stay away and you get outed. noted my sponsers; Misty mtn threadworks, and Merry pigglettes (? of jackson, wyo.) Also note that, I think the Dog told me, he'd climbed Paisano, as well.
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