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WandaFuca
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From the gettin place
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Apr 28, 2010 - 08:18am PT
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^^^^^^
So what?
I can quote from the Brothers Grimm or Aesop, they have as much authority.
"The bible is the word of god because the bible tells me so", isn't very convincing for some of us.
But at least your quotes are getting shorter.
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MH2
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Apr 28, 2010 - 07:29pm PT
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Have yall killed god yet? Just looking for a Progress Report....
In the human record of posing good questions and looking for answers no one has found a smoking gun that implies any kind of god.
There is a lot of other stuff in the human record, though.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 14, 2010 - 06:15pm PT
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An inspiring movie for the spiritually inclined:
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go-B
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May 16, 2010 - 10:41am PT
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Stop the monkey buisness...
Psalm 106:19-21, They made a calf in Horeb
and worshiped a metal image.
20 They exchanged the glory of God
for the image of an ox that eats grass.
21 They forgot God, their Savior
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go-B
climber
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May 18, 2010 - 10:06pm PT
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Genesis 1:1
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 18, 2010 - 10:38pm PT
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In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
That was just on the first six days. On the seventh he took a break, goofing off and throwing rocks at Baffin Island and Patagonia.
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Fig's Lady
Social climber
Bishop, CA
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Aug 18, 2010 - 02:23am PT
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Hmmmm.....Anthroposophy anyone?????
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 28, 2010 - 04:04am PT
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bumpity bump bump
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Excerpted from George William Hunter, A Civic Biology: Presented in Problems (New York, 1914): pp. 193-196, 253-254, 261-263.
Evolution of Man. - Undoubtedly there once lived upon the earth races of men who were much lower in their mental organization than the present inhabitants. If we follow the early history of man upon the earth, we find that at first he must have been little better than one of the lower animals. He was a nomad, wandering from place to place, feeding upon whatever living things he could kill with his hands. Gradually he must have learned to use weapons, and thus kill his prey, first using rough stone implements for this purpose. As man became more civilized, implements of bronze and of iron were used. About this time the subjugation and domestication of animals began to take place. Man then began to cultivate the fields, and to have a fixed place of abode other than a cave. The beginnings of civilization were long ago, but even to-day the earth is not entirely civilized.
The Races of Man. - At the present time there exist upon the earth five races or varieties of man, each very different from the other in instincts, social customs, and, to an extent, in structure. These are the Ethiopian or negro type, originating in Africa; the Malay or brown race, from the islands of the Pacific; the American Indian; the Mongolian or yellow race, including the natives of China, Japan, and the Eskimos; and finally, the highest race type of all, the Caucasians, represented by the civilized white inhabitants of Europe and America�.
Charles Darwin and Natural Selection. - The great Englishman Charles Darwin was one of the first scientists to realize how this great force of heredity applied to the development or evolution of plants and animals. He knew that although animals and plants were like their ancestors, they also tended to vary. In nature, the variations which best fitted a plant or animal for life in its own environment were the ones which were handed down because those having variations which were not fitted for life in that particular environment would die. Thus nature seized upon favorable variations and after a time, as the descendants of each of these individuals also tended to vary, a new species of plant or animal, fitted for the place it had to live in, would be gradually evolved�.
Artificial Selection. - Darwin reasoned that if nature seized upon favorable variants, then man by selecting the variants he wanted could form new varieties of plants or animals much more quickly than nature. And so to-day plant or animal breeders select the forms having the characters they wish to perpetuate and breed them together. This method used by plant and animal breeders is known as selection�.
Improvement of Man. - If the stock of domesticated animals can be improved, it is not unfair to ask if the health and vigor of the future generations of men and women on the earth might be improved by applying to them the laws of selection. This improvement of the future race has a number of factors in which as individuals may play a part. These are personal hygiene, selection of healthy mates, and the betterment of the environment�.
Eugenics. - When people marry there are certain things that the individual as well as the race should demand. The most important of these is freedom from germ diseases which might be handed down to the offspring. Tuberculosis, syphilis, that dread disease which cripples and kills hundreds of thousands of innocent children, epilepsy, and feeble-mindedness are handicaps which it is not only unfair but criminal to hand down to posterity. The science of being well born is called eugenics.
The Jukes. - Studies have been made on a number of different families in this country, in which mental and moral defects were present in one or both of the original parents. The "Jukes" family is a notorious example. The first mother is known as "Margaret, the mother of criminals." In seventy-five years the progeny of the original generation has cost the state of New York over a million and a quarter dollars, besides giving over to the care of prisons and asylums considerably over a hundred feeble-minded, alcoholic, immoral, or criminal persons. Another case recently studied is the "Kallikak" family. This family has been traced back to the War of the Revolution, when a young soldier named Martin Kallikak seduced a feeble-minded girl. She had a feeble-minded son from whom there have been to the present time 480 descendants. Of these 33 were sexually immoral, 24 confirmed drunkards, 3 epileptics, and 143 feeble-minded. The man who started this terrible line of immorality and feeble-mindedness later married a normal Quaker girl. From this couple a line of 496 descendants have come, with no cases of feeble-mindedness. The evidence and the moral speak for themselves!
Parasitism and its Cost to Society. - Hundreds of families such as those described above exist to-day, spreading disease, immorality, and crime to all parts of this country. The cost to society of such families is very severe. Just as certain animals or plants become parasitic on other plants or animals, these families have become parasitic on society. They not only do harm to others by corrupting, stealing, or spreading disease, but they are actually protected and cared for by the state out of public money. Largely for them the poorhouse and the asylum exist. They take from society, but they give nothing in return. They are true parasites.
The Remedy. - If such people were lower animals, we would probably kill them off to prevent them from spreading. Humanity will not allow this, but we do have the remedy of separating the sexes in asylums or other places and in various ways preventing intermarriage and the possibilities of perpetuating such a low and degenerate race. Remedies of this sort have been tried successfully in Europe and are now meeting with success in this country.
i know, who in the world would use a SCIENCE textbook that promotes racism and genocide?
John Scopes
look it up!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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bookworm,
your point is?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2010 - 02:35pm PT
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Don't know either.
Booky is quoting from something written 100 years ago in 1914.
When Ardi was still decomposing.
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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I'm decomposing and soon I'll be compost!
Psalm 102:11, My days are like an evening shadow; I wither away like grass.
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dirtbag
climber
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Idiotic, but true:
Facing a rising tide of joblessness, the governor of Kentucky has found one solution: build an ark.
The state has promised generous tax incentives to a group of entrepreneurs who plan to construct a full-size replica of Noah’s ark, load it with animals and actors, and make it the centerpiece of a Bible-based tourist attraction called Ark Encounter.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/us/06ark.html?hp
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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i know, who in the world would use a SCIENCE textbook that promotes racism and genocide?
Yeah and it's a good thing no one ever used a religous book to promote violence and bigotry.
It's funny when we try to convince righties about the risk of global warming, sheesh they can't even accept evolution.
I'd like to go to ARK encounter and dress up as Gilgamesh and yell "This is MY ark! You copy cats are ripping me off!!"
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2011 - 11:24pm PT
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LUCY WALKED UPRIGHT!
A fossilized foot bone from Ethiopia indicates that human ancestors had largely abandoned swinging from trees by 3.2 million years ago and were spending virtually all of their time walking upright, researchers said this week.
The metatarsal bone from Australopithecus afarensis — the species made famous by the 1974 discovery of the specimen known as Lucy — clearly shows that the species had stiff, arched feet just like modern humans.
Such feet are stiff enough to push off from the ground when taking a step and flexible enough to absorb shock when the foot touches down. But they have lost the ability to grasp branches and other objects — a distinguishing characteristic of Lucy's predecessors, Ardipithecus ramidus.
Although fairly complete skeletons of A. afarensis had been obtained from the so-called First Family Site in Hadar in eastern Africa, researchers had not previously obtained a complete foot and thus could only speculate about Lucy's method of locomotion.
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The new knowledge that she had arches in her feet affects much of what we know about the 3 1/2-foot-tall creatures, including where they lived, what they ate and how they avoided predators, said anatomist Carol V. Ward of the University of Missouri School of Medicine, one of the authors of the report in the journal Science. Her coauthors were William H. Kimbel of Arizona State University, who discovered the bone, and Donald C. Johanson of ASU, who led the team that discovered Lucy.
The development of an arched foot represented a fundamental shift toward the human condition, Ward said, because it meant giving up the ability to use the big toe to grasp branches, signaling that our ancestors had finally abandoned life in the trees for life on the ground. Lucy and her kin could leave the forest and roam the countryside to forage for food when necessary. With their powerful jaws, they could eat a variety of foods, including fruit, seeds, nuts and roots.
Researchers had previously believed that the first member of the human family tree to walk upright was Homo erectus, which flourished between 1.8 million and 70,000 years ago before giving way to modern humans. But the new discovery indicates that the transition from trees to grasslands actually took place one to 2 million years earlier.
The discovery is not a surprise to everyone.
A decade ago, anthropologist Bruce Latimer of Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland discovered fossilized footprints of three A. afarensis hominids who had walked over ash from a volcano in the Serengeti that had recently erupted. The 3.5-million-year-old footprints looked just like modern footprints, he said, indicating that the hominids had arched feet. But others did not consider that sufficient evidence.
Latimer, who specializes in studying walking, said that a major advantage of standing upright is that it allows us to carry things, including food, weapons and especially children.
The disadvantage is that two-legged creatures can be very slow. An injury to one leg "makes us leopard food," he said.
thomas.maugh@latimes.com
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StahlBro
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San Diego, CA
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Feb 11, 2011 - 11:39pm PT
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Bipedalism was very important, but so were breeding strategies and intelligence.
Anyone can be leopard food today if they are not smarter than a leopard. Accidents will happen, and the population still has to increase.
There was probably a combination or things, including climate change, that selected for our ancestors.
Thank god we kept some of our climbing genes
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jstan
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Feb 11, 2011 - 11:56pm PT
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"discovered fossilized footprints of three A. afarensis hominids who had walked over ash from a volcano in the Serengeti that had recently erupted."
One set of footprints were robust, apparently male, one set was gracile, apparently a female and the third was a smaller set. I looked carefully at a photo of the tracks once and saw that the smaller set came up to the gracile track and then ended. You can imagine a child, as they do today, raising its arms and saying "Up!"
A description of the site said that the trio were headed across an area of volcanic ash and were most likely bound for a nearby lake presumably occupied by others. The report also said acacia (cats claw) was the predominent vegetation in the area and further that large cats were the dominant predator. I immediately pictured the trio hurrying to reach their destination with the male carrying a bundle of acacia switches. A switch that can get a cats eyes would be about the best weapon available, I would think.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Feb 12, 2011 - 10:31am PT
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Homo denisovan - another interesting new find from Siberia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/science/25human.html
This find is exciting as it seems to solve a long standing controversy regarding the origins of the Chinese who have long maintained that H. sapiens evolved separately in China from H. erectus and that the Chinese did not come from Africa as did other H. sapiens. In fact, they have many old fossils in China of around 100,000 b.p. which are different than anything else in the world but have some neanderthal like characteristics such as a bony bun on the back of the head.
Modern DNA sampling (over 100,000) of Chinese indicates they all came from Africa however. This discovery now makes it clear that there was more than one modern human in China and some of them may even have mixed. Both factions of Chinese scientists were right in their own realms.
Berkeley DNA specialist Vincent Sarich had a prescient comment along these lines. "I know that I had ancestors because I am alive and I have DNA. The fossil hunters can only hope that their specimens had descendants".
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