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WandaFuca
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From the gettin place
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Apr 26, 2010 - 03:56pm PT
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"Who can show a pedigree like Leviathan? Ahab’s harpoon had shed blood older than Pharaoh’s. Methusaleh seems a schoolboy. I look round to shake hands with Shem. I am horror-struck at this antemosaic, unsourced existence of the unspeakable horrors of the whale, which, having been before all time, must needs exist after all humane ages are over."
from Moby Dick
by Herman Melville
All the evidence indicates that the universe existed for billions of years before Earth. Earth existed for billions of years before humans. Species have come and gone over hundreds of millions of years. Humanity will eventually go the way of the dinosaurs or the Dodo, and the Earth and universe will go on for billions of years as if all human history never happened.
For me, the very definition of Pride is belief in a god, because on a universal scale we are utterly insignificant.
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go-B
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Apr 26, 2010 - 06:39pm PT
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God always was, IS, and will be!
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Apr 26, 2010 - 06:59pm PT
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^^^^^^
a big misconception. Either that or, the invisible man in the sky isn't doing his job
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2010 - 07:16pm PT
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will be what?
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Apr 26, 2010 - 07:53pm PT
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Full of himself.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Apr 27, 2010 - 05:30pm PT
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Have yall killed god yet?
God Jehovah? Yeah.
It's Ovah for Jehovah.
Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2010 - 05:38pm PT
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Ardi probably would say it is what it is, nothing more or less, deal with it.
Run the tape of the evolution of planet earth over and over and over, and
there is a very good chance that homo sapiens never appears.
We ARE that special, that random, that unique. Make the best of it because
no one gets another chance.
Eventually, we are doomed anyway, the sun boils the earth's oceans and
then burns out, turning the earth into an ice ball of rock.
As Locker would say, we're all gonna die!
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Apr 27, 2010 - 06:05pm PT
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"And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes the judgement." Hebrews 9:27
"But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgement and destruction of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7
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rectorsquid
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Lake Tahoe
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Apr 27, 2010 - 06:14pm PT
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Run the tape of the evolution of planet earth over and over and over, and
there is a very good chance that homo sapiens never appears.
Cockroaches might also never appear. Doesn't mean anything. We are as special as a any bug or worm out there.
Dave
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dirtbag
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Apr 27, 2010 - 06:18pm PT
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As Locker would say, we're all gonna die!
Not me, I'm joining you in the eternal fiery pits of hell, my master.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2010 - 06:27pm PT
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"And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes the judgement." Hebrews 9:27
Judgement day, my ass.
Grow up, it's time to stop believing in children's fairy tales.
I am mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore.
Dirt for POTUS!
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 27, 2010 - 06:56pm PT
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I'd take an oath to The Beast.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Apr 27, 2010 - 09:43pm PT
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Norton wrote-
"I am mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore."
Damn straight.
Just watched "Why We Fight." We fight for our ideals. We fight for what we believe in.
It's time we fought to get the bronze age stupidities out of our beliefs. Because the 21st century is going to be challenging enough on its own without having to deal with them, too.
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go-B
climber
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Apr 27, 2010 - 10:12pm PT
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By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Apr 27, 2010 - 11:28pm PT
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"He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning." Ecclesiastes 3:11
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 27, 2010 - 11:40pm PT
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God Bless Mark Twain!
So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code.
 Mark Twain, a Biography
We despise all reverences and all the objects of reverence which are outside the pale of our own list of sacred things. And yet, with strange inconsistency, we are shocked when other people despise and defile the things which are holy to us.
Following the Equator
Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven....The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste.
"The Lowest Animal"
India has two million gods, and worships them all. In religion all other countries are paupers; India is the only millionaire.
Following the Equator
Alas! those good old days are gone, when a murderer could wipe the stain from his name and soothe his trouble to sleep simply by getting out his blocks and mortar and building an addition to a church.
The Innocents Abroad
Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions.
The Mysterious Stranger
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also. I would not interfere with any one's religion, either to strengthen it or to weaken it. I am not able to believe one's religion can affect his hereafter one way or the other, no matter what that religion may be. But it may easily be a great comfort to him in this life--hence it is a valuable possession to him.
Mark Twain, a Biography
In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.
Autobiography of Mark Twain
My land, the power of training! Of influence! Of education! It can bring a body up to believe anything.
A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court
We were good boys, good Presbyterian boys, and loyal and all that; anyway, we were good Presbyterian boys when the weather was doubtful; when it was fair, we did wander a little from the fold.
67th birthday dinner, 11/28/1902
I do not know what we should do without the pulpit. We could better spare the sun--the moon, anyway.
Mark Twain in Eruption
I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's.
Mark Twain in Eruption
Man is kind enough when he is not excited by religion.
A Horse's Tale
Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes, and wishes he was certain.
Notebook, 1879
I was educated, I was trained, I was a Presbyterian and I knew how these things are done. I knew that in Biblical times if a man committed a sin the extermination of the whole surrounding nation--cattle and all--was likely to happen. I knew that Providence was not particular about the rest, so that He got somebody connected with the one He was after.
Autobiography of Mark Twain
We don't cut up when mad men are bred by the old legitimate regular stock religions, but we can't allow wildcat religions to indulge in such disastrous experiments.
"The New Wildcat Religion"
A religion that comes of thought, and study, and deliberate conviction, sticks best. The revivalized convert who is scared in the direction of heaven because he sees hell yawn suddenly behind him, not only regains confidence when his scare is over, but is ashamed of himself for being scared, and often becomes more hopelessly and malignantly wicked than he was before.
Letter San Francisco Alta California, November 15,1868
I do not take any credit to my better-balanced head because I never went crazy on Presbyterianism. We go too slow for that. You never see us ranting and shouting and tearing up the ground, You never heard of a Presbyterian going crazy on religion. Notice us, and you will see how we do. We get up of a Sunday morning and put on the best harness we have got and trip cheerfully down town; we subside into solemnity and enter the church; we stand up and duck our heads and bear down on a hymn book propped on the pew in front when the minister prays; we stand up again while our hired choir are singing, and look in the hymn book and check off the verses to see that they don't shirk any of the stanzas; we sit silent and grave while the minister is preaching, and count the waterfalls and bonnets furtively, and catch flies; we grab our hats and bonnets when the benediction is begun; when it is finished, we shove, so to speak. No frenzy, no fanaticism --no skirmishing; everything perfectly serene. You never see any of us Presbyterians getting in a sweat about religion and trying to massacre the neighbors. Let us all be content with the tried and safe old regular religions, and take no chances on wildcat.
"The New Wildcat Religion"
The Koran does not permit Mohammedans to drink. Their natural instincts do not permit them to be moral. They say the Sultan has eight hundred wives. This almost amounts to bigamy.
The Innocents Abroad
Apparently one of the most uncertain things in the world is the funeral of a religion.
Following the Equator
Zeal and sincerity can carry a new religion further than any other missionary except fire and sword.
Christian Science
The altar cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next.
Notebook, 1898
I have a religion--but you will call it blasphemy. It is that there is a God for the rich man but none for the poor.....Perhaps your religion will sustain you,will feed you--I place no dependence in mine. Our religions are alike, though, in one respect--neither can make a man happy when he is out of luck.
Letter to Orion Clemens, 10/19-20/1865
We have to keep our God placated with prayers, and even then we are never sure of him--how much higher and finer is the Indian's God......Our illogical God is all-powerful in name, but impotent in fact; the Great Spirit is not all-powerful, but does the very best he can for his injun and does it free of charge.
Marginalia written in copy of Richard Irving Dodge's Our Wild Indians
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go-B
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Apr 28, 2010 - 08:11am PT
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Matthew 15:13-14, He (Jesus) answered, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
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