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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Give me that old time religion!
It usually strikes me as funny when folks in the US are appalled that terrorists sometime behead their victims. Give me that over a stoning or having my skin burnt off by white phosphorus anyday.
Not that I'd care to sign up for any such treatment.
At least the fundamentalist and even literalists in this country know better than to ask for biblical law to be in force
Peace
Karl
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Karl- "biblical law"
bc et.el.
You know what Christians believe and what Christ preached..."Faith, Hope, Love, and the greatest of these is Love. Yet you continue to quote from the Old Testament!
Christ initiated a New Covenant with mankind! "Therefor be imitators of God as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us."
Go ahead quote the Old Testament laws...continue to Hate. "and you will be hated by all because of My name." Luke 21:17
You are just fulfilling prophecy!!!
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Job believed in God but felt he was right before God!
Jesus makes us right before God, by His mercy and grace!
That's all I'm saying, that's what Jesus came to do!
One day I will stand before God and by His grace He'll see my through!
Only Jesus can stand before God for us or you stand before Him alone!
And as righteous as Job was, he felt unworthy before Him! Jesus is our
hope and salvation!
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dirtbag
climber
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Come, re-join the chosen people, we have more money and a better military.
What about your babes? Got any babes?
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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paul roehl- "How can anyone, reasonably, claim to know the character of God?"
Did you read my post to You(5079)three pages back, at the bottom of the page??
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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777 wrote
You know what Christians believe and what Christ preached..."Faith, Hope, Love, and the greatest of these is Love. Yet you continue to quote from the Old Testament!
Christ initiated a New Covenant with mankind! "Therefor be imitators of God as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us."
Go ahead quote the Old Testament laws...continue to Hate. "and you will be hated by all because of My name." Luke 21:17
I'm in your camp with this one 777. I just hope you chime right up when fellow Christians preach on against gay marriage citing passages from Leviticus.
Peace
Karl
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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"When i became a man, I gave up childish things", 1st coronthians, 13
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Karl!
Thanks!
Back in the 80's(?), The woman at the center of Roe VS Wade(73'), became a Christian(and also her lover, another gal). The group of Christians that lead her to Christ, welcomed them with open arms. They just showered them with love.
As she, and her "lover" grew as Christians, they came to the realisation that their relationship wasn't right with God(it took two years)! Their was no brow beating, condemnation etc. We all fall short of the glory of God. Are dealing with our own issues. They came to the conclusion by letting God speak to their hearts, by reading and studying the Word etc.
It was realy an awesome testimony. She talked about how she wished she would have kept her baby(she gave it up for adoption)and wondered if any of the young kids going to school etc. was her boy. She really longed for him. Really sad.
She is a really awesome woman.
Only God can change a person's heart, transform it!!
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Romans 4:7-8, “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
That pretty much covers all of us! All fall short of the glory of God, and He offers us redemption through Jesus the ONLY ONE without sin!
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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WOW!!!
Nice pic two pages back, BTW.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Gobee!
Thanks for the appropriate Scripture verses!
About the "nice pic two pages back" that is an awesome shot! And the one before it that accompanies it! Looks like you shot a picture of the bivy, early morning, with snowfall during the night.
Looks like you were prepared. Where was it? Was it an epic??
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2010 - 07:42pm PT
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The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
 Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt; quoted from James Randerson, "Childish Superstition: Einstein's Letter Makes View of Religion Relatively Clear: Scientist's Reply to Sell for up to £8,000, and Stoke Debate over His Beliefs" The Guardian, (13 May 2008)
For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.
Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt; quoted from James Randerson, "Childish Superstition: Einstein's Letter Makes View of Religion Relatively Clear: Scientist's Reply to Sell for up to £8,000, and Stoke Debate over His Beliefs" The Guardian, (13 May 2008)
t was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Here is the difference betwixt the poet and the mystic, that the last nails a symbol to one sense, which was a true sense for a moment, but soon becomes old and false. For all symbols are fluxional; all language is vehicular and transitive, and is good, as ferries and horses are, for conveyance, not as farms and houses are, for homestead. Mysticism consists in the mistake of an accidental and individual symbol for an universal one.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Norton- "If something is in me that can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
Like I have stated before, this is exactly what God is stating in Romans!
"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so they are without excuse." Romans 1:20
Nature shows us a God of might, intelligence, and intricate detail; a God of order and beauty, a God who controls powerful forces. That is general revelation. He reveals His divine nature and personal qualities through creation, even though creations testimony has been distorted by the fall.
Not only are divine attributes seen in humanity, but they can be seen in the material universe as well! Nature itself speaks eloquently of its Creator. From the intricate design of the human cell to the majestic strength of the great mountain ranges of the world, to the universe which is unfolding above us.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork." Psalm 19:1
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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No, Dr F, nobody can, or does, read those.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nature shows us a God of might, intelligence, and intricate detail; a God of order and beauty, a God who controls powerful forces.
Nature shows a lot of things of wonder, like protein folding, but shows nothing of god. I do believe you and others project god onto nature, however, and think you aren't giving nature her due.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2010 - 08:35pm PT
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The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
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bc
climber
Prescott, AZ
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Trip, You know what Christians believe and what Christ preached..."Faith, Hope, Love, and the greatest of these is Love. Yet you continue to quote from the Old Testament!
Christ initiated a New Covenant with mankind! "Therefor be imitators of God as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us."
Go ahead quote the Old Testament laws...continue to Hate. "and you will be hated by all because of My name." Luke 21:17
Don't the 10 Commandments come from the Old Testament? Exactly which parts of the OT are we supposed to toss?
Even Jesus claimed he wasn't against the laws and prophets of the OT 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
I don't think you should even be consorting on this forum with unbelievers - 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
I know, I'm a hater and I just don't get it. I'm with the antichrist according to the NT - 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Oh well.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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The answers to any questions of how, what, when, where, etc., do not require a god--though many will say that a god did this or that. We don't know all the answers, but we learn more everyday, and no process or discovery has ever shown the need for divine intervention.
The reason people believe in god is because they can't accept that "why are we here?" is a meaningless question with no answer; to their why questions they desperately need the answer "god has a plan."
So if god is the why for them then it must follow that it is also the ultimate answer to all the how, what, when, where, etc., questions as well, but it is all a house of cards built upon a fear. So they attack evolution and anything else that distances the god they believe in from the how, what, when, where, etc., because it makes their god seem less and less personal and perhaps less likely to have a plan for them.
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