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ahad aham
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Sep 14, 2011 - 12:08pm PT
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couch,
I don't believe being Jewish necessarily = allegiance to the flag of a foreign state. Do you?
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Sep 14, 2011 - 05:13pm PT
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couch,
I don't believe being Jewish necessarily = allegiance to the flag of a foreign state. Do you?
No I don't Ahad, but in your link, you have a picture of a catholic, Bob Turner, with a Israeli flag. So maybe that word "allegiance" is not a good term for what you might think you are seeing in the link?
Not sure what your background is, but as long as we are on the subject, are not the followers of Mohammed often ready to rip each other apart? Specifically thinking of Shi'ite Iran vs Wahhabi Sunni Saudi Arabia. Did not the Saudis massacre most of the town of Faluja years back because they were apostates and idolators: thus lower than Jews in their eyes?
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ahad aham
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Sep 14, 2011 - 06:38pm PT
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couch,
turner's religion is not the issue here. this is a u.s. congressional election. wtf is the flag of a foreign state doing up there? of course, i know the answer to that question. both candidates bent over backwards for that vote. but it's not only these 2 clowns. last month during congressional recess 81 congressmen, both dems and repubs enjoyed an all expense paid junket to israel courtesy of the educational arm of aipac. that's rougly one fifth of the entire us congress! could not there be more pressing issues here at home to work out? yeah, and next break another group will go, and so on. this allegiance brought us 911, iraq, and afganastan. breaking the bank. what will you say when the flag of china is propped up there?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2011 - 06:51pm PT
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There is no C of C.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 19, 2011 - 11:24am PT
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Today's clash
http://tribune.com.pk/story/254618/acid-attacks-7-women-burned-in-two-days/
“Both boys go to the same college as me and they were heckling me for not wearing a dupatta on my head. They tried to grab me and when I yelled at them they attacked me with acid,” Tayyiba told police officials before being admitted to the hospital. “She said that both men had said she ‘deserved for her face to be ruined because she had not covered her head’,” .......................
All the burnt victims have been admitted to the Gojra Civil Hospital and are reportedly in serious condition. Three of the victims have sustained over 80 percent burns and are in critical condition.
“Three women are in critical condition and their faces have been completely burnt but the others are in recovery and have been admitted to the burns unit,”
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ahad aham
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Sep 21, 2011 - 01:09pm PT
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458 BC
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Sep 21, 2011 - 01:21pm PT
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Thought I would start a new thread as military action against Iran is imminent, Sep 30, 2009
President Obama has about eight weeks to get Iran to stop all development or Israel will strike. Oct 1, 2009
So says SuperT's local political zealot idealogue minister of misinformation and propaganda.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Sep 22, 2011 - 04:43pm PT
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israel put the u.s. on the spot? actually, the blame falls squarely on barry's shoulders, but we all know the buck never stops there
to all you libs who castigate israel for refusing right-of-return for palestinian refugees:
"Palestinian refugees will not become citizens of a new Palestinian state, according to Palestine's ambassador to Lebanon.
From behind a desk topped by a miniature model of Palestine's hoped-for blue United Nations chair, Ambassador Abdullah Abdullah spoke to The Daily Star Wednesday about Palestine's upcoming bid for U.N. statehood.
The ambassador unequivocally says that Palestinian refugees would not become citizens of the sought for U.N.-recognized Palestinian state, an issue that has been much discussed. "They are Palestinians, that's their identity," he says. "But . . . they are not automatically citizens."
This would not only apply to refugees in countries such as Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Jordan or the other 132 countries where Abdullah says Palestinians reside. Abdullah said that "even Palestinian refugees who are living in [refugee camps] inside the [Palestinian] state, they are still refugees. They will not be considered citizens."
sooooo, even the palestinians don't want the palestinians to return
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 22, 2011 - 08:30pm PT
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Oh,
Like the occupation in Thailand where islamofacists kill or maim around one person every day.
Or Pakistan where they blow up those from the wrong sect weekly.
Or the thousands of women that are murdered or maimed for "honor" all over the Islamic world.
Or, northern Africa where the slaughter continues every day.
Hitler tried to carefully hide the final solution from the German people. He knew they were to civilized to accept it.
Every day the media of the Islamic world proclaims the same goals and nobody objects.
It's the clash of civilization and barbarity.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 23, 2011 - 11:32pm PT
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September 22, 2011
The Real Iran
by Raymond Ibrahim
Hudson New York
In a globalized world where debate and diplomacy predominate, there is one sure way to discern the sincerity of any particular government: see how it behaves at home, where it is in power; see especially how it treats its minorities.
Consider the government of Iran. Gearing up for the Durban III Conference, supposedly against racism, scheduled to take place in New York City this week. Tehran and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad no doubt plan on complaining to the international community about Israel as in former conferences — portraying the Jewish state as "the most cruel and repressive racist regime," a "barbaric" government that engages in "inhuman policies" against the Palestinians.
Yet what sort of government runs Iran — that is, how do Ahmadinejad and the mullahs behave on their own turf, where they are in control? One need only look to Iran's daily domestic affairs to get a clear idea of what "barbaric," "cruel," and "inhuman policies" are truly like.
In the last few days alone, officials launched a Bible burning campaign, confiscating and destroying some 7,000 Bibles, many publicly burned, even as the mainstream media, which provided round-the-clock coverage on Terry Jones — one nonofficial American who destroyed one Koran — ignores a government's mass Bible bonfires. Likening its tiny Christian minority to the "Taliban and parasites," the regime is also in the process of "cracking down" on Christians, who make up less than 1% of the entire population.
The West's endless supply of apologists — the sort who think it makes them appear "sophisticated" and "enlightened" to be tolerant of anything, so long as it doesn't directly affect them — will likely argue that the Bible is just a book. As for "cracking down" on Christians, "Who knows," these dedicated relativists will probably argue, "maybe Iran's beleaguered Christian minority is just as bad as the Taliban?"
Here, then, is an indefensible example of Iran's blatant savagery — proof that it should not cast stones until it joins the concert of civilized nations. According to Compass Direct News:
A pastor in Iran found guilty of leaving Islam awaits the outcome of a judicial investigation into his spiritual background to see if he will be executed or, if possible, forced to become a Muslim... The court-ordered investigation will take place sometime this fall to determine whether Pastor Yousef Nadarkhani, 34, was a Muslim as a teenager before he became a Christian at 19.
Last year the pastor was sentenced by a regional court to death by hanging for "convert[ing] to Christianity" and "encourag[ing] other Muslims to convert to Christianity." After his lawyer argued that he "had never actually been a Muslim and therefore could not be found guilty of abandoning the religion," the court, while continuing to uphold the death penalty, ordered an "investigation." Yet the burden of proof is on the victim: he must "prove that from puberty (15 years) to 19 he was not Muslim" — by getting acquaintances, relatives, local elders, and Muslims to vouch for him.
However, "if it can be proved that he was a practicing Muslim as an adult and [he] has not repented [i.e. returned to Islam], the execution will be carried out." Moreover, "even if the investigation releases him from the charge of apostasy, it is likely the charge of evangelizing Muslims will still carry a lengthy prison sentence, sources said."
In other words, while imprisoning and executing people simply because they want to live according to their conscience — a most basic human right — Iran complains to the world that Israel is "barbaric," "cruel," and "inhuman."
But there is no contradiction; both slandering Israel and murdering Christians are perfectly consistent. In each case, Iran seeks the destruction of the "other" — whether Christian or Jew. At home in Iran, where it is in power, it destroys its Christian minority with impunity, in front of the whole world; on the international stage, where it is currently weak, it seeks to destroy Israel by exploiting the West's lofty language and acting "outraged."
Worst of all, this affair does not merely expose Iran's hypocrisy; it exposes the United Nation's utopist foolishness. By allowing heads of the most notorious human rights abusing states, such as Iran and genocidal Sudan, to attend conferences that supposedly deal with "racism" and "human rights," the UN actually exposes itself as a facilitator of human rights abuses.
©2011 Raymond Ibrahim
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