Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
gonamok
climber
aging malcontent
|
|
|
Aug 13, 2010 - 04:44am PT
|
A new generation of technocrats and wealthy nationalists seek to rebuild national esteem and pride and to reclaim a sphere of influence over the western Pacific.
Theres another place where "technocrats" and wealthy nationalists reside, where national pride and esteem runs high, who maintains a worldwide sphere of influence backed by a global military presence. The USA.
Because china has emerged as a second superpower doesnt make them our enemy, and because we cant kick their ass doesnt make them a threat.
Its not surprising that china is seeking to expand regional influence, because thats what nations do.
If no threat is clearly eminent then we better look for one, right? If we dont have any real enemies we better go out and find some, lest peace break out.
|
|
ahad aham
Trad climber
|
|
|
Aug 13, 2010 - 09:20am PT
|
fats,
jeffrey goldberg (israeli- american who has served in the idf) is once again trying his best to provoke a war & drag the us into israel's fight. neocon scum who should be tried as a traitor for his part in promoting the run up to iraq;
http://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2010/08/12/a-neocon-preps-us-for-war-with-iran/
btw; were you advocating a nuclear strike on iran or merely stating israel's only guaranteed military option? blackmail indeed
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Aug 13, 2010 - 12:12pm PT
|
Somewhere over the rainbow.
|
|
gonamok
climber
aging malcontent
|
|
|
Aug 14, 2010 - 12:43am PT
|
Too late with the party line, Israels nukes have been documented.
|
|
healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
|
|
|
Aug 14, 2010 - 12:54am PT
|
Too late with the party line, Israels nukes have been documented.
Fattrad is partially correct, as the 100 GBU-28's we delivered to them will do the job, however, they are not an 'over-the-horizon' ordnance.
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Aug 19, 2010 - 12:44pm PT
|
Fats, did you ever consider that you may be a reincarnated cartographer from the 19th century British Empire?
|
|
survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
|
|
|
Aug 19, 2010 - 04:59pm PT
|
Right now things can be resolved with conventional weapons over the horizon.
Resolved. That's precious, and so sterile!
Hey, it's a new diplomatic initiative!
|
|
couchmaster
climber
pdx
|
|
|
Aug 20, 2010 - 04:07pm PT
|
Dr F's version of a clash would have Republicans and democrats hurling invectives and limp-wristed insults at each other (and the Dems would be winning in his dreams). Come to think of it, I suppose we'd all prefer that to the deadly way they have to play it in the middle east.
May the Lion yet lay with the lamb. Praise Allah.
|
|
Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
|
|
|
Aug 24, 2010 - 08:09pm PT
|
More like going through the motions, it seems to me. Obama's priorities are things like the economy, employment, and health care. Neither he nor the US public cares much about unsolvable problems in the middle east, beyond keeping a lid on the Israelis and the Iranians, and getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan. He hasn't invested much capital toward a resolution of the Palestine/Israel problems, and has little to gain unless there is dramatic change - not likely, given an extremist Israeli government, equally extreme Palestinians, and surrounding states that don't really care.
Israel simply isn't very important in the bigger picture, certainly not as important as the Jewish/Israeli and theo-con lobbies, and the New York Times, would have us believe.
|
|
Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2010 - 02:05am PT
|
Did the poll ask whether Israel, and solution of the Palestine-Israel issue, even made the top ten list of significant concerns of inhabitants of those countries? Not likely it did - those countries and their peoples have more important things to worry about than an endless ugly squabble which has little relevance to them and which they can do little if anything about.
It would be a bit like asking the people of the US if they thought North Korea was a growing threat. Many might say yes - but almost all would agree that there many greater threats.
ps I got #1,111! How cool is that!
|
|
healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2010 - 03:20am PT
|
Fattrad - exactly how many more Americans lives are you personally prepared to sacrifice in order for Israel to continue to avoid a peaceful resolution with the Palestinians?
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2010 - 12:22pm PT
|
Hey Rondelusional, where, exactly, is a Taliban connection?
Other than in your fairy world.
Maybe you could present a link? Because your lies and disinformation already plays 24/7 on FauxNoise.
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2010 - 02:57pm PT
|
Following the show in Washington, the current Israeli leadership will find a way to thwart the direct negotiations because they cannot finalize a deal. Any Israeli or Jewish leader who says something that is interpreted as any kind of concession on the right of return knows that he shall immediately be accused of treason. Moreover, the Israeli leadership cannot present its public with a deal that would include less than the dream outlined by Zionism: "One Jewish state with the holy Jerusalem as its capital."
And, Rondelusional, I checked your stupid assertion through the news services. I didn't even look at FuX. No mention of a Taliban connection in Canada. Ya punter.
|
|
Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2010 - 04:10pm PT
|
Ron appears to be partly right, but the devil as alway may be in the details.
Three men arrested Wednesday were preparing to build improvised explosive devices for attacks within Canada, police say. They were also raising money to fund improvised explosive device, or IED, attacks on Canadian troops in Afghanistan, RCMP chief superintendent Serge Therriault said Thursday at a news conference in Ottawa. Two of the accused, Hiva Mohammad Alizadeh, 30, and Misbahuddin Ahmed, 26, were taken into custody in Ottawa on Wednesday. The third, 28-year-old Khurram Syed Sher, was arrested in London, Ont. Therriault said investigators believe the three men are part of a terrorist group in Canada and had links to international terrorism. How real a threat these people posed remains to be seen. They could be anything from some mouthy yahoos to a real threat. Given that it is August (slow news month), and given the need for the RCMP and CSIS to be seen to be doing something to justify their existence (see also 1984), it may be much overstated, or not.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/RCMP+Project+Samosa+suspects+were+preparing+build+IEDs/3446587/story.html#ixzz0xkB3e7RW (The Sun is a reputable, though somewhat conservative, Vancouver paper.)
|
|
Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2010 - 05:45pm PT
|
Nope - I don't practice in Ontario, and don't do criminal law. But somehow suspect that the RCMP if not CSIS is overselling the case. The RCMP has been getting some terrible publicity lately, for scandalous behaviour, and would probably like to recoup some losses.
|
|
healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
|
|
|
Aug 27, 2010 - 06:41pm PT
|
Fattrad - exactly how many more Americans lives are you personally prepared to sacrifice in order for Israel to continue to avoid a peaceful resolution with the Palestinians?
You didn't answer the question - and blaming the impasse on the Palestinians is disingenuous at best given it's Israel who does not want a settlement on any terms.
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Aug 30, 2010 - 01:05pm PT
|
Fox news
State Department Condemns Rabbi Who Prayed for Death to All Palestinians
*
Aug 29, 2010 5:22 PM EDT
The U.S. State Department on Sunday issued a statement criticizing an Israeli rabbi who reportedly wished God would send a plague to kill off all Palestinians, including the "evil hater of Israel," Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
"We regret and condemn the inflammatory statements by Rabbi Ovadia Yosef," State Department spokesman Philip Crowley said, noting that the rabbi's comments do not reflect the views of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
"These remarks are not only deeply offensive, but incitement such as this hurts the cause of peace. As we move forward to re-launch peace negotiations, it is important that actions by people on all sides help to advance our effort, not hinder it," Crowley said.
The inflammatory statements by the rabbi, reportedly delivered during Saturday prayer service, come just days before Abbas and Netanyahu are scheduled to arrive in Washington for direct peace talks stalled for the past two years.
|
|
couchmaster
climber
pdx
|
|
|
Aug 31, 2010 - 11:18am PT
|
OIL? Now the Israelis have to worry abut the US invading them?
Thought you'd appreciate this cartoon Fatty.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!