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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Nov 15, 2012 - 10:24pm PT
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Chief, is the ADHD particularly bad for you today?
The NE ski area issue and the Greenland (NAO) paper are two different subjects and were discussed in two different papers.
Also, on the NELSP site, one of the first reasons listed for ski area failure (and you yourself posted it upthread) is "weather variation". What do you suppose that might mean?
I gotta give you some credit for trying ... but zero credit for understanding.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Nov 15, 2012 - 10:58pm PT
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You might say that Jim Hansen at NASA has become "hysterical" at times. Why else would he risk some of his reputation and even job by getting arrested at demonstrations? Why, indeed? Perhaps it is because, like The Chief, he believes that being a man of action goes beyond things as pedestrian as studying procedure manuals and analyzing data sets. Hansen also is clearly motivated by what he views as his obligation to future generations, particularly his young grandchildren. At this point in his life, he could just retire and live comfortably. I think it is simplistic to assert that his main motivation is money.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
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In classic human-style, we overestimate our own importance with claims that we are the main cause (this is what man-made-global-warming indicates) and somehow can affect a substantial turn of these cycles that have been creeping along well before we were just a slime on a rock and will be creeping along well after we return to slime.
Once again, no one whosoever has said we are the "main cause" of the Earth's climate cycles or the "turn" of those cycles. What is being said is we now have a significant role in how this and future cycles play out.
THIS is why this so-called battle against warming or climate change or whatever you would call it seems so asinine to me.
No, the "so-called battle" is being waged and bankrolled by oil companies and paleolithic republicans attempting to wield it as an ideological litmus test and cudgel.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Nov 16, 2012 - 09:45am PT
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The latest Scientific American has a good, concise piece on how changs in the AO and NAO patterns brought on by accelerated melting of Arctic Ice are causing more severe cold in middle latitudes.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Nov 16, 2012 - 09:57am PT
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The acronym isnt there, perhaps, but at this point, what reasonable person expects to see it? Thanks, Chief Bullshet, you have delivered again and I now have enough compost to finish putting the garden to bed for the winter.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 16, 2012 - 10:13am PT
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Chief Running Mouth strikes again.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 16, 2012 - 10:51am PT
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ED, LARRY, HEALY, KMAN, BOBINC etal...
I am willing to bet that you ALL condone and fully support NASA's GEOENGINEERING research and efforts in order to "stabilize and combat" the recent CC.
I am none of the foregoing, and in fact have been the victim of least some their vituperation (they do not like to be questioned, much less disputed). But geoengineering research sounds like a good idea to me. As long as we can make it both hotter and colder (or wetter and dryer or whatever)--it's pretty much a no lose proposition. Just vary it one way, if you overshoot, vary it back the other, and so on until you get it good.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:05am PT
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I am willing to bet that you ALL condone and fully support NASA's GEOENGINEERING research and efforts in order to "stabilize and combat" the recent CC.
That's interesting. How much are you "willing to bet"?
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:35am PT
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I don't care much one way or the other about Chief's military record. I don't see what it has to do with his laughable attempts to discredit the overwhelming evidence that is out there on climate change. I've said for quite awhile that he would have been way better off to just stick to criticizing a possible carbon tax and stop wasting everyone's time spreading the junk "science" wider and deeper...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2012 - 11:39am PT
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Nov 16, 2012 - 07:43am PT
ED, LARRY, HEALY, KMAN, BOBINC etal...
@The Chief, shut up when you talk to me.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:40am PT
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khanom -- "I think you've lied about your SAR experience"
Ummmmm now you're making sh!t up.
So when Chief and his crew landed in Angel 1, I was seeing an illusion?
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:43am PT
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You're completely wrong about his SAR experience.
Give it up man.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:44am PT
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I kind of see your point.. but, again, what do Chief's military credentials have to do with his ability to evaluate serious research?
I think the point he's been making (indirectly) is that he does not respect some members of the research community because either
1) they are just feathering their own nest with sham results and finding more grant money to produce more of same or
2) even if they might be producing non-sham research, why haven't any meaninguful actions come of it by now?
On the second point, Chief has made it very clear that when HE was in active military service, every day was one of decisive action. I think the contrast between that lifestyle and what he thinks is going on in the climate change debate (endless, non-decisive noodling) is one of the things that really sticks in his craw.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:02pm PT
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The stupid dog barks again. ^^^^^
What a stupid despicable person you are Malemute.
Go away stupid dog ......
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
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No problem giving Chief props for doing a lot of dangerous, thankless work for a long, long time. But how about that goes onto a different thread?
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Norte_Caroliña_Climber
Gym climber
BigWall Baller From the Holler
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Nov 16, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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The "Chief" being a moran ain't got a lick to do with whether he served and in what capacity. Lord knows there were plenty of dumb bastards of all kinds in my time in the service (USAF, 452d AMW, 912th ARS). So lay off that stuff.
But its purdy common that the little uns are like yipyip dogs. Napolena complex, little man syndrome, whatever you-uns want to call it. Seen it too many times to count. Same thing that makes the little dick boys drive them big ol trucks. What kinda rig you drive anyway cheif? I'm peggin ya at about 5'3" from them pics.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2012 - 02:44pm PT
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I like this thread because there are some very bright people here who post scientific data that backs up the claims that humans are indeed affecting the climate in ways that negatively impact the species living on this planet.
Acidification of the oceans is just one small example.
I appreciate people who pose arguments that counter the assertions made by the climatologists. While mostly untawdry in nature, they do further the conversations, and we get folks like Ed, Chiloe, and others who chime in to show how the science works.
However, when a person is who shown the how the science works replies by attacking the foundation of science itself, then we've come to an impasse. To me, it seems The Chief is here here only to entice bad will and start arguments. I am growing very weary of his name calling and obstinance.
Is there any way we can remove this disingenuous person from this thread? I mean, he simultaneously posts "scientific" data at the same time he denounces science in screaming rants.
I'm all for the 1st amendment, but I am against being called names for concurring with hard science.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Nov 16, 2012 - 02:49pm PT
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Oh, k-man, it seems my recently posted quote on another thread - from douglas hofstadter- might be equally apropos here?
it’s a very bizarre mixture of ideas that are solid and good with ideas that are crazy. It’s as if you took a lot of very good food and some dog excrement and blended it all up so that you can’t possibly figure out what’s good or bad.”
Public internet forums - they're here to stay. For better and worse.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
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Yes, the forums are here to stay.
And levels of BS I can put up with.
But when a belligerent joins a conversation, and that person doesn't care to constructively move the discussion forward, those who want to continue the good discussion should find ways to close out the belligerent.
That said, perhaps the goal of this thread has been reached. It's bee shown over and over how hard science has proven AWG exists. And, as has been shown, big business and insurance companies are structuring their business models accordingly.
While it's out of my realm to propose actions to address the problem, I will say that it's high time for our world leaders to begin leading on this issue so we can hope to have a world in which we want our children to live.
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