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EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:48pm PT
I like beer.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2015 - 06:59pm PT
The sixth mass extinction is caused by overpopulation, which is caused by increased agriculture yields, which are caused by better science around pesticides and fertilizers.


Kill all scientists because they are killing us!


Now let's go have a beer, E.T.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 3, 2015 - 07:08pm PT
What if I agree,The Chief.

What if I say yeah we ffed up,we [humans] in science screwed up ,we caused CC,by not covering our asses in concerns with petro-chems,etc.

Have we [humans]not caused CC?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Feb 3, 2015 - 07:09pm PT
*More scientists are employed by and work for Big Corporations globally than any other entity.

So you see, you should not stereotype SCIENCE any more than you should Stereotype CORPORATIONS
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 3, 2015 - 07:44pm PT
WWBKS....What Would Bruce Kay Say...?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Feb 3, 2015 - 07:49pm PT
How knowledge gets used is a moral and ethical issue.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 3, 2015 - 07:53pm PT
[quote]Lomborg gets plenty wrong in his WSJ piece, thus denying a lot of what competent climate scientists have observed.

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2015/02/03/bjorn-lomborg-did-not-get-facts-straight/[/quote]

I'm sorry, monolith, but I find that blog rather ineffective in its criticism because it completely ignores both Lomborg's thrust and the underlying economics. I should add that my citation to that commentary at least had a disclaimer; I see none for this blog. His economics leaves much to be desired, and his argument is sometimes inane.

Example: [quoting Lomborg]: The dramatic decline is mostly due to economic development that helps nations withstand catastrophes. If you’re rich like Florida, a major hurricane might cause plenty of damage to expensive buildings, but it kills few people and causes a temporary dent in economic output. If a similar hurricane hits a poorer country like the Philippines or Guatemala, it kills many more and can devastate the economy."

His response:"Rich like Florida? When a hurricane hits the US coast it is far more likely to hit an area in poverty than one that is wealthy."

Really? Florida's "poor" and the poor in the Philippines or Guatemala are comparable?

To me, the blog is worse than useless, because it causes readers without his knowledge of climate science to turn off his pronouncements on climate science, since his conception of international poverty is so wrong.

That said, I can understand how he feels compelled to discredit anything Lomborg says, for the same reason that I reflexively want to discredit anything that a Naomi Klein, for example, purports to write about economics. Most of us familiar with the climate change debates are well aware that Lomborg is an outlier. I'm not sure that Laden (the author of the blog piece) has any clue that his economics are similarly outlying.

John
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 3, 2015 - 08:11pm PT
"Sure it is, but the use of oil and coal predate science itself. You were simply and utterly wrong with your grandiose point."
Dingusmilktoast

OMG!!! they should ban ignorance around here! Chris, Hello!
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Feb 3, 2015 - 08:14pm PT
Have we [humans]not caused CC?

What percentage have "we" caused Wilbeer?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 3, 2015 - 09:09pm PT
LOL, keep talking about science like it's some reckless kid.

Science doesn't "design and implement" anything.

Cheef's posted thousands of times in this thread trying to discredit science, as if it were a thing that could be discredited.

Prolly some grudge he has still holds against 9th grade chemistry teacher.


Tooooooooooooooooooooooooooo funnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 3, 2015 - 09:27pm PT
Science isn't just a thing. It's people too.

i don't trust anybody that says they know more than me.

They gotta prove it
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 3, 2015 - 09:46pm PT
Science isn't just a thing. It's people too.

i don't trust anybody that says they know more than me.

They gotta prove it

That's exactly what science is.

The process of proving it.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2015 - 07:30am PT

BASE104
Nobody changes their minds. You can pluck out a post from two years ago, plop it down again, and nobody would even notice.

Lol.. I might just start doing that.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Feb 4, 2015 - 07:38am PT
OMG!!! they should ban ignorance around here! Chris, Hello!

I heard the sheriff is looking for you, Forest....

DMT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Feb 4, 2015 - 07:42am PT
I like the distinction between production science and impact science. I think, though, that it's rather oversimplified to say that conservatives dislike impact science. Rather, at least this conservative dislikes those who would impose their solutions as optimal without a proper analysis to determine optimality. I'll admit, though, that my dislike probably leads me to more disagreements with, say the Heritage Foundation than with the IPCC, so maybe the generalization has validity after all.

Yeah it's definitely oversimplified, as I noted regarding evolution and vaccines as well. But it's meant to work as a statistical generalization, i.e. self-identified conservatives on a survey are more likely to disapprove of examples of impact science, and approve examples of production science. At least according to McCright et al. 2013:
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/4/044029

A competing hypothesis is that conservatives tend to express less trust in science generally, favoring other ways of knowing. Again that's stated as a statistical generalization, and a topic of ongoing research.
WBraun

climber
Feb 4, 2015 - 07:45am PT
That's exactly what science is.

The process of proving it.

They can't prove anything.

It's all beyond them ......
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Feb 4, 2015 - 07:47am PT
You can pluck out a post from two years ago, plop it down again, and nobody would even notice.

For the argumentativeness that might be true, but it skips over all the science content that for some of us is the interesting part of this thread. That content stays fairly up-to-date.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Feb 4, 2015 - 07:51am PT
They can't prove anything.

It's all beyond them ......

Precisely.


But the sheep will follow without ever questioning it. The Science states this and the science states that. It knows so don't question it. If you do, your an idiot and know absolutely nothing.


Just as they all did when science stated that all the things they brought to society was all good & well and their would be no long term ill effects in their use.


Still waiting for Wilbeer to post the percentage of how much we humans have played a part in and caused the current CC issue.

A competing hypothesis is that conservatives tend to express less trust in science generally

For someone that is supposedly all science and non bias in all this, you sure do keep presenting a ton of politically charged statements, Chiloe.

Pretty similar to KOS stating over and over that he is a Republican. Hilarious.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 4, 2015 - 07:59am PT
science stated that all the things they brought to society was all good & well and their would be no long term ill effects in their use.

I remember the exact day when they said that: August 2, 1891

Look it up. It's somewhere on Wikipedia.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Feb 4, 2015 - 08:00am PT
I remember....



Yeah, you and all the other Republicans that reside in Temecula, Right Dave.

RFLMAO again at ya. Thanks.
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