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Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 21, 2014 - 10:30am PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2014 - 08:25am PT

A typical response from Sketch, turning to ad hominem attacks when he is handed his ass in a hat.

K-man - This is the same old dance. You make bullshit accusations. I call you on them. You play stupid.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

BTW Where'd you pick up "handed his ass in a hat"?

I don't think it even qualifies as a mixed metaphor. Just a stupid redundancy. Color me shocked.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 21, 2014 - 10:30am PT
not by him
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 21, 2014 - 10:48am PT
Oh you mean verifiable like the facts that: polar bear populations are healthy and growing contrary to alarmist claims, the first order weather stations throughout alaska show a decline in temps over the last thirteen years of 2.4 f, total global ice mass is above the sarellite era mean and increasing, there have been a seven year string of severe winters in large parts of the NH, global mean temperatures have been flat to cooling over the last fifteen plus years, no individual climate model has even come close to accuracy in projections of all weather phenomenon known as climate, the sun was in a highly energetic state for most the mid to late 20th century, the sun is now entering into a period of markedly reduced activity , the IPCC was founded by a criminal, the modest rise of .8 c over a period of 150 years is not unusual in the climate histiry especially considering we were coming out of a prolonged period known as the Little Ice Age, and on and on.

But I dont want to rain on your parade so ill leave the short list of climate science facts and exposed myths there.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 21, 2014 - 11:15am PT
Like I said. Rick couldn't verify a wet tuna smacking him in the face
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 21, 2014 - 11:30am PT
polar bear populations are healthy and growing
you've got a citation to the scientific literature, I'm sure, please post it here

the first order weather stations throughout alaska show a decline in temps over the last thirteen years of 2.4 f
not sure what the scientific definition of "first order weather stations" or how that pertains to climate, perhaps you have a citation to the scientific literature

total global ice mass is above the sarellite era mean and increasing
once again, you might clue us in on the scientific literature supporting this claim, and how it relates to climate?

there have been a seven year string of severe winters in large parts of the NH
confusing weather with climate?

global mean temperatures have been flat to cooling over the last fifteen plus years
seems they have been flat, within variation

no individual climate model has even come close to accuracy in projections of all weather phenomenon known as climate
you are looking for an individual model? why? you have a definition of accuracy? please give it and cite the background

the sun was in a highly energetic state for most the mid to late 20th century, the sun is now entering into a period of markedly reduced activity
and what does this have to do with climate? you have repeatedly failed to provide any supporting scientific basis for this contention

the IPCC was founded by a criminal
not a scientific issue...

the modest rise of .8 c over a period of 150 years is not unusual in the climate histiry especially considering we were coming out of a prolonged period known as the Little Ice Age
once again, what is "modest" and what is "usual" and how does the LIA have anything to do with this?


not asking for your opinions, you could do a lot by just citing the scientific literature to support each of you contentions...

very simple, rick, let's start with just one paper out of your "pile of papers" for each contention...

or are they not available for you at this time (which seems your standard excuse for not providing the citations).

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 21, 2014 - 11:50am PT
The Arctic ice melting season is about to wrap up, I've been watching that closely and will have some long-term (satellite era) graphs once we have September means from NSIDC and PIOMAS. The Cryosphere Today daily ice area index bottomed out well above 2012 but slightly below 2013, and well below any year prior to 2007.

Antarctic ice continues to be a focus for research, I'll write more about that hot topic after the AGU meetings in late fall.

In the meantime, NOAA just updated their global surface temperature index, agreeing that this August was the warmest on record. Below are graphs of August only, and of year-to-day (Jan through Aug) means.



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great white north
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:08pm PT
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Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:16pm PT


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The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH

Sep 21, 2014 - 11:50am PT

In the meantime, NOAA just updated their global surface temperature index, agreeing that this August was the warmest on record..

There ya go again Larry, telling them verbiage twisting fibs again....

Globally, the average land surface temperature was the second highest on record for August behind only 1998 , at 0.99C (1.78F) above the 20th century average.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/8



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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:32pm PT


Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH

Sep 21, 2014 - 11:50am PT

In the meantime, NOAA just updated their global surface temperature index, agreeing that this August was the warmest on record..


There ya go again Larry, telling them verbiage twisting fibs again....



There ya go again Chief, showing off your poor reading comprehension again....
raymond phule

climber
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
Impressive reading compression the chief. Is your problem that you don't understand that the oceans have a surface?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:39pm PT
monolith

climber
SF bay area

Sep 21, 2014 - 12:32pm PT


Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH

Sep 21, 2014 - 11:50am PT

In the meantime, NOAA just updated their global surface temperature index, agreeing that this August was the warmest on record..


Sketch wrote, then hastily deleted:



There ya go again Larry, telling them semantic fibs again....

Globally, the average land surface temperature was the second highest on record for August behind only 1998 , at 0.99C (1.78F) above the 20th century average.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/8


There ya go again Sketch, showing off your poor reading comprehension again....

And you are ragging on someones reading comprehension??


s your problem that you don't understand that the oceans have a surface?


Really... you missed the critical part of my statement.

Here, I will try again...

There ya go again Larry, telling them semantic fibs again....
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:40pm PT
Ya got me their, Chief, you guys sound so much alike.

Now can you tell us if the globe has oceans which also contribute global temps?

Globally, the average land surface temperature was the second highest on record for August behind only 1998 , at 0.99C (1.78F) above the 20th century average.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:45pm PT
Do we have go over this semantical propaganda perpetuating bullshet, AGAIN?


The data bank that goes back past 1951 for the world's SST's is about as accurate as your insistent propaganda posting MONO.

To fairly state that they are as accurate and widespread today as they were dating back past 1951, is pure semantical bullshet.

As are the land surface temps accuracy due to their pre-historic technology and level of quality due to prescribed levels of calibrations etc.

jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!

raymond phule

climber
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:49pm PT

Really... you missed the critical part of my statement.

No I did not miss it but I really don't understand why you wrote it. I guess it is because you are totally clueless as usual.

People usually care most about the global surface temperature. This temperature both include the land and ocean surfaces. Chiloe pointed out something about that temperature. He was correct about that according to the link you posted.

You on the other hand seems to think that the land surface are more important or that you don't know what a surface is.
raymond phule

climber
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
I see that the chief completely changed his post and is now rambling about something else.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:52pm PT
You clowns are so brainwashed by all this AGW bullshet.

FOOOOOLE, are you going to state the accuracy of the "RECORD" data back beyond 1951 for both Land and SST temps is as accurate today as it was back then when they had NO SAT technology nor were the instruments any where near as advanced as they are today. Nor were there as many collection locations back then as there are today.

Yeah the NOAA and GISS etal have "HOMOGENIZED" the data. Who has QA'd and audited their "HOMOGENIZED" data? Who?


This is who.... NO ONE!


The amount of collection stations both at sea and on land back beyond 1935 is over 1/2 less than today. And those instruments are as pre-historic as is Fred Beckey with Maint/Calibration cycles that were nill to none.

This "RECORD" verbiage is all one big fking joke as it's level of true accuracy is one big farce at best.
raymond phule

climber
Sep 21, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
Changing the subject once again... instead of admitting that you didn't now that the oceans are included in the surface temps.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 21, 2014 - 01:04pm PT
Changing the subject once again... instead of admitting that you didn't now that the oceans are included in the surface temps.

REALLY?


Hmmm...

With records dating back to 1880, the global temperature across the world's land and ocean surfaces for August 2014 was 0.75C (1.35F) higher than the 20th century average of 15.6C (60.1F). This makes August 2014 the warmest August on record for the globe since records began in 1880, beating the previous record set in 1998. Nine of the 10 warmest Augusts on record have occurred during the 21st century. Additionally, August 2014 marked the 38th consecutive August with a temperature above the 20th century average. The last below-average global temperature for August occurred in 1976. The departure from average for the month was also record high for the Northern Hemisphere, at 0.92C (1.66F) above average. The Southern Hemisphere temperature was 0.56C (1.01F) above average, the fourth highest on record for this part of the world.


Globally, the average land surface temperature was the second highest on record for August behind only 1998, at 0.99C (1.78F) above the 20th century average. Warmer than average temperatures were evident over most of the global land surfaces, except for parts of the United States and western Europe, northern Siberia, parts of eastern Asia and much of central Australia stretching north. Overall, 26 countries across every continent except Antarctica had at least one station reporting a record high temperature for August. The United States and the Russian Federation each had stations that reported record warm temperatures as well as at least one station with a record cold temperature for the month. One station in Antarctica also reported a record cold August temperature for its 30-year period of record. The period of record varies by station.

The average August temperature for the global oceans was record high for the month, at 0.65C (1.17F) above the 20th century average, beating the previous record set in 2005 by 0.08C (0.14F). It was also the highest departure from average for any month in the 135-year record, beating the previous record set just two months ago in June 2014 by 0.03C (0.05F). Record warmth was observed across much of the central and western equatorial Pacific along with sections scattered across the eastern Pacific and regions of the western Indian Ocean, particularly notable in the waters east of Madagascar. After cooling briefly in July, ocean temperatures in the Nio 3.4 regionthe area where ENSO conditions are monitoredbegan warming once again. NOAA's Climate Prediction Center estimates that there is a 6065 percent chance that El Nio conditions will develop during the Northern Hemisphere fall and winter. This forecast focuses on the ocean surface temperatures between 5N and 5S latitude and 170W to 120W longitude.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/8

Maybe you best go back to school and learn how to read.


Like I said, it is all a twist of verbiage.
raymond phule

climber
Sep 21, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
But it is of course interesting logic used.

1. The claim was that august 2014 was the warmest on record.

2. The chief said something about semantics and linked to a source that showed that 1. was true but that also said that the land surface temp were higher 1998.

3. People say that the chief can't read.

4. The chief continue with implying that the 2014 record is not really a record due to some bad measurements in 1930 or something like that.

The question is now why did the chief cite a source that said that 2014 were only the second warmest year after 1998 when he now seems to suggest that the 1930 were actually warmer?
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