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d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Jan 31, 2015 - 10:50pm PT
I'll give you a hint,
D-know rhymes with dino.
You dig.
Now,how about them welding lessunz?
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 31, 2015 - 10:59pm PT
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land

Jan 31, 2015 - 10:50pm PT
I'll give you a hint,
D-know rhymes with dino.
You dig



Dig.
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Jan 31, 2015 - 11:06pm PT
Keep guessing son.

It'll be just like figgering out this dang ole climates.

Seriously, I'm going for the scraggly old Chinese guy look.
Took me 15 or 20 years to get to this point.

Is that manly enough, or should I keep trying?

Edit:I am truly enamored you would pay attention to such details, chief.

Flattered even.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 31, 2015 - 11:18pm PT
Took me 15 or 20 years to get to this point

Nah.


d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Jan 31, 2015 - 11:25pm PT
Chief folded arms has proclaimed.
"Some day you'll be as useless as me!"

Profound.

You gonna get the last werd, chief?
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 31, 2015 - 11:44pm PT
Bye bye... DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-NO-NO-NADA
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Jan 31, 2015 - 11:51pm PT
LBMF
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jan 31, 2015 - 11:57pm PT


Jan 31, 2015 - 11:18pm PT
Took me 15 or 20 years to get to this point

Nah.


HaHaHaHahHaHahhhahahahhhahahahHahHahHahh>(belly grabbr)
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Feb 1, 2015 - 12:02am PT
I love you, the chief.
Seriously. You make me think
and I thank you for that.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 1, 2015 - 12:14am PT
^^^hope you were saluting through that?
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Feb 1, 2015 - 12:21am PT
Of course b.b.!

I love you too. Ain't you one of them jesus loving dudes?
My aunt is like that.
Crazy as all get out
but I loves her anyway.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Feb 1, 2015 - 07:15am PT
So I have been contemplating your last post ED Hartouni.

The "Loud people" claim. I truly believe that deep down you meant, "azzholes". And you title us that all because we do not nor will we succumb to your sciences demands that it is all powerful and knowledgeable. We are so because we question all your sciences claims that you and others deem the necessary policy avenues and how we all must live our lives in order to supposedly turn this supposed impending catastrophe.

Of course all your staunch followers and lovers of the ideology proclaim their enduring support for all your sciences claims and the mantras that go with it.

Now here is the real part. If you Ed Hartouni can not see how this all appears and sounds just like some fanatical religious movement that prevails amongst those of like minded political thinking, and you continue to behave in the exact same fashion as all them religious zealots of past behaved in defense of their ideology, than you are not one bit honest in your repeated claim of being unbias in your position.

What really makes that all true is your latest threat on another thread to pack your shet and leave the taco. Just like DRF and other like minded fanatics did.

Personally ED, I hope you of all people DO NOT do that based on this way dumbass thread that based solely on political ideology. Your climbing contributions here and every where else are far more important than beating your head against the wall over this politically biased agenda.

The op was an intended direct slap in the face and insult towards anyone out here that does not agree with the CAGW ideology and agenda. A political troll. It continues to insist that those people are ignorant and stupid. And you as a highly educated and supposed honorable professional have jumped on this political hate bandwagon and stooped down to that level of having to personally degrade anyone that does not agree with you and your political beliefs and the ideologies that go with it.

The science states this and the science states that.... BFD!

If you leave, I will personally lose all respect I have for you as an individual and climber. I know that doesn't mean a fking thing to you. But, this is a climbing forum after all. That takes precedence. This thread on the other hand, is just another bullshet political pile of propaganda. Your leaving because of this thread will only prove that bullshet takes priority over the one thing I know means more to you than anything else... Your climbing.

Or are you ED H going to go the same way as this has <C> . Think about that.


Now, where were we.....



Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Feb 1, 2015 - 08:24am PT

What a strange little man.
WBraun

climber
Feb 1, 2015 - 08:32am PT
If you leave, I will personally lose all respect I have for you as an individual and climber.

What does he gain by staying?

To keep sparing with you about the same conclusions both of you have already reached to the point of ad nauseam?
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Feb 1, 2015 - 08:41am PT
Staying on the Taco... not on this dumbass completely bullshet thread Werner.

He threatened to leave the Taco in it's entirety on the BK butt hurt koombaya thread.


Now that is waaaaaaaaaay stuuuuuuuuuupid.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2015 - 09:11am PT
@EdwardT: After you said, "Forget about climategate", I commented that it looked like they hooked you pretty good.

EDIT:

But I think I see what you mean now. You're saying to forget about climategate as an example of an overblown media diversion to discredit climate scientists, this new attempt at diversion is going to be even bigger. I suppose time will tell just how much this next attempt to derail climate awareness sticks.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2015 - 10:51am PT
you have a rich fantasy life, The Chief which leads you to all sorts of fancies reaffirming your own choices, and especially your personal narrative of overcoming authority, especially having to do with your formal education.

In particular, you refuse to consider that topics in science can be shown to be right or wrong by the scientific evidence and by rigorous logic. It is not just political rhetoric, it is not a matter of "fair and balanced" reporting... in science, when you are wrong no one cares if your side is reported, you're wrong.

With all the huge social consequences of human induced climate change, it is easiest for many loud people to proclaim that the science is a hoax. Like most conspiracy theories, an argument is constructed that has a chain of logic that matches the particular conspiracy theory goal; the conspiracy theory you've signed onto is the one where all scientists who agree with the hypothesis that human activity has caused the recent, significant climate change have a stake in the outcome and cannot be trusted.

That is a conspiracy theory that involves thousands of scientists across the globe and has been putatively active for decades. The alleged conspiracy has duped most of the governments of the world.

I could speculate why this narrative appeals to you, but it isn't worth it. What is worth it is to continue to point out that the science makes steady progress whereas the objections to the science seem to be static, failing tests that the science makes.

Apparently, my affirming the scientific results has garnered your ire and lacking any ability to confront the scientific issues you resort to insulting me and accusing me of all nature of dishonesty. Their are many other things you accuse me of, the basis of these accusations being your own assumptions of what I am really trying to say and do, apparently not trusting what you read in my writings here, but are your own speculation.

Not only that, but by "confronting my authority" you feel you gain legitimacy for your own arguments, insisting that you have a right for "fair and balanced" representation. You are indeed entitled to an opinion, but that entitlement doesn't convey any other attribute to that opinion, and especially doesn't make it right, or equal to other opinions.

Generally in science, we move from opinion to some demonstration of that opinion. When you've attempted that, you have failed to provide much of a science case for your opinion, as has been pointed out by many responses to the thread. Since your conspiracy theory supports the idea that those posting can't be trusted you ignore any negative responses to your posted opinions. You yourself cannot understand the information that you channel onto this thread lacking any science education and being incapable of even the most simple calculation or statistical analysis.

While this appears to you to be an elitist statement, it really has to do with your lack of proficiency in the skills required to address these issues. This is further compounded with your reluctance to accept the authority of a teacher, since you are suspicious of any and all teachers and the "hidden agenda" they may have.

So we are left with having to hear you loudly proclaim things that you ultimately do not understand regarding climate science. It is no surprise, the stereotypic chief in the US Navy is a loud person, compelled to be impressive to a bunch of young men. While this works to great affect in a military setting when the authority figures actually have authority, it doesn't work so well when the points being made are more subtle and certainty less assured. But since it is what you know, it is what you do.



as for Chouinard and his departure from the climbing community, he certainly is a complex personalty, who knows what his motives were/are, I certainly have no personal connection with him. But taken at face value, he climbed for his own personal reasons and in a style that he thought honored those things that he valued. He chose to climb with a group of people who shared something in common with his vision of climbing. At some point climbing went in another direction, partners also find other passions.

There is a finite time for the conjunction of all the "good things" to happen, and it is often difficult to recognize when that time has ended. It might also be difficult for others to acknowledge that it has happened for a particular individual.

You are correct to speculate that I don't care what you think of me, I try to conduct my activities with some self-integrity without needing external affirmation. But as much as SuperTopo Forum has been a very interesting and important climber's resource, especially in giving voice to a richer historical perspective of climbing than we've ever had, the conjunction of all the "good things" might well be over for me.

I am not usually rash to act, but I am also not all that interested in much of what goes on in a lot of the STForum these days. Why we cannot have our differences of opinion (where the differences are of opinion, and not of demonstrable science) in a civil manner strikes me as symptomatic of the wider society and invalidates any claim that the society of climbers is any different from the rest of society.

If you believe in something so strongly that you feel you have to express it loudly, and then turn up the volume when you get pushback... well "that's your right" but I don't have to participate in that sort of discourse, that's my choice.

Being loud is your choice.

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Feb 1, 2015 - 10:53am PT
The climate has been changing for a looooooooooooooooooooong ass time now.

Billion of years worth of loooooooooooooooooooooooong ass time worth.

Of course it has, but it has never been changed by a single species before and so rapidly.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Feb 1, 2015 - 11:03am PT
But as much as SuperTopo Forum has been a very interesting and important climber's resource, especially in giving voice to a richer historical perspective of climbing than we've ever had, the conjunction of all the "good things" might well be over for me.

Straight up ED, all bullshet aside, I truly think you are better than that.


Yeah this particular thread is way above being stupid. But all your other contributions to this site are way above treasures.

I tell you what, if I cease posting on this thread, will you reconsider staying and not taking all your treasures with you. Your presence is far more important to me than my dumbazz behavior here.

Seriously.

Brutus thought very highly of you and He would ask me to do just that if here today. And I would acknowledge his request immediately with no complaints.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 1, 2015 - 11:25am PT
we all make our own choices
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