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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 5, 2014 - 09:25pm PT
Ah yes, Rick usually gets around to something that interests him a bit more than mere science of climate.

Elizabeth Warren in this case.


Say Rick, check out this video and see if you can recognize yourself anywhere.




And to establish the bonafides of these observation as empirically proven and verified, don't miss the summary starting at 9:15. It really explains a lot about your personality.

Don't you agree?

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2014 - 09:28pm PT
Agreement with El Bruceo? Hell will freeze over before....
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 5, 2014 - 09:43pm PT
you mean on principle? the principle of never agreeing with the enemy?

Golly Rick thats not very scientific is it. What happens if your enemy is right? Ever thought of that?

Of course not because an Ideologue is never wrong. Their entire being and existence depends on it. Science on the otherhand not only is comfortable with being wrong, it is expected as a statistical probability, at which point the belief tchanges to fit our best understanding of what is real.

Crazy eh?

Come on Rick, lets just explore the idea a little. Did you know that in fact most people are generally conservative in nature? Did you know that the average score on the RWA scale is 90 out of a top score of 210?

See its not so bad to be authoritarian, so long as you keep it down to a dull roar. Watch out though. Its like Capitalism. Great stuff, unless you go off the deep end into lala land.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 5, 2014 - 10:08pm PT
uh oh. Ricks a little too frightened to take a peak in the looking glass.

OK forget it - here's something to distract us from that which must not be named.

Assessing the greenhouse impact of natural gas
L. M. Cathles, January 7, 2011 (Submitted to G3)
Abstract
The global warming impact of substituting natural gas for coal and oil is currently in debate. We address this question here by comparing the reduction of greenhouse warming that would result from substitution of gas for coal and oil to the reduction which could be achieved by immediately substituting low carbon energy sources. This comparison shows that if the leakage rate of natural gas is ~1% or less (as it could be now and certainly could be made to be), the substitution of natural gas reduces global warming by 40% of that which could be attained by the immediate transition to low carbon energy sources. This 40% benefit does not depend on the duration of the transition period; it is the same whether the transition is over 20 or 100 years. The comparison avoids complexities of SO2 and CO2 removal from the atmosphere, and illustrates clearly that at low gas leakage rates the greenhouse warming from the use of fossil fuels is associated solely with the amount of CO2 introduced into the atmosphere: the less CO2, the less warming. Fast transitions to low carbon energy sources reduce greenhouse gas forcing more and are therefore desirable, but the substitution of natural gas is always of substantial benefit if the leakage rates are low because significantly less CO2 is emitted to the atmosphere.

http://www.geo.cornell.edu/eas/PeoplePlaces/Faculty/cathles/Natural%20Gas/Cathles-%20Assessing%20GH%20Impact%20Natural%20Gas.pdf

This is rather good news, if true. In the abstract it says "less than 1%" but elsewhere in the study it says "Less than 10%". Elsewhere I've seen it claimed leakage has to less than 3% to get benefit. Anybody good with graphs and numbers here?

No... not you Rick

You neither Sketch.

Take a hike Dave.

You too Andyman
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2014 - 11:03pm PT
No, let's go ahead and name it. Bruce and compatriots are under the influence of the "consensus, the "settled science", the "climate authoritarians".

As with any deception, those seeking to "pull the wool over" , project their deficiencies and tactics onto the opposing camp.

I wonder if the gas release during a great subduction zone quake is orders of magnitude more significant than industries intentional and unintentional release. Has there been any studies of industries extraction of high pressure gas alleviating natural release?
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 5, 2014 - 11:12pm PT
Catastropharian predictions shown to be wrong again for their global warming hypothesis. Seeing a trend.

Scientifically valid peer reviewed papers confirm global warming is a crock
and taxing energy to reduce CO2 is simply crazy because it will have zero
effect on climate but will kill the economy.


BOMBSHELL: (Peer reviewed) study shows greenhouse gas induced warming
dropped for the past 14 years. Data used in the analysis were
obtained from the Atmospheric Radiation Measurement Program (ARM) sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy

Journal of Climate

http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/2011JCLI4210.1


Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Aug 6, 2014 - 06:29am PT
Odds that global warming is due to natural factors: Slim to none
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140411153453.htm

Global warming 'pause' since 1998 reflects natural fluctuation
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140721181805.htm
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Aug 6, 2014 - 07:00am PT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north

Aug 6, 2014 - 06:29am PT
Odds that global warming is due to natural factors: Slim to none
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140411153453.htm

Global warming 'pause' since 1998 reflects natural fluctuation
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140721181805.htm

Good stuff, Mal.

The first story starts of with:
An analysis of temperature data since 1500 all but rules out the possibility that global warming in the industrial era is just a natural fluctuation in the earth's climate, according to a new study by McGill University physics professor Shaun Lovejoy.

Just a natural fluctuation in the Earth's climate? Too funny. Which skeptics are saying man-made pollutants have had zero impact? There's maybe few.

"This study will be a blow to any remaining climate-change deniers," Lovejoy says. "Their two most convincing arguments - that the warming is natural in origin, and that the computer models are wrong - are either directly contradicted by this analysis, or simply do not apply to it."

Lovejoy implies he's proven the computer models are correct. But later in the story:
While his new study makes no use of the huge computer models commonly used by scientists to estimate the magnitude of future climate change, Lovejoy's findings effectively complement those of the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), he says. His study predicts, with 95% confidence, that a doubling of carbon-dioxide levels in the atmosphere would cause the climate to warm by between 2.5 and 4.2 degrees Celsius.

So, he doesn't go near the IPCC models. He simply has the same prediction, a century from now.

This guy sounds more an ideologue than an objective researcher.

And about that second story.... there's been "A Pause"?

Who knew?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 6, 2014 - 08:44am PT
So, he doesn't go near the IPCC models. He simply has the same prediction, a century from now.

This guy sounds more an ideologue than an objective researcher.



You're really not very bright are you?

You see Rick, Sketch is a classic case of someone seriously in need of authoritative guidance. If he had even the slightest capability of introspection and humility he'd grasp that immediately then the question is who that authority might be. You are in the same boat. Neither of you have the competency to beat your way out of a wet paper bag and that is established by fact.

Unfortunately, you can't even grasp the distinction between authority and authoritarianism. Yes I trust the authority of the institutional consensus. No I don't project that onto you because you do not operate on trust, you operate on faith. Trust is verifiable, faith is not. Authority requires trust, authoritarianism requires faith.

Are you following? Its like this. If the institutional consensus demonstrates that it cannot be trusted, then I would not look to it as authority. Thats why I keep pestering you for evidence in its untrustworthiness. You cannot do that yet you persist in claiming certainty in your position.

You, Sketch, Dave and all the other incompetents cannot verify anything, not even something as simple as showing a pattern of corruption in the institutional politics let alone prove a failure of technical ability as Sketch just demonstrated ( again, repeatedly)

Authoritarianism is just another fundamentalist absolutist delusion. It is a perversion and subversion of a perfectly useful value. Thats whyb you are such a fuk up.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 6, 2014 - 09:37am PT
Thats whyb you are such a fuk up.

LMAO, again! Thanks Brucee k.


Sketch: 2839 Posts 2/3rds of them on this thread

Rick Sumner 1627 Posts 2/3rds of them on this thread

Bruce Kay: 9068 Babbling Posts at least 4/5ths of them on this thread

Who's the REAL authentic "fuk up"?




You all need to get your sorry posting asses out and climb or do some FFing. Here's the latest prize. Appears AGW is causing them high altitude Eastside Brookies to grow bigger than normal, huh?






Carry on.... Ha Ha Ha.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 6, 2014 - 09:46am PT
It all depends on how its measured Chuff. By some standards, your sardines don't amount to much.
By the standards of a Sierra fly fisherman thats a beaut.

By the standards of the scientific process Ricks a Fuk up and so are you. Come to think of it, by the standards of a Helicopter maintainence engineer your an even bigger fuk up. But this is a thread about the competency of climate science, not volume of blog posts so unless you have something competent to add, go back to your sardines.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 6, 2014 - 09:53am PT
Once again, LMAO!!! Thanks Brucee.

Like I posted Brucee KY, who is the Real authentic "fuk up"?

Thanks for posting up and reassuring us all that you stand firm in holding that prized pos on this most ridiculous clownfest of a thread on ST.

See ya.... HA HA HA HA.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 6, 2014 - 09:57am PT
see ya thanks for dropping by
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Aug 6, 2014 - 10:56am PT

What was frozen has melted and methane is leaking from the abyss...
Sketch

Trad climber
Not Skip T
Aug 6, 2014 - 11:06am PT
And Pingo was his name-o.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2014 - 02:14pm PT
The first story starts of with:

An analysis of temperature data since 1500 all but rules out the possibility that global warming in the industrial era is just a natural fluctuation in the earth's climate, according to a new study by McGill University physics professor Shaun Lovejoy.

Just a natural fluctuation in the Earth's climate?


Ho man ...

See what we have to deal with here?
Sketch

Trad climber
Not Skip T
Aug 6, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2014 - 02:14pm PT

Ho man ...

See what we have to deal with here?

No shades of gray with the anti-skeptic crowd.
AndyMan

Sport climber
CA
Aug 6, 2014 - 03:43pm PT
@Malemute

>>Aug 6, 2014 - 06:29am PT
>>Odds that global warming is due to natural factors: Slim to none

I find it hard to believe people keep posting this crap. Come on then true believer, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, what is the EVIDENCE that man's CO2 has caused any of the warming since the Little Ice Age? ... the warming that STOPPED 2 decades ago, despite over 1/3 of all man's CO2 being emitted in that period.

NO WARMING
NO WARMING
Credit: AndyMan
dirtbag

climber
Aug 6, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
^^^^Illiterate.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 6, 2014 - 04:02pm PT
Sure looks like warming to me, AndyMan.

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