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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2014 - 10:41pm PT
Hey Mal,

Are you bipolar?

Have you missed your meds?

If not, what's with the boatload of links, C&Ps and colorful, informative graphics? What's your point?


Sketch, what's your point?
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Sep 3, 2014 - 10:41pm PT
CA Cap and Trade: It looks like much of the money will be wasted, esp on the High Speed Train. They is not a requirement of climate change policy, but in California it is standard procedure to set up massive new bureaucracies who siphon up the funding.
Other states: I suggest you don't follow our lead. Use a simple carbon tax, which in the long run we can push into WTO policy.

The reason we have this wasteful system is because it's too hard to sell a simple tax, because voters are idiots. So we never even took a vote on a simple tax. Rather than all these new programs, why not just dump the money in one line item into general education, or paying off debt?

see the summary chart on page 6 of

http://www.lao.ca.gov/reports/2014/budget/cap-and-trade/auction-revenue-expenditure-022414.pdf
Some of these things are good, just CA will waste half of it on admin.
Biggest item is High Speed Train, initial section to Nowhere, $31 billion.

Intro:
Several economists who have evaluated
California’s cap-and-trade program have estimated
that, over the life of the program, average allowance
price may be in the $15 to $20 range. If this were
to occur, total revenue for the program through
2020 could be roughly $15 billion. To the extent
that ARB does not increase the percentage of free
allowances, the above revenue estimates would be
higher.

Then it goes on to warn of lawsuits.
The biggest may be continuing lawsuits against the high speed train. It was voted in ONLY if it had a viable plan to need no subsidies. It has no such plan.

Here is a good example of how Cali will spend the money:
http://keepcaliforniaspromise.org/469/soon-every-faculty-member-will-have-a-personal-senior-manager

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 4, 2014 - 12:08am PT
Splat, Ur's are good post's inwhich i'll sleep on.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Sep 4, 2014 - 07:02am PT
But know its the messenger and not the science, that turns people off.

True and sad for a society that is supposed to be 'smart'. Have we not learned to dig into the message as opposed to the messenger? Nope, lack of humility and giant egos feed into it. Also, after perusing this thread, it appears that most can't understand the science.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 4, 2014 - 07:32am PT
it appears that most can't understand the science.

Please do state where "the science" has been installed as the all knowing entity and should now never be questioned.

As is the case being staunchly promulgated by most that side with it here on this thread. Just look at all of KMAN's, EDH's, Farmental's, Malnutas etal and all their insistent personal attacks towards anyone that does question and does not align themselves with it.

That is to be considered acceptable, right Cragar.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2014 - 07:38am PT
But know its the messenger and not the science, that turns people off.


I don't agree with this statement; it's the message itself that turns people off.

An Inconvenient Truth was a very well-made movie. The "messenger", which is the movie and not Al Gore, was easy to watch and the points were well made. But people don't like the message it brings, so they ridicule the messenger. And they ridicule the host of the movie. Anything to discredit the message.


Simply, people don't want to hear that they have to change the way of life they are used to living. Instead, they will cry fowl, stomp their feet, and generally deny what is right in front of them. We see it in every page of this topic, and that can be extended to the general population at large.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 4, 2014 - 07:41am PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2014 - 07:38am PT
But know its the messenger and not the science, that turns people off.


I don't agree with this statement; it's the message itself that turns people off.

An Inconvenient Truth was a very well-made movie.



RFLMAO!!!!



Now we know where you are truly coming from KMAN!!!







k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2014 - 07:43am PT
Please do state where "the science" has been installed as all knowing entity and should now never be questioned.

Nobody said that science is "all knowing." That's a silly remark and you can't make that statement in earnest without looking a bit silly yourself.

But people do trust science, and they trust their lives to it every day.

Western medicine. People trust the science behind it.
Viagra--men trust their cocks to the science behind the pill.

You yourself trust that your computer is going to correctly post your message to this forum topic. Do you ever question the keystrokes you make, wondering if they will find the right destination.

I doubt it, because you trust the science.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 4, 2014 - 07:50am PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2014 - 07:43am PT
"Please do state where "the science" has been installed as all knowing entity and should now never be questioned."

Nobody said that science is "all knowing." That's a silly remark and you can't make that statement in earnest without looking a bit silly yourself.

Thanks KMAN for confirming the rest of my post....

As is the case being staunchly promulgated by most that side with it here on this thread. Just look at all of KMAN's, EDH's, Farmental's, Malnutas etal and all their insistent personal attacks towards anyone that does question and does not align themselves with it.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2014 - 07:53am PT
The Chief. So quick to jump in with the hate.



[People] will cry fowl, stomp their feet, and generally deny what is right in front of them.

Thank you for proving my point, The Chief.
WBraun

climber
Sep 4, 2014 - 07:58am PT
K-man -- "Simply, people don't want to hear that they have to change the way of life they are used to living.
Instead, they will cry fowl, stomp their feet, and generally deny what is right in front of them,"

Yes this is it in a nutshell.

The American general public can not for the life of them assimilate scientific data as presented by
scientist themselves.

They need practical real world examples that the average person can see for themselves in real time in their own communities.

Not mounds and mounds of mathematical formulas and piles of graphs and data.

Education needs practical layman's examples that can be assimilated by them.

You scientists are like freaks to the average person.

The human touch is far superior when backed by your mounds of math and data ........
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 4, 2014 - 07:59am PT
What point was that KMAN, that you are a close minded far left liberal political ideological sheep?

Yup!

You are welcome KMAN!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2014 - 08:04am PT
A fool's paradise:






Anybody with a lack of critical thinking will gobble up this image. But I don't buy the message that the image is trying to convey--that the image in Gore's book is a snapshot of a day in history. That it is in fact a "photo" and not an illustration.

What is the context of Gore's illustration, The Chief? Is the book saying that this is what things might look like if we continue on our path, or does it really try to pass the illustration off as a day we have lived?

BTW, ever seen a picture of Katrina from space? Wow.
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 4, 2014 - 08:11am PT
WBraun

Sep 4, 2014 - 07:58am PT

Yes this is it in a nutshell.

The American general public can not for the life of them assimilate scientific data as presented by scientist themselves.

They need practical real world examples that the average person can see for themselves in real time in their own communities.

How about something like this?

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2014 - 08:14am PT
Sketch, why don't you just graph the large decline from the highest peak in 1998 to the following trough?

Why or why not would that be just as telling as the graph you posted?




And, haven't we been over this before? In detail??



You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 4, 2014 - 08:19am PT
What is the context of Gore's illustration, The Chief? Is the book saying that this is what things might look like if we continue on our path?

Right in-line with what Gore's was saying in the movie that you stated was well made...

“Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’.”

"Hurricanes and Tornado's will become more frequent"

Etc



It is all about making more money for AL!



You do know that he has pocketed well over $100 million from the movie, right KMAN!


You do know that he lives in a 10 room mansion not far from the shores of the Pacific ocean.

You do know that he owns a private FF burning C02 emitting jet to skoot his ass all over this planet in order to advertise his money making GW fear.
WBraun

climber
Sep 4, 2014 - 08:19am PT
Sketch

Nice job of spinning and twisting what I just said to fit your agenda.

Here's what I said;

"They need practical real world examples that the average person can see for themselves in real time in their own communities.

Not mounds and mounds of mathematical formulas and piles of graphs and data."

And what's the first thing you do, lol

Show a graph ......
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 4, 2014 - 08:25am PT
The science underpinning CAGW is a twisted crock of shet. The underlying agenda has used climate change as the vehicle of choice to achieve the desired end. Kelly's post upstream ( "this changes everything"-if memory serves me correctly) says it all, discontent with the world as is and desire for a unrealistic uptopian fantasy. The morons pushing it here are either invested with their careers or brain dead sheep. The possibility of imposition of their nightmarish agenda prompts vigorous opposition from any rational person.
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 4, 2014 - 08:29am PT
Cherry picking?



Seven trend lines, going back 10-16 years.

Negative trend lines - Six.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2014 - 08:35am PT
Cherry picking?


Yes.



And we've been over this before. In detail.
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