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the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
May 28, 2014 - 03:18am PT
^^ "scientific claims of global warming
destroying humanity." Haha strawman much?

Yes there's a huge global conspiracy of climate researchers with an impressive scheme to get year to year limited funding to continue. It's not like they could turn sides and work for the denialist industry and make much more money, right? When something like that which is so clearly BS is posted doesn't that make you wonder about the motivations of the writer?

Like what FET?

I don't know it could be changes in solar radiation, greenhouse gas concentrations, etc. It's hard to know what happened tens of thousands of years ago or millions of years ago. But we have much more data about what has happened in the last 100 years. That should be a much easier question to answer.

What was different then than it is today?

It was an ice age, probably due to changes in the Earth's orbit. So conditions were very different. I don't know why there were larger spikes then, I'm more interested in the present conditions, where we haven't seen spikes like that for 10,000 years. However having an idea why that happened is probably good for understanding our current and possible future conditions.

The graph I posted shows the last 1,000 years, and the graph you posted shows much the same story over the whole Holocene / last 10,000 years. So what else could have caused the warming at the end of this period?

Ok I answered your questions. Now answer mine please.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2014 - 04:35am PT
That's an interesting graph, The Chief. It made me wonder what it would look like if you added life on Earth to the mix.





Then if you magnify the last period (the dark triangle):














This seems more realistic though:

Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
May 28, 2014 - 07:21am PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz

Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
K-man - I asked you to back up [you assertion that] "[Sketch's] views of climate change are based on non-scientific opinion."


Sketch, please tell me why this does not answer your question:

I think that your posts represent your views. So to me, your posting of the cartoon indicates that the cartoon is a representation of your view.

If your views do not align with the cartoon, or your views are different from the opinions you post, tell us so we know they are not your views. Otherwise, we must all assume they are your views.

Is that clear? OK, let me try it again, and I'll be blunt: What you post, including cartoons, represents your viewpoint.

Or why this does not answer your question:

Sketch

May 8, 2014 - 05:26pm PT

Catastrophic global warming / anthropogenic climate disruption is our modern day boogie man.

The powers that be cooked it up after nuclear destruction was no longer an issue.

The masses need a boogie man.

So there it is, in your [Sketch's] own words.


Or why this does not answer your question:

As for knowing your beliefs, I said I got my views from your posts. I posted one, you said it was just a troll. So now I know, I cannot know your beliefs because any time I try to show you a post you made, you deny it's your belief.

Sketch, all your posts land on the Denier side of the AWG fence. Can you prove to me that that's not the case? Can you show me where you've stated that you believe the conclusions of AWG research? If so, show us. Because I can show post after post of where you denounce those very scientific findings, starting with a cartoon you posted that completely misrepresents the WAIS reports.


Why Sketch, why do you keep asking the same question, when I have answered it multiple times? Why do the above quotes from my previous posts not answer your question???

I asked you to show us where you have shown your view. You came up with nothing.

I asked you to show us where you might have posted something that agreed with the conclusions of climate change research. You came up with nothing.


So while I answer your questions, you continue to dodge mine. I've shown good faith in answering your questions, you have showed zero good faith.

Well buddy, now is the time. I'm here. Ed's here, and DMT is here. We are asking you:

What are your views on human caused global warming?


I don't expect anything more of you than snake oil. But here's your chance to show us otherwise.


In chess they politely say, "En garde".

K-man - Last night I posted a brief summary of my take on AGW. I've posted it other times. Yet, here you are posting the same idiocy.... and at least one juicy lie.

Same old, same old.

Do you think your "en garde" reference makes you sound smart?

It doesn't apply.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
May 28, 2014 - 09:29am PT
Light-colored butterflies and dragonflies thriving as European climate warms
Butterflies and dragonflies with lighter colors are out-competing darker-colored insects in the face of climate change.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140527114909.htm
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
May 28, 2014 - 09:31am PT
Thank you KaveMan for reaffirming my consistent claim that Earth will continue on as it has in it's own way, regardless of us humans.


Just shows how truly insignificant we humans really are in scope of the big picture.


Also, thanks for concurring with me that Evolution works. We humans are a small tiny part of that process. We will in fact die off as have the millions of other species that went before us. Other species will succeed us and they too will move on.

It is the law of the Universe which we can not avoid.



I find it rather interesting that an entity so tiny as the one below, can indeed come along any day and wipe all of humanity from the face of this planet. And you all want to control the climate.

raymond phule

climber
May 28, 2014 - 09:40am PT

It is the law of the Universe which we can not avoid.

So we should of course stop caring. Smog is great, bad air is great, a nuclear war should just be fun, we can look at pictures of animals, some nice biological warfare is missing.

Why should we care, it is just evolution anyway?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
May 28, 2014 - 09:42am PT
"Caring"?


More like attempting to manipulate the rules of the Universe for your selfish wants, again. And again, and again...





You are going to DIE!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
May 28, 2014 - 09:42am PT
You'll get plenty of climate change in Hell!

DMT
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
May 28, 2014 - 09:44am PT
Hell? What and where is that?



Oh, I know...







I always figured you believed in Hell, Dingus.


Pretty much answers so many of your posts.


BTW Phule, the individuals that instigated the above events, they too cared for their version future of this planet.
raymond phule

climber
May 28, 2014 - 09:50am PT

More like attempting to manipulate the rules of the Universe for your selfish wants, again. And again, and again...

This is really the strangest thing with your anti-science philosophy. You don't seem to have any problems with behavior that change the environment by "mistake" but your seems to be against all kind of regulations or change of our behavior.

It seems that you would rather want everyone to drive around with cars driven on leaded gas with really bad gas mileage in a smog than to recognize the problem and trying to do something about it (which has been done to some extent).
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
May 28, 2014 - 09:50am PT
Lol. Oh the chief, you're such a ray of sunshine!

Shine on you crazy diamond.

DMT
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
May 28, 2014 - 09:51am PT
As much a ray of sunshine as you are, Dingus.


It seems that you would rather want everyone to drive around with cars driven on leaded gas with really bad gas mileage in a smog than to recognize the problem and trying to do something about it (which has been done to some extent).

Your science and technology should have thought about all that some 100 years ago when it presented and implemented it all to us, Phule.

What is to say that your science and technology that demands we do what you say we do now to save ourselves, will not be any worse that what it gave us 100 or so years ago that supposedly got us into this mess. All in the name of bettering humanity?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
May 28, 2014 - 10:14am PT
Chief Sunshine? No, I don't think so. I've never seen you post anything light hearted nor fun. Ever. Even if you try, it comes out angry.

Grrrrrrrrr! That's you.

DMT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
May 28, 2014 - 10:18am PT
Oh the chief, you're such a ray of sunshine!
chuff = werner ??
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
May 28, 2014 - 10:19am PT
Werner is playful, believe it or not. He casts his own unique shadow.

DMT
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
May 28, 2014 - 10:21am PT
There ya go again Dingus... presuming and assuming.


You indeed fit in with this lot.


Angry?


All cus I do not align nor subscribe to the jubberish you all want the rest of to accept?


Fascinating.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
May 28, 2014 - 10:25am PT
Mean, too.

DMT
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
May 28, 2014 - 10:31am PT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan

May 28, 2014 - 07:14am PT
Chief Sunshine? No, I don't think so. I've never seen you post anything light hearted nor fun. Ever. Even if you try, it comes out angry.

Grrrrrrrrr! That's you.

DMT

Most of the content in this thread is angry. Chief's animosity isn't unique.

The MO of many regulars is attack, attack, attack.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2014 - 10:36am PT
I see it is all about the chuff again.

Rob Ford is quietly going through his rehab these days so not much prime example of right wing narcissism there. This is pretty good though!

Joe The Plumber To UCSB Parents: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump' My Guns
B5kbofr2b64f5ad2v6j0 AP Photo / Al Goldis
TOM KLUDT Ė MAY 27, 2014, 11:32 AM EDT

Samuel Wurzelbacher gave his condolences this week to the families of the victims of the mass shooting near the University of California, Santa Barbara. But no tragedy is going to stop "Joe The Plumber" from defending the Second Amendment.

In an open letter published Tuesday on the website Barbwire, Wurzelbacher went out of his way to explain to the victims' parents that the deaths won't undermine his "Constitutional rights."

"I am sorry you lost your child. I myself have a son and daughter and the one thing I never want to go through, is what you are going through now," wrote Wurzelbacher, who became something of a mascot for John McCain's failed 2008 presidential campaign. "But: As harsh as this sounds Ė your dead kids donít trump my Constitutional rights."

Wurzelbacher singled out Richard Martinez, whose son Christopher was one of the six students killed by Elliot Rodger in Isla Vista, Calif. Since the deadly rampage, Martinez has twice railed against politicians and the National Rifle Association for the failure to pass new gun laws after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.

"There are no critical words for a grieving father. He can say whatever he wants and blame whoever heíd like Ė itís okay by me. You canít take a step in his shoes Ė at least I canít," Wurzelbacher wrote. "But the words and images of Mr. Martinez blaming 'the proliferation of guns', lobbyists, politicians, etc.; will be exploited by gun-grab extremists as are all tragedies involving gun violence and the mentally ill by the anti-Second Amendment Left."

Wurzelbacher added that he has a responsibility as a "father, husband and a man" to protect his family. Addressing Martinez directly, Wurzelbacher wrote that "anyone calling for more restrictions on Americanís rights need to back off and stop playing into the hands of the folks who merely capitalize on these horrific events for their own political ends."

Wurzelbacher closed with an admonition.

"In conclusion, I cannot begin to imagine the pain you are going through, having had your child taken away from you," he wrote. "However, any feelings you have toward my rights being taken away from me, lose those."

h/t RightWingWatch


Classic example. His perception of reality is precisely that of the Chuff. Batshit crazy, stupid, grounded in a childs emotional impulses and self serving.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
May 28, 2014 - 10:37am PT
Whereas the chief has spread his climate-joy across at least two boards for many, many years. His angry act is not an act and its not in response to supertopo antagonism.

DMT
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