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Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jan 6, 2015 - 12:05pm PT
Credit: Bob D'A
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jan 6, 2015 - 12:15pm PT
Please explain.

No thank you.

The only tie in I can see is an attempt to ignore the ramifications of the science.

I can ignore the science or not, it makes utterly no difference.

Ramifications of climate change, now there is something that can't be ignored. Or can it? (billions do so, every day)

DMT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2015 - 12:16pm PT
There is a sales job to be done here. Thus far that sales job has not been well executed. I'd imagine the last thing scientists want to be doing is a sales pitch, but when you want someone's money you've got to sell.

What has money got to do with this? Why does anybody need to sell something?

The problem is this: the leaders have the information on the science. But they are unwilling to rock the boat of those who got them into office. Take one look at the climate-change agenda of our new Congress.
How did they get into office anyway?



The issue of that AWG is not a money thing, people aren't trying to sell something to make a buck (unless you believe the propaganda that the scientists are twisting their results to continue their outrageous science grants).

With the cod incident, the scientists did their job. It was up to the community to listen to them, or not. They decided to listen only in as much as it did not disturb their way of life. In other words, they ignored the the warnings so they could continue their present living standards.

In their hindsight, do you think the leaders of those communities would have done things differently?


So, whose job is it to convince people that we have a real problem on our hands, and it's time to take real action so that we have a reasonable standard of living in the not-to-distant future?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jan 6, 2015 - 12:18pm PT
The problem is that AWG in not a money thing,

That right there is a problem - its ALL about money. It surprises me this is such a difficult thing to understand.

DMT
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 6, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
Thats because "the common people ' hearts and minds are shoved up their asses

Priceless.


OBTW, those people are in fact the majority and their Votes are the ones you all need to win over.

Keep up the good work at winning their votes. Yup, keep telling em their hearts and minds are shoved up their asses. That'll do it for sure.


HEY BOBDA, I thought your butt hurt azz was leaving. What was with that thread of yours???

Oh, I get it, just an attention getter to have the folks here stroke your whiney azz.



The issue of that AWG is not a money thing, people aren't trying to sell something to make a buck.

Then why are you all pushing this BS about Big Oil, Big Corporations, fossil fuels and such being the enemy?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 6, 2015 - 12:41pm PT
The denial is all about money.
And greed.
And selfishness.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 6, 2015 - 12:42pm PT
That right there is a problem - its ALL about money. It surprises me this is such a difficult thing to understand.

IFO don't understand you, and if that's surprising maybe your model is incorrect. What for instance does "its" mean to you, in that declaration?

Can't mean that Sierra granite is all about the money, Sierra granite don't care. Those geologists who study the Sierra, no doubt they need money, do you think they're such whores they'd say it was sandstone if that paid better?

If you insist it's all sandstone anyway, does that prove the geologists are bad salesmen, and had better improve their spiel to persuade you?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jan 6, 2015 - 12:42pm PT
The spice must flow.

DMT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2015 - 01:00pm PT
That right there is a problem - its ALL about money.

The economics of what to do about AWG is all about money, yes. But the selling of the AWG issue to the masses is not the problem of climate scientists.


Here's a analogy: Suppose you want to stay healthy and you go to your doctor every so often for a checkup. To understand what's up with your system, your doc orders you to get a blood panel.

You make an appointment and go. Your results return in a day or so and say you're good to go, or perhaps they reveal this or that.

The folks that do your blood work are not vested in the results they return, they aren't selling to you. You've already paid them, it's up to you (and your doctor) to decide if you want to do anything from there.

If your blood work doesn't look right, it's your doctor who must sell you on any further procedures you might need. Of course, you can see another doctor, or check his diagnosis. Perhaps you might even get another blood panel if the results look especially dire.

This can be directly related to climate science--it's been checked and rechecked.

So Dingus, when you say "when you want someone's money you've got to sell," understand that it's not the climate scientists who need to do the selling--they're not in business to increase sales.

But wonder about this: Why do climate scientists now feel that they must be the ones selling their results?

Certainly they know it's not their normal business to sell, much like the folks who do blood work know it's not their business to sell remedies based on the work they do.

So no, it's not a money thing.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 6, 2015 - 01:01pm PT
The issue of that AWG is not a money thing, people aren't trying to sell something to make a buck.

This Global AGW Research Complex has grown to immense proportions in the past decade alone. With it has come the multi-billion dollar Industry that has solutions to the remedy this end of the world theory.

Back in the 80', even early 90's, the population of Climate Scientist and federal funding for AGW research was minuscule compared to today.

If you can't see how this entire research industry monster has grown over the past decade, then you are the true denialist.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jan 6, 2015 - 01:03pm PT
The constitution does nothing to promote the consideration of External Costs.

AGW/CC : It's happening regardless of moneyed deniers, politics, opinions, inaccurate spokespersons, complainers, rationalizers, ...

Policy What to do about it : Is a money + political issue, with many possible choices, some of which are good ideas, such as a revenue neutral carbon tax in every country.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2015 - 01:08pm PT
With it has come the multi-billion dollar Industry that has solutions to the remedy this end of the world theory.


Have any good examples of the multi-billion dollar industries that are "selling" solutions?
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 6, 2015 - 01:09pm PT
CC is happening. Yes. But do not tell me and insist that I have to pay any tax in order to stop it and this theory of the world coming to an end that goes along with it. Because none of your science will ever stop the reality CC on planet earth.


The concept of neutral C02 emissions has no absolute that it will slow down or even cease the current rate of CC. CC has been happening since day one here on earth, regardless the current rate of temp increase. None of you and your science can prove that this climate behavior has NEVER occurred before in the past 500 million years. Not one of you.


Hell, your CC science can't even explain the sudden increase in temps at the turn of the last century from 1910-1940 (when human populations and emissions were 1/10 or less than today) that is pretty equal to the latest one from 1976-1998.


Have any good examples of the multi-billion dollar industries that are "selling" solutions?

Ah, yeah. The latest get together that CHILOE attended in SF... the AGU. Just look at the primary sponsors. Big Oil/Corporations leads the pack.

http://fallmeeting.agu.org/2014/general-information/thank-you-to-our-sponsors/
EdwardT

Gym climber
Discontent
Jan 6, 2015 - 01:17pm PT
The economics of what to do about AWG is all about money, yes. But the selling of the AWG issue to the masses is not the problem of climate scientists.

Selling the masses on AGW is the problem. The crux of the issue.

Until the masses are sold, the politicians won't touch it.



raymond phule

climber
Jan 6, 2015 - 01:17pm PT

None of you and your science can prove that this climate behavior has NEVER occurred before in the past 500 million years. Not one of you.

Are you saying that it existed humans (aliens?) that burned fossil fuels in the past 500 million years ago or that the dinosaurs or same other animals burned fossil fuels in those years?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jan 6, 2015 - 01:18pm PT
The economics of what to do about AWG is all about money, yes.

Progress!

But the selling of the AWG issue to the masses is not the problem of climate scientists.

Fine.

DMT
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 6, 2015 - 01:20pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://fallmeeting.agu.org/2014/general-information/thank-you-to-our-sponsors/

Look at all them Big Corps that you and the others here disdain so much.

Chevron
EXXON
Lockheed Martin (One of the biggest DOD Contractor of weapons)
Boeing Ditto
Bell Aerospace Ditto




Are you saying that it existed humans (aliens?) that burned fossil fuels in the past 500 million years ago or that the dinosaurs or same other animals burned fossil fuels in those years?

Ah, NO!

On the contrary. CC and sudden temp & C02 rises have come and gone long before any Coal fired PP or SUV showed up.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2015 - 01:27pm PT
Selling the masses on AGW is the problem. The crux of the issue.

Until the masses are sold, the politicians won't touch it.



So, whose problem is it to sell the masses and (more importantly) what are they waiting for?

Friends, the blood work is in.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 6, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
What did I supposedly insinuate?

The fact that this is turning in a multi-billion dollar industry?


Let's try this again.



Chevron
EXXON
Lockheed Martin (One of the biggest DOD Contractor of weapons)
Boeing Ditto
Bell Aerospace Ditto

http://fallmeeting.agu.org/2014/general-information/thank-you-to-our-sponsors/



Not one of those Wall Street Giants/Primary DOD Weapons Manufacturers would be sponsoring this AGW fantasy if there wasn't big money to be made.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jan 6, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
But wonder about this: Why do climate scientists now feel that they must be the ones selling their results?

Because the existing sales crew should be fired.

You need to understand; everybody's selling something; product, vision, dire warnings, scientific results, dreams... there's no shame it it. Its how the world works.

Want some grant money? Start selling.... Want someone to take note of your findings? Start selling... you know those blood work companies like Quest have large sales forces, right? W

DMT
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