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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 1, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
oh oh I know!

His religious kookiness?


what do I win?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 1, 2014 - 09:09pm PT
ROB FORD NEWS - Update

First day on the campaign after 2 months of drug and achohol rehab gets Rob a run in with guy out for a Jog. A quite angry and articulate jogger:

‘You don’t have to be some partisan maniac to be angry with this mayor’: Shirtless jogger explains why he heckled Rob Ford


An East York teacher dubbed the “shirtless jogger” became a minor online celebrity Tuesday after videos of him confronting Toronto Mayor Rob Ford went viral. Joe Killoran, 35, was halfway through a run when he saw the mayor marching in an East York Canada Day parade. Frustrated by Rob Ford’s refusal to answer media questions after his news conference Monday, Mr. Killoran approached the mayor, hurling questions about corruption and accusing him of being “a corrupt, lying, racist, homophobe.” Mayor Ford staffers tried to hand Mr. Killoran business cards and block him while Mr. Ford walked away without responding.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/01/you-dont-have-to-be-some-partisan-maniac-to-be-angry-with-this-mayor-shirtless-jogger-explains-why-he-heckled-rob-ford/

they interview the guy and the last thing he says is telling, and is pretty analogous to the behavior of Rick and various posers that treat the honorable profession of research science as this guy puts it just another Kardashian reality TV show, with them starring as the hyper inflated ego clawing his way to the top of the dog pile in some sand pit:

Is there anything else you’d like to say to the mayor?

Not really. But one thing that really bothers me most about the mayor is that I teach politics and I love politics and I think it can be a noble profession. I may have my own political views but I love when my students develop right wing or left wing or libertarian or whatever views they develop. He has debased the profession. A lot of students think of politics as like an episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashians. I’m not even kidding. They think it’s another tawdry reality show. He has done harm in that way from his own selfishness.

A fitting twist to his story when the joe shmoe's start turning on him with pitch forks after so much damage, perhaps the same beginning finally to unfold with climate politics
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 1, 2014 - 10:17pm PT
Kind of out the loop here guys. I've been on solo framing duty of my little vacation home project in my spare time, which included the last three rainy days. On a side note, I know it doesn't have any global implications ,but it snowed six times over the month of June in the Talkeetnas from elevations from 2000 up to 4000 feet. It snows every month of the year up here in alaska but six times in June is unusual.

Looks like the climate blogosphere is all excited about discovery of fudging in the official government u.s and global temperature records. I don't know why this is a surprise since everyone paying attention already knew they were artificially cooling the past and inflating the temp of the contemporary. Perhaps their is now enough criminal evidence for indictment. Any thoughts on this Chiloe, Ed, Ht, or Rob Fords biggest fan Bruce?

By the way has anyone done a recent welfare check on old Brucie lately? Judging by the rate of babble issuing from his piehole and the fact that the only one listening is himself, it would seem he is off the deep end, perhaps suffering from dt's

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 1, 2014 - 10:40pm PT
A touch of heat stroke Rick. Too hot to climb actually, even in the shade. I'm heading up to 7000 feet tomorrow to see if its any cooler.... thanks for your concern.

You however should stay fit with that framing hammer. All your investment in your retirement career as Wassila corespondent for Wattsupwiththat.com is likely to go as flat as your mine tailings scheme, unless you can attract more of Rons Militiamen with some gun content. Maybe you could spot a Russian invasion from your house or something. I hear even that Cowboy Joe Miller has started whining about the Meskeg melting or something. Anyway like I said I'm sure your kid will go easy on you with not too much time down in the excavation with the deisel soaked form panels while the October sleet sets in.

Me? I'll be drinking that one finger by the fire in your honor
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 1, 2014 - 10:49pm PT
Don't mention it Bruce, thats what freinds are for. Are you going all the way to seven without oxygen, just that camel back full of rot gut? Watch out for avalanches amigo, it could be that pasty white stuff Ford.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 1, 2014 - 10:50pm PT
Perhaps their is now enough criminal evidence for indictment.

the last time you thought there might be you were woefully off...
and the attorney general of Sketch's state whiffed on all counts,
then he failed in his bid to be governor... apparently the voters didn't see it his way

it's not like your compatriots haven't cried "criminal!" before, rick, and every time they do, they seem not to have even one indictment, let alone a conviction.

my thoughts? you are barking up the wrong tree.. or perhaps you are just barking mad...

that's my opinion at least, my attempts at explaining the science to you haven't been at all rewarding.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 1, 2014 - 11:04pm PT
No need to get your hackles up Ed, it was just a little jokey-poo. We all know these guys are as slippery as snakes in a mud pit.

Don't sell yourself short, you did a damned good job of science education. I have some of your graphs and lessons permanently committed to memory. I found the " the anthropogenoc signal is rather feeble compared to the range of natural variation", quote quite educational.

We should go new routing in the northern nevada desert next fall.


raymond phule

climber
Jul 2, 2014 - 12:10am PT

You seem to be saying we shouldn't recognize Easterbrook, since we did not experience cooling, as he predicted.

No, I am not saying that. What I said were that you almost always interpret the global warming side in the worst possible way in regard to details while you don't care about any details if it came from a denier.

You interpret what Easterbrook says in a way that make him look that he might have a point even though that it is not what he says. If for example Nutichelli (spelling?????) had said the same things you would have screamed liar and discussed his lies for many pages.

I don't recognise Easterbrook because he obviously use fake graphs and says things that are not true. Kind of strange that he says that he was right when he wasn't.

I know that you and the other readers of whatsupwiththat don't care about details like that.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 2, 2014 - 04:20am PT
Raymond - Again, how much warming/cooling have we experienced since 2001?
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 2, 2014 - 04:51am PT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH

Jul 1, 2014 - 06:23pm PT

There's been less air warming, and more ocean warming, than the mean of most models in earlier IPCC reports projected. But it you'd been paying any attention or could think for yourself you would know that, and much more on the topic, rather than still barfing this up as if it were a smart talking point.

I asked how much. You respond with a vague "less". And then make some condescending insults.

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH

Jul 1, 2014 - 06:27pm PT

This is your cooling? Can I guess you never did look up the definition of "statistical significance"? Or learn what "cherry picking" means?

Look at you. More insults. You question the cooling even though I didn't claim there was cooling. Then you start preaching about "statistical significance" and "cherry picking".

Pretty funny coming from someone who explained the difference between the temperature record and IPCC models as "less".

I didn't cherry pick. I used 2001 because Easterbrook made his prediction in 2000.

Last week your wrote a criticism of my behavior on this site. And now, here you are... taking the low road... even though I've said nothing derogatory to you.

Is it only bad behavior when the other guys do it?
raymond phule

climber
Jul 2, 2014 - 05:07am PT

Look at you. More insults.

How can you read that as an insult?

My answer to your question. There has been no statistical significant cooling or warming during that time period and nothing suggest that it has been any cooling, shorter winters, less arctic sea ice, warming of the oceans, record warm in most records after 2000, quite warm now, to name a few things.

If he made his prediction in 2000 I would think that we should look at the trend from 2000 and 2001.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 2, 2014 - 05:19am PT
Has the IPCC been more accurate in their temperature predictions?
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 2, 2014 - 05:28am PT
Shorter Winters?



I'm not sure, but I think some of the Great Lakes set a record for latest seasonal ice in 2014.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 2, 2014 - 05:38am PT
Time for a little light humor.

raymond phule

climber
Jul 2, 2014 - 06:24am PT

Has the IPCC been more accurate in their temperature predictions?

I am not sure because I don't know what predictions Easterbrook actually made. IPCC don't fake their graphs though. His graph (maybe it is his prediction show that the temperature around 2010 should be at the 1980 level if I remember correctly. I don't think that is true.

I really don't know how to measure length of winters in square kilometers like your graph show. Can you explain?

What I meant with shorter winters is that it is a clear decreasing trends in snow cover in the spring.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 2, 2014 - 06:40am PT
Looks like the climate blogosphere is all excited about discovery of fudging in the official government u.s and global temperature records.
Hah, the pseudoscience bloggers did get all excited. If you kept reading even in that hall of mirrors, AW has already learned that every one of his accusations is false; he's been backpedaling to find something else. But you stopped reading even your own bloggers before that?
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 2, 2014 - 07:00am PT
In 2000 (I think that's the correct year), Easterbrook said:

“For the next 20 years, I predict global cooling of about 3/10ths of a degree Fahrenheit, as opposed to the one-degree warming predicted by the IPCC,”

From the first IPCC Assessment report:

"Based on current models, we predict: under [BAU] increase of global mean temperature during the [21st] century of about 0.3 oC per decade"

True, snow cover doesn't equal Winter length. But there is a correlation. About the same as late Spring snow cover.

Do you have more definitive proof of shorter Winters.

raymond phule

climber
Jul 2, 2014 - 07:08am PT

True, snow cover doesn't equal Winter length. But there is a correlation. About the same as late Spring snow cover.

Really? Snow cover in the middle of the winter has the same correlation with winter length as spring snow cover?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 2, 2014 - 07:20am PT
Sketch you are patheitc. find the data yourself .

Better yet answer the question you are too gutless to adress:

What evidence exists that the institutional science cannot bec trusted?

You will note that Sumner is also too gutless to answer, so take solace that at least you are one of many too gutless.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 2, 2014 - 07:27am PT
Regarding winter length, I would guess you'd want to consider early season snow cover. Just eyeballing the Northern Hemisphere Snow Cover Anomalies of October, November and December, it seems there's been an increase in early snowfall. But this issue is secondary to overall global temps.

Again, has the IPCC been more accurate in their temperature predictions?
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