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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 6, 2014 - 02:30pm PT
The stupidity, ignorance, and complete lack of critical thinking skills displayed by folks on this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad that those folks get to vote.

They seem to think their opinion based on ignorance and misinformation is just as valid as expert understanding based on a lifetime of study and investigation.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 6, 2014 - 02:35pm PT
Vote and breed...some have spawn.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 6, 2014 - 02:42pm PT
well CHEF go ahead and assume anything you want...have a nice day.
kpinwalla2

Social climber
WA
Mar 6, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
This - the straight poop...

http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static-assets/exec-office-other/climate-change-full.pdf
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Mar 6, 2014 - 03:25pm PT
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula

Mar 5, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
Whatever you think of Snopes' analysis (and it's bullshit to me--"create" and "invent" are nearly, if not completely, synonymous in the context of the quote), it sure isn't black-and-white that any reputable "fact checker" could simply label as true or false.

Did Steve Jobs create the iPhone?

Yes. Sorta, at least.
From a quick search, I see he's a named inventor on at least one of the design patents that was at issue in the famous Apple v. Samsung patent wars. (A design patent protects a device's appearance, rather than its functionality, so maybe he just invented the way they look or looked, not sure about that.)
See design patent D504,889. I also see Jobs is a named inventor on scores of Apple patents, but I don't know which ones may relate to iPhones. (If anyone has an iPhone and is curious, he or she can check to see if the packaging includes a list of patents--they frequently do--and we can cross check.)

No patents issued to your hero Al Gore, but that's fine, he didn't really claim to have invented the Internet (just to have "created" it), and if you don't like that, well some guy who maybe did create the Internet thinks Al's swell, and he did popularize (but not "invent" or "create") the term "Information Superhighway" (which has now been unpopularized), and you're all just a bunch of meanies for picking on such a great guy who's just trying to save the world form GLOBAL WARMING (and make more-than-a-few million in the process as in influence peddler).

And you would have us read your version of "Snopes" to figure out what's going on with the climate? LMFAO!!
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Mar 6, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
Everyone knows Jobs stole the iPhone design from Sony...



Just like we all know Jobs stole iOS from Xerox.

Not quite everyone--someone forget to tell the frekaing judge and jury that gave Apple hundreds of millions in damages based on those patents!!
(But yeah, in reality, the judge and jury likely are idiots, at least as far as patents/technology/industrial design are concerned.)

I'm not even really sure what Kos was getting at--just tried to answer his questions as, for better or worse, the USPTO has seen fit to quality me to represent patent (and trademark) applicants before it.

BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Mar 6, 2014 - 05:04pm PT
Kpinwalla,

Yes. On a topic as hot as this one, with a massive amount of research going on, the National Academy of Sciences is the best synopsis of science that you will find. They put out their first statement saying that climate was changing, and that change was caused by humans, in 2005 or something.

Since then, the evidence has been mounting and the science is better. The people who oppose this science tend to fall into groups with similar political philosophies. That is stupid, because mother nature doesn't ask you which primary you can vote in.

The methods that I see used by opponents TENDS (not everybody) to be similar in various political groups..

1) The climate isn't warming in almost all areas.

2) OK. The climate is warming, but it is natural variability.

3) CO2 is not causing global warming, and its levels are not rising

4) OK. CO2 does cause global warming, but it all comes from volcanoes. It doesn't come from humans burning fuels.

There are more, and you will often see people using more than one of the methods described above, even if they are inconsistent with each other.

5) You have the angry ignorant. You know the type. They don't like science at all, and just post insulting Memes and Photoshop jobs, accompanied by ad hominem attacks.

On the Climate Change side, you can also see wrongful interpretations of the science. Kind of like the Keystone Pipeline.

Ha ha. The Ed Show is on in the background at this very moment and he is crying about the danger to the aquifer. I want to slap my forehead. He just fumbled the name of the Ogallala Aquifer. I'm sitting on that aquifer right now.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 6, 2014 - 05:14pm PT
Sitting on it or over it? There is only one way to tell... are your pants getting wet?

My favorite is: 7) Doesn't matter if climate is changing or not. There is nothing puny humans can do to change the Earth. If anyone even suggests reducing our adverse impacts it is fear mongering and anyone who agrees we should reduce our adverse impacts is a mindless conformist.... BECAUSE I SAID SO.


Awesome sketch... another cherry picked local weather report to dispute climate change... that one never gets old. Straight from "wattsupwiththat" complete with two legends, both of which contain shades of gray.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 6, 2014 - 05:20pm PT
So what needs to be done, Weschrist?

What's your plan to deal with the climate problems?

So far, I haven't seen an effective plan put forward by anybody.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 6, 2014 - 05:31pm PT
What climate "problems?" The climate has changed throughout Earth's history. There are no problems.

Until someone can formulate a 30 sec soundbite that clearly explains every aspect of Earth's climate/energy system and proves with absolute certainty that there is a "problem," there is NOTHING we can or should do.

And we certainly shouldn't impose economic hardship on BigCorps who innocently make billions from government subsidies of fossil fuels.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 6, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
Love it when the fools say no global warming for 17 years.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 6, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
Looks like quite a bit to me Sketch.

Do you know why we use trend lines?

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Mar 6, 2014 - 06:22pm PT
Hey ,Sketch,-9f this morning,a record.
46f predicted for friday,Do you think that is normal?

Enjoy the rain down there.



This could be something.
http://energy.gov/articles/space-based-solar-power

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Mar 6, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
You do have that right.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 6, 2014 - 06:46pm PT
Still looks like quite a bit of warming in GISS and Hadcrut, Sketch.

Maybe you can explain your point?



And of course, the difference is because GISS includes all the Arctic, and Hadcrut does not.

The Arctic has warmed much more rapidly during the 'pause' than the rest of the planet.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 6, 2014 - 06:49pm PT
Since you seem interested in Hadcrut, Sketch, here is the Hadcrut version.

Look like lots of warming to me even with that huge jump at the start of the 'pause'.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 6, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
LOL, hadcrut3.

Come on Sketch, it's a brave new world. Work with the latest modern datasets.
WBraun

climber
Mar 6, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
The entire present day climate change is a product of an indirect and direct Geoengineering by stupid mankind .......
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 6, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
Hey Sketch, how come your Hadcrut3 'pause' has a massive jump at the start?



Enough of this, off to climb.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 6, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
Wow. You've got the sarcastic victim schtick down. Impressive.

I learned it by watching you. Whine some more about that bill of sale the Global Climate Cartel has been ramming down your throat.
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