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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 12, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
"My backyard"?


Dude, that thing is some 180 miles to the north of me.


Get a grip.


My mistake dude. I keep forgetting you are a tribal xenophobe holed up some dry wash in the whites
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 12, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
Lets talk about ethics Bruce. Tear yourself away from the horror show of that green tech laden stock portfolio of yours long enough to concentrate.Now Larry and his compatriots all agree that this is 97.1% consensus science with a 95% certainty of current and future adverse climatic conditions as a result of anthro CO2 release, right? Well, assuming the truth of that why are huge sums of limited funding still being granted for study of a consensus surety? Wouldn't ethics and morality dictate that Larry and crew shift gears from study to appled science of solving such things as the intermittancy/storage problems of wind and solar even if it meant that the notariety and funding he's enjoying would diminish since it would go to the hard sciences of physics, engineering, geology, etc and not to soft sciences like sociology , of which many studies have been conducted on identifying the stupidities of the populace in not comprehending that black is white and up is down in all things AGW? If this ethical disconnect could be corrected it might just help the green tech stocks, humanity in general, and your own ethics, I mean portfolio.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 12, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
My mistake dude. I keep forgetting you are a tribal xenophobe holed up some dry wash in the whites.

Sure em. And the non-stop view is horrendous. This one from last nights sunset.

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 12, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
Great game in Foxborough MA yesterday, terrible weather for January in MA, rain... and warm too..
how fickle the weather...
Yeah, we've gone from -14F a week ago to rain & fog last night and a windy, melting mess today. Don't think this has much to do with climate change but it keeps life interesting. We *might* put on spikes to go hiking this afternoon, but it's windy enough that branches could be falling.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 12, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
Hows the weather here? Cold as crap last night as the winds were at 60 mph and the power was out all night long until this am..

Perhaps the ocean let loose with that .06 of a degree causing a huge wind event..
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 12, 2014 - 01:43pm PT
You're right Rick. Its dumb to continue improving the modeling with an every increasing base of knowledge and evidence. I suggest we stop learning because our certainty is "good enough". Chiloe should instead begin doing stuff that is not within his field of expertise. Damn its a good thing you're here to provide balance.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 12, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
Yes Rick ,explain ethics for us delusional utopians.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 12, 2014 - 02:03pm PT



But then, because we are so nice, we keep putting them back instead of throwing them on the barbie!
TLP

climber
Jan 12, 2014 - 02:23pm PT
...why are huge sums of limited funding still being granted for study of a consensus surety?
There are plenty of good reasons, some of which have already been stated clearly above.
1. There's a continued political onslaught of lavishly funded opposition to the science itself, which is free speech even though it's inaccurate. The only reasonable way to counter that is to improve the science more and more.
2. The scientific community continues to reveal inaccuracies in how the modeling predicts what happens in specific places (see Santer et al. - great paper), which although they are relatively small ought to be corrected.
3. Getting the modeling as quantitatively, spatially, and temporally accurate as can be achieved is really important to the other, totally separate, social/political/economic question of what should anybody do? For example, if we knew with a very high degree of certainty that the sea level were going to rise a meter in one or two decades, talk about emissions becomes moot for low-lying cities like Miami, New York, many Asian cities, etc. Those places (cities and countries) would be well advised to start immediately to design and implement better defenses. If you had an accurate forecast that it would take 150 years for the sea level to rise that much, you wouldn't spend the billions that would require right away.

It's really important to get your mind around the idea that there's figuring out the science, and there's the completely separate political process of response. I'd have to believe that seismic scientists in Japan probably had an idea of the size of tsunami that could have reasonably been expected on their east coast. But presumably the population and decision makers figured they were just alarmists and it would be fine to build a nuclear power plant where it would be swamped and possibly melt down. Or maybe there was a open discussion, and the scientists said, well, we're not sure if it's X percent likely within 10 or 30 years, and it could be 20 feet high or 23 feet, or maybe 40; so the "alarmism" was ignored.

A similar question is why the entities that work so hard to convince people that the science is not good aren't doing any (or hardly any) publication-worthy research themselves. (Meaning, sufficiently rigorous to get through peer review.)
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 12, 2014 - 02:28pm PT
I could have sworn that Rick Sumners just offered to lead a discussion in ethics.....
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 12, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
" There's a continued political onslaught of lavishly funded opposition to the science itself"


Really,Tell us more.
Credit: wilbeer
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 12, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
DINGUS!!

You are such a Fence Straddler and even worse, a flaming internet KISS ASS!

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1386860&tn=19880


Unfkingbelievble.... Downright disgusting dude.


Seriously.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jan 12, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
It's been warm around here, Rong. A gusty night (in a gusty place) and now it's the chill of winter? Geeze. I remember you crowing about what an early ski season it was too! Go tell it to the resorts! Tell it to all the bummed skiers while you're at it.

Meanwhile, I've been climbing like it is spring while you PC++.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 12, 2014 - 05:20pm PT
No 'polar vortex' here: Record heat grips Australia killing thousands of animals

Published time: January 09, 2014 22:17
Edited time: January 10, 2014 12:40 Get short URL




While the US is stricken by freezing cold, Australia is suffering a record heat with temperatures approaching 50C (122F) in some parts of the country and leaving thousands of animals dead.

A wave of stifling heat started began around Christmas and continues to move counterclockwise across Australia's north and into the south. The latest scorcher comes on the heel of Australia’s hottest year on record.

High temperatures are now shifting into Western Australia, with large areas being “under extreme heatwave to severe heatwave.”

"Certainly looking at the forecast over the next week, it's looking like that heat is going to continue," Karly Braganza of the Bureau of Meteorology has told the AP.

Already in January, 10 heatwave conditions are expected to expand eastwards and reach parts of South Australia.

Since December 27, temperature records have been set at 34 locations across Australia, according to the Bureau.

With the absence of monsoon rains in Australia's north last summer the entire continent endured its hottest year since records began in 1910, the Bureau of Meteorology said last week. The late arrival of the monsoon in northern Australia, which has a cooling effect, is contributing to the extreme heat, Braganza said, adding that global warming also has a role in this.

The soaring temperatures have caused death and illness for thousands of animals across the country.

Bats are said to be dropping from trees en masse and kangaroos are collapsing.

"It's an enormous animal welfare concern," Louise Saunders, president of the Queensland animal welfare group Bat Conservation and Rescue told AP.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 12, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
While were waiting for Rick Sumner to finish researching ethics I'd like to encourage you all (especially Canadians if that is possible) to contribute to this worthy petition:


Rob Ford Honourary U.S. Citizen Petition Not Getting Much Support
CP | By The Canadian Press

WASHINGTON - A petition to make Rob Ford an honourary U.S. citizen hasn't garnered much support so far.

The petition appears on the White House website under the headline: "Proclaim Robert Bruce 'Rob' Ford, the 64th Mayor of Toronto, An Honorary Citizen of the Unites States of America."

Four people had signed it by Sunday afternoon.



I can't understand why my petition hasn't caught on but perhaps my advertising time slot during morning cartoons couldn't compete with the usual sugary cereals for my target audiences's 3 second attention span. Ron? Sketch? Waddaya say guys?

Chuff? I think you guys would hit it off awesome
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 12, 2014 - 09:24pm PT
Credit: rick sumner

Sorry boys and girls. Instead of jawboning about increased emmisions of CO2 i was out doing something about, one little bastard emmitter at a time.Sauteed with mushrooms, oinions, wine, butter, and on a bed of brown rice, Chukar make a most delicious meal. The scenery is magnificient out here in the great basin.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 12, 2014 - 09:39pm PT
Well Rick, as you were blasting the brains off of poor unsuspecting birds I hope you were at least thinking about ethics.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 12, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 12, 2014 - 11:07pm PT
Sorry Rick...Rons already hunted that area out...
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 12, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
You see Rick? If even TGT can research, I'm sure you also can find some old 1960's era Readers Digest article on ethics. Or have you ever heard of Google?
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