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EdwardT

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Retired
Mar 7, 2015 - 10:11am PT
Meanwhile Arctic ice area is well below normal, especially in the Bering Sea and Sea of Okhotsk. That could easily change with new storms moving in, and perhaps still some weeks before melt season.

After a strong minimum in 2014, I was hoping to see a strong maximum. The recent maximum looks exceptionally weak. It will be interesting to see how next six months play out.
jonnyrig

climber
Mar 9, 2015 - 01:02pm PT
https://medium.com/@writingben/a-disease-of-scienceyness-7b5571a34953
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 9, 2015 - 02:23pm PT
Interesting note, jr. It's written around a rant by Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams, who evidently complained about "science" without being clear what he means. The writer, more thoughtfully, tries to sort this out.

Around the middle of the article, Adams finally asks a question that shows where his problem really originates. It’s a problem many of us share: “How is a common citizen supposed to know when science is ‘done’ and when it is halfway to done — which is the same as being wrong?”

How indeed? In the scientific journal papers I read, I rarely (if ever) encounter a scientist who claims anything like “this topic is now closed.” For one thing, such bald-faced egotism would be career suicide in the scientific community — and for another, a claim like that would fly in the face of the whole spirit of scientific work, which is founded on the ongoing aim of (as Adams himself writes), “being more right over time and fixing what it got wrong.”

If scientists themselves aren’t making claims like this, then where are they coming from? Who’s selling people like Adams the ideas that all carbs are inherently dangerous; that they should drink 10 liters of water a day; and all manner of other unproven nonsense; as if it’s scientifically proven?

The root of the problem

Twenty years ago, we could’ve just blamed pop-science journalists and left it at that. And while overblown science headlines are still a major aspect of the problem, many of your friends and relatives — and most likely, even you — are now implicated in this onslaught of misinformation.

"Even you" are implicated because you're reposting crap on Facebook, etc. Fair enough, but more relevant here might be another seemingly limitless source of scienceyness -- the pseudoscience bloggers who feed so many people the talking points they yearn to hear and repeat.
jonnyrig

climber
Mar 9, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
yes, I saw that and thought it was pretty damn funny. and reposted it regardless, maybe because of it. in and of itself, though, it's not a scientific paper, soooo... I feel exonerated from any liability to entertain such sciency truthiness.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 9, 2015 - 03:04pm PT
To be clear, by "even you" I was quoting the article, not pointing fingers at jr. :-)
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 9, 2015 - 05:07pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2015/03/09/if-all-you-see-1424/
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Mar 9, 2015 - 08:10pm PT
Credit: Craig Fry
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 9, 2015 - 08:13pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2015/03/08/if-all-you-see-1423/
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 9, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
Craig that makes it look like a new dark age descending.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Mar 9, 2015 - 10:01pm PT
^ localized to the USA
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Mar 11, 2015 - 05:58am PT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Mar 11, 2015 - 06:30am PT
But this is where we are today. The science is in, it’s extremely clear, and the consensus among climate scientists is solid. If your political stance is based on nonsense, and you’re called out, all you can rely on is doubling down, making lots of noise over nothing, or making increasingly embarrassing stunts. You certainly can’t rely on reality, because you’ve long since left that behind.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/03/11/climate_change_denial_anti_reality_mongers_are_in_trouble.html
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 11, 2015 - 06:44am PT
Denial anti-reality mongers?

Falling fast?

Oh my. Let's amp up the hateful rhetoric.

EPA chief Gina McCarthy recently demonstrating an exceptionally poor grasp climate change science.

Last week, Swiss citizens voted on an initiative that would have scrapped the Alpine country’s value-added-tax system and replaced it with a carbon tax, a move that would have made gasoline, heating oil and other forms of power more expensive. The measure was supported by 8% of the voters.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Mar 11, 2015 - 06:52am PT
Oh my. Let's amp up the hateful rhetoric.

Darwinism in action.

DMT



EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 11, 2015 - 06:58am PT
It's all about moving the conversation forward.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 11, 2015 - 08:48am PT
It's all about moving the conversation forward.

With lots of snide one-liners.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 11, 2015 - 09:14am PT

just moving the conversation forward
just moving the conversation forward
Credit: 97% willie soon
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 11, 2015 - 09:15am PT
the Honorable Senator Sessions in TGT's link above gets many things wrong, but interestingly he claims that the recent temperatures are 90% below the model projections... now I don't expect the Senator to have any idea what a 90% Confidence Interval is, but apparently no one on his staff does, either, and whatever blog they poached the false "factoid" from also didn't have an idea.

But the Senator certainly has a trollish wit about him on this topic... and he knows how to read his lines with conviction... but acting convincing isn't the same thing as being convincing.

Who's clueless? he has no idea what it is he's saying.



I'd ask EdwardT what he thinks a 90% Confidence Interval is, but he'd probably just ask a snarky question back...
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 11, 2015 - 09:21am PT
I'd ask EdwardT what he thinks a 90% Confidence Interval is, but he'd probably just ask a snarky question back...

Another close call averted.

"The ’climate modelling paradigm’ is in ’crisis’. It is just a new paradigm we are waiting for."
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Mar 11, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
2 ^ "Threat from both global cooling & warming peddled in UN report".
E Munster et al. 8 March 2015. Retrieved.


Cape Cod MA USA  march 10 2015
Cape Cod MA USA march 10 2015
Credit: dave729





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