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Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Mar 23, 2015 - 06:16pm PT
Carbon Tax need calculated [+ revenue neutral]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/mar/18/fossil-fuels-are-way-more-expensive-than-you-think

http://www.skepticalscience.com/fossil-fuels-way-more-expensive-than-you-think.html

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:27pm PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/business/deep-freeze-on-great-lakes-halts-cargo-shipments.html?_r=0

Hey, it's spring !

Isn't it?
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Mar 23, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
Have you been a good citizen and asked what to do with the mentally ill
people that believe global warming is killing us?

This thread supplies stark evidence that pro global warming propaganda is
driving the dim witted completely nuts.

Should we find a cure or just enjoy the show?

Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Mar 24, 2015 - 06:50am PT
Gulf Stream Slowing Down Faster Than Ever: Blame It On Climate Change
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/41758/20150324/gulf-stream-slowing-down-faster-than-ever-blame-it-on-climate-change.htm
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nclimate2554.pdf
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Mar 25, 2015 - 09:38am PT
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/03/climate_change_in_the_himalayas_peer_pressure_and_voluntary_actions_in_paris.html
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 25, 2015 - 11:37am PT
Damn scientists, don't know shet!!!

http://www.takepart.com/article/2015/03/24/atlantic-ocean-current-overturning-circulation-historic-slowdown-climate-change?cmpid=ait-fb


Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Mar 25, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
Anthropogenic warming has increased drought risk in California
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/02/23/1422385112.abstract

Climate change and California drought in the 21st century
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/03/19/1503667112.extract?sid=ce1ed877-f937-4453-acf4-104ed219c91e
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 25, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2015/03/25/if-all-you-see-1440/
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2015 - 02:13pm PT
Oy, from Malemute's second link above:


Extract

Climate science has advanced over decades from an initial focus on the development and use of numerical models of Earth’s climate and compilation of rich networks of observational data, to now being in a position to “detect” and “attribute” specific impacts and events to anthropogenic climate change. Recent analyses have thus established the “fingerprint” of anthropogenic climate change in an increasingly diverse array of meteorological and hydrological phenomena around the world, from heat waves to coastal damages during extreme tides and storms, flooding from more intense precipitation events, and severe drought (1).

In a new study published in PNAS, Diffenbaugh et al. now add weight to the accumulating evidence that anthropogenic climatic changes are already influencing the frequency, magnitude, and duration of drought in California (2). The authors show that the increasing co-occurrence of dry years with warm years raises the risk of drought despite limited evidence of a trend in precipitation itself, highlighting the critical role of elevated temperatures in altering water availability and increasing overall drought intensity and impact.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Mar 26, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
I think we'll wait and see.

I don't think Deniers Jail is in the near future, either.

DMT
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Mar 26, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
Actually we in Cali are not waiting at all,
since we have numerous unilateral rules in this state,
which is a costly and ineffective method compared to national+international policy agreements.

 Bullet train to nowhere - being justified as green transport (mainly just green for the pockets of the commission).
 Carbon trading charges.
 Green energy electricity mandates for power companies - Exxxpensive electricity.
 Local rules on carbon reduction, such as new home sale rules requiring home mods.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 27, 2015 - 07:19am PT
flip-flop, count me in, guys... why didn't you just explain earlier that global warming, oops, i mean climate change would lower the price hookers charge?


https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/29


seriously, you gotta read it to believe it

so, according to this liberal congresswoman, women are so helpless their only means for survival in the climate apocalypse will be prostitution...hey ladies, better find yourself a red state, climate denyin' nra member to protect you


why do climate changers hate women so much?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 27, 2015 - 08:18am PT
actually it's an interesting read... I'd recommend it
http://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/29

not sure where the "hate" comes in though.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 27, 2015 - 08:20am PT
Whereas food insecure women with limited socioeconomic resources may be vulnerable to situations such as sex work, transactional sex, and early marriage that put them at risk for HIV, STIs, unplanned pregnancy, and poor reproductive health;

Interesting read? It's absurd.

Let's pass a resolution* to provide additional considerations for women, in the event the planet becomes a desert wasteland. Brilliant.

* Thanks Ed.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 27, 2015 - 08:47am PT
I think it's a resolution, not a law, and the intent is to resolve to include more women in policy creation, which on the whole would be a good thing.

It does seem to be a troll to get conservative men to respond... which seems to be working even on this forum....
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 27, 2015 - 08:48am PT
"not sure where the "hate" comes in though"

i know you're just playing dumb, ed, but i'll play along

see, every time a conservative suggests something outrageous like...

the reason why there are fewer women scientists might be because fewer women are interested in becoming scientists

or, women in college should avoid getting wasted at a frat party because it could make them an easy target for sexual assault

or, a major cause of poverty and crime in the black community is the lack of two-parent families and the lack of positive male figures in childrens' lives

or, social security needs to be reformed

or, we should try eliminate fraud in the medicare system

or, we should require people on welfare to work


you libs claim we "hate" women, black people, old people, poor people, etc.; so, if since that's how you define hate, i thought it would be helpful to point out whenever a lib says something "hate"-ful
crunch

Social climber
CO
Mar 27, 2015 - 08:56am PT
The climate is changing and if it continues to do so the effects will fall unfairly on the third world, the poor, women and children. Pretty unassailable logic:

"Whereas women will disproportionately face harmful impacts from climate change,
particularly in poor and developing nations where women regularly assume
increased responsibility for growing the family's food and collecting
water, fuel, and other resources;"

[as a result]
"food-insecure women with limited socioeconomic resources may be
vulnerable to situations such as sex work, transactional sex, and early
marriage that put them at risk for HIV, STIs, unplanned pregnancy, and
poor reproductive health;"

"Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring),
That Congress--
(1) recognizes the disparate impacts of climate change on
women and the efforts of women globally to address climate
change;

"(5) affirms its commitment to empower women to have a voice
in the planning, design, implementation, and evaluation of
strategies to address climate change so that their roles and
resources are taken into account;"

Fine sentiment. Not sure if this has any practical value or worth beyond a brave attempt at a counterpoint to the Senate and Senator Inhofe:

"I take my religion seriously," Inhofe writes. "[T]his is what a lot of alarmists forget: God is still up there, and He promised to maintain the seasons and that cold and heat would never cease as long as the earth remains."

"The arrogance of people to think that we, human beings, would be able to change what He is doing in the climate is to me outrageous,"
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Mar 27, 2015 - 10:41am PT
The climate is changing and if it continues to do so the effects will fall unfairly on the third world, the poor, women and children. Pretty unassailable logic:

Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon, thinks all the third world needs is more fossil fuel to get out of their dilemma. Look up his talk with the Foreign Relations Council. He's right out of a John Wayne movie, but the speech is 2012 I think. I just reviewed it yesterday. The good stuff starts at 45 minutes I think.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Mar 27, 2015 - 08:53pm PT
Bullshit from Texas
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/03/19/ted_cruz_stream_of_global_warming_denial_on_seth_meyers_show.html
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 28, 2015 - 07:48am PT

Phil Plait seems like a bit of a kneejerk hysteric. There's nothing wrong with Cruz's quote. The problem comes from what people read into it. People like the aggro, hysterical Phil Plait.

I just came back from New Hampshire where there’s snow and ice everywhere. - True

And my view actually is simple: Debates on this should follow science, and should follow data. - I agree

And many of the alarmists on global warming, they got a problem cuz the science just doesn’t back them up. And in particular, satellite data demonstrates that the last 17 years there’s been zero warming. - True

I did a little research on this one. Using (just) RSS date, I plotted OLS trend lines from 97-'04 to the present. As you can see, one slopes up, three are flat and four slope down.





It’s why—you remember how it used to be called global warming and then magically the theory changed to climate change? The reason is it wasn’t warming, but the computer models still say it is, except the satellites show it’s not.

I looked and didn't find anything to prove or disprove his claim. From my subjective perspective, it did seem like "global warming" was replaced by "climate change" after temps went sideways for a few years.

One last thing. I don't like Ted Cruz. I commented on this because I also don't like how warmists try to demonize anyone who talks AGW heresy.
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