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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2014 - 10:12pm PT
Say Sketch, thanks's for that viewpoint from an ExxonMobile-funded "scientist":


According to the News Journal, "the Union of Concerned Scientists published a study listing Legates among several scientists it described as 'familiar spokespeople from ExxonMobil-funded organizations' that have regularly taken stands or sponsored reports questioning the science behind climate change warnings."[12] Legates is a senior scientist of the Marshall Institute,[13] a research fellow with the Independent Institute,[14] and an adjunct scholar of the Competitive Enterprise Institute,[15] all of which have received funding from ExxonMobil.[16][17]

From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Legates#Other_affiliations



Will you wither away now?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 26, 2014 - 10:20pm PT

Can't point to and name the "errors" in the data, Rick?

then apologize to everyone for being a LIAR

do it, apologize
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2014 - 10:37pm PT
Thanks for that contribution TGT:

Publishers withdraw more than 120 gibberish papers

Among the works were, for example, a paper published as a proceeding from the 2013 International Conference on Quality, Reliability, Risk, Maintenance, and Safety Engineering, held in Chengdu, China.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 26, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
apologize, Rick

for being a liar
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 26, 2014 - 11:18pm PT
http://www.climate.unibe.ch/~joos/papers/froelicher13gbc.pdf

Okay Base, this should be right up your alley.

For what lie Norton? Everything I put forth is my sincere interpretation of the sum total of what I've read. Been around too long and witnessed too many lies to fall for CAGW narrative.














raymond phule

climber
Feb 27, 2014 - 06:47am PT

http://www.climate.unibe.ch/~joos/papers/froelicher13gbc.pdf

Why did you post that link? Why do you think that that paper is interesting?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 27, 2014 - 09:29am PT
Climate change: No warming hiatus for extreme hot temperatures
While there are claims that there has been a hiatus in global average temperatures, no such hiatus has occurred at the extreme end of the temperature spectrum. New research shows extremely hot temperatures over land have dramatically and unequivocally increased in number and area despite claims that the rise in global average temperatures has slowed over the past 10 to 20 years.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140226165305.htm
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 27, 2014 - 09:31am PT
Concerning CAGW,Would we be more oppressed with the way Rick predicts?

Or just continue down the road of corporate oppression happening now?

No one is a slave to big oil now,RIGHT.....

The root of the discussion.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/10656-breaking-up-with-big-oil-a-complic
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 27, 2014 - 09:46am PT
Why wade? Well it validates parts of my recent points 1 and 2 and like I said it is right up Base's alley. Also he asked for non AGW papers to read, of which there are thousands.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2014 - 09:49am PT
Sketch, cool post. I certainly appreciate the positive focus.

What have I done about raising AWG awareness? Truth be told, not much. Other than trying to correct misconceptions when I talk to people I run into, I just mumble to myself. It'd be misleading to consider this a "grassroots" effort.

A while ago, I was getting all worked up over the news. My GF said, "Why do you follow the news?"

It's a good question. Unless you're actually going to *do* something about it, why raise your blood pressure? It's a better spend of your time to go off and do something real, something productive.



In other news, I just saw the following headline:


Public Broadcasters Relying More and More On Corporate Funding
Jeff Cohen: PBS show "Pension Peril", funded by a billionaire with interest in shaping public pension policy, follows a trend of public broadcasters growing increasingly dependent on corporate funds


When corporations run all our MSM, including our "public" broadcasting, the only message we hear is the corporate one. For this reason, I actively support independent news outlets.

Other than that Sketch, you are right. If we want change, we ourselves must bring it about. As Wes “Scoop” Nisker (a San Francisco broadcaster) famously said, "If you don't like the news, got out and make some of your own."
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 27, 2014 - 09:52am PT
I like squabbling as much as the next child. but i do appreciate the positive tone of your post. sets a good example.

What have you done to raise awareness on this issue?

What are you going to do?

This is just for the last few months. and only related to driving. there's more....

Credit: Wade Icey

What y'all doing?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:03am PT
I disagree Kelly. You hear much more government propaganda, directly through public funded media buys and indirectly through sympathetic MSM which has staked its future in government/corporate collusion (better known as fascism), than you hear pure corporate meddling designed to achieve an end goal contrary to government doctrine.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:11am PT
How does that raise awareness?

By example. You're aware of it now. I said there's more and we can compare lists if you prefer squabbling. But that's not positive is it?

My bad, apparently you we're just trolling.

What have you done...outside of posting?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:14am PT
apologize, Rick

for being a liar
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:41am PT
Oops Sketchy.

You left out the part of the quote where I asked "what have you done?" Chef has trained you well.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:42am PT
Yeah, and some fishing gear. With some luck maybe The Chief will bring you to one his better fishing holes while you talk of the weather as snow piles onto the Sierra.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:45am PT
Guys I have like at least a thousand papers in my office and only three mention global warming so it clearly isn't real.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:47am PT
What y'all doing?

Personally, I rent a place adjacent to my workplace so I can walk or bike rather than commute. Installed a programmable thermostat when I moved in, use 17w worth of light at night, shutdown computer when not in use and other minor items. The living next to work bit is the biggest impact by orders of magnitude.

Professionally, I work in the environmental field as a career. I have my facility well ahead of schedule to reduce square footage by 20% in 6 years and energy usage in the remaining buildings by 20% within 5 years. We are accomplishing this in the face of radical budget cuts and constraints. We've cut company vehicles by 30% and replaced with eletric golf carts for on campus usage, some of them solar powered. We've installed solar panel covered parking lots and solar exterior lighting. We've introduced a ride share program utilized by hundreds of employees, cutting commuter vehicle trips approximately in half.

We're WAY ahead of target on reducing water usage, down approx 50% from our baseline from 2008. All new landscaping is xeriscape requiring no irrigation once established. We install waterless urinals in every building remodel.

Those are a few, but I need to get to work so I'll leave it there.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:56am PT
That's pretty cool El Cap.

DMT
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:57am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
nice post for a proud liberal science guy.
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