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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Nov 27, 2013 - 07:03am PT
Did you know the global sea ice anomaly has been increasing?

So how long has it been increasing, Sketch?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 27, 2013 - 07:17am PT
My god Ed, you have to reach 37 years into the past to dredge up Dyson's initial ponderings on this subject and hold it up as representative of his current opinion and extent of knowledge? Don't you believe in evolution of thought and theory, or debunking of such, through continuing education.

As far as i can tell, Muller's conversion was largely a result of the smell of fame and fortune. It seem's it flopped however as a result of the fellow researchers dust up over trying to put their names on a conclusion that they did not see.

I'll read his op-ed and see if i really like it, though i fear it is a waste of time. Well i read it and yes it is well known that tornados result more often from the mixing of air masses, i.e. the jet stream dips from the arctic mixing cold high density air with the warm moist air from the gulf.It would make sense if the temperature gradient between the arctic and gulf was decreasing and the consequent decrease in quantity and severity of twisters. But, since the albedo in the arctic is changing, and the ocean oscillations that cause cyclical arctic warming are either in or going into negative phase, and we are entering into a prolonged phase of reduced solar output across the full spectrum of its effects, it is unlikely that the arctic is warming any longer, other than small regions. Refer to the study of the decreasing temps throughout AK for validation and the severe winters in high lattitude Europe and parts of Asia, also look at the historically long winter of 2013 and generally cold temps this last summer throughout the arctic. Perhaps tornado severity and quantity could be effected by climate change, but climate change solely as the result of man is not happening.
raymond phule

climber
Nov 27, 2013 - 07:18am PT
Has someone manage to have a discussion with sketch on any topic?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2013 - 07:24am PT
What matter's is you felt compelled to scold me for my sub-par contributions.


No Sketch, no.


I felt compelled to scold you because you make claims that you know nothing about, then when asked to stand your ground by showing us how you arrived at those claims you fold like a glove-compartment map.


You want me to back up my insane claim??
Runn !!!
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Nov 27, 2013 - 07:27am PT
So how long has it been increasing, Sketch?

I'll respond to that after you explain all your stupid statements mentioned in my previous post.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Nov 27, 2013 - 07:29am PT
I say global sea ice anomaly trend has been declining for 34 years, Sketch?

Is that a stupid statement from me, Sketch?

Credit: monolith
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Nov 27, 2013 - 07:30am PT
I felt compelled to scold you because you make claims that you know nothing about, then when asked to stand your ground by showing us how you arrived at those claims you fold like a glove-compartment map.

You have me confused with Mono and Raymond Fool.
raymond phule

climber
Nov 27, 2013 - 07:34am PT

You have me confused with Mono and Raymond Fool.

Haha
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2013 - 07:49am PT
For well over 1000 years the Roman Catholic Church dictated that JC was God and that any manner of salvation in the after life was through believing in him and the RC Church. ...

That was the 100% CONSENSUS of the rule amongst 100's of millions of humans for a long ass time.


This CAGW issue is no different. Not one bit. To say that it is complete ego based BS!

    The Chief




The Chief claims that beliefs forced by religious dogma are no different that the conclusions reached by peer-reviewed scientific-method research.

Yet he still tries to convince us that his blog-fed pseudo science trumps an international panel climate experts.

Time to pack it up The Chief.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 27, 2013 - 08:13am PT
Yes that was an idiotic assertion the chief tried to make.

DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 27, 2013 - 08:17am PT
The Cheif is absolutely correct. His sources go far beyond the blogs. He suffers not from the trendy mass delusions that grip you K-Man and the other endlessly repetitious bloggers on this site. Well, maybe i'll exclude Wilbeer partially from this list since he seems to have somewhat of a life independent from delusion and is actually constructing things.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Nov 27, 2013 - 08:58am PT
As far as i can tell, Muller's conversion was largely a result of the smell of fame and fortune. It seem's ..... blah, blah, drone, pontificate, obfuscation, etc....


I'm sorry Rick but you lost me at "as far as I can tell" .





Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Nov 27, 2013 - 09:12am PT
While Chief may have overstated his position, there is a zealous aspect of the AGW movement that is oddly similar to religious proselytizing. This thread is loaded with examples.

The current "hiatus" is a prime example. Whenever it's brought up, the faithful warmers do their best to invalidate it. Most efforts involve disingenuous tactics. No one wants to look at why warming has stalled or why very few climate experts forcasted this development. It's all about discounting it. Pretending it's irrelevant.

It's all about defending the faith.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 27, 2013 - 09:16am PT
It's all about discounting it. Pretending it's irrelevant.

It's all about defending the faith.

Sketch could you please quote a few of these defenses? Attribute them to who ever wrote them, if you will.

I looked but couldn't find any. Perhaps you can show me the ones you have in mind?

THANKS!!!

DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 27, 2013 - 09:25am PT
I never said Dyson was a Climate scientist. If you remember, Raw held him up as esteemed scientist who's viewpoint he agreed with. You, Ed , then advanced Muller's op-ed in response to Raw. I merely stated that Dyson has a record of achievement far surpassing Muller's and his viewpoint should hold more weight than someone mired in controversy. The thing about Dyson is that he is not only a theoritician but also dreams big with applied science solutions to humanities problems. Climate, so far, is a non science and not worth a serios scientists time. It is a chaoctic system with many multiples of components that defy our current abilities to predict. The reason it is such a frenzy is that it was chosen by pols as a vehicle to get to their end goals. If it was a serious problem their would be many Dyson types with many solutions. You, yourself , i'm sure could think up partial mitigation efforts free of taxation if you could seperate yourself from rigid ideology.
Cragar

Trad climber
MSLA - MT
Nov 27, 2013 - 09:29am PT
I second DMT, I am bored on 99 and since I can't hit table MTn I figure I'd dive into one of these threads that are on topic for more than just climbers.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Nov 27, 2013 - 09:30am PT
There's the curve fitted / smoothed chart Monolith is so fond of posting.

The second issue that has come up is the question of a "hiatus," or pause in the surface-temperature warming. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz recently proclaimed that "there has been no recorded warming since 1998." Not exactly, Ted. According to the IPCC, the rate of warming at the planet's surface is lower over the past 15 years, but warming has not stopped. In fact, since the 1950's each successive decade has been hotter than the last, and the 2000s were the hottest decade since modern record-keeping began in 1880.

Using dumbass Ted Cruz's misrepresentation to discount the issue? Really?

Regarding the lack of recent warming, he absurdly uses 2009 to now. A three or four year trend is much less compelling than a 15 (or 17) hiatus, don't you think?

How many denialist blogs have you read that use a two-year comparison, 2012 and 2013 Arctic ice?

Trying to disqualify the hiatus by making it about a two year comparison of arctic ice was provided by the scholarly Chiloe.

And then there's all this talk about the oceans absorbing all the heat. Funny how it wasn't talked about before the hiatus wouldn't go away. I like how we know so much about deep ocean temps before Argo.

There's plenty of other examples. Just do a search for climate & hiatus.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Nov 27, 2013 - 09:33am PT
You mean this one Sketch? The one that accounts for the short term impacts from the changes of ENSO, volcano, and sun?

Do you feel that "curve-fitting" is the technique being employed here?



Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Nov 27, 2013 - 09:35am PT
Not that the other side isn't frustrating. There's a type of green zealot who appears to relish climate change. Every rise in sea levels is noted excitedly. Every cyclone is applauded and claimed as a noisy, deadly witness for their side.

Suddenly, it's as if they have the planet's assistance in their lifelong campaign to bully everyone else into accepting their view of the perfect world. One without any human beings. Except for them. Living in a cave. Wearing an unwashed T-shirt that not only says ''Support wildlife'' but actually does.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 27, 2013 - 09:40am PT
I don't see it sketch and am not finding any examples. Perhaps you could dig a bit deeper to find one example?

DMT
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