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The Chief

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From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 3, 2014 - 03:56pm PT
SEA ICE EXTENT......


For lake tahoe?


Where ed... where.


Just titled SEA ICE EXTENT.


Fact is, 2013 indicates an ABOVE avg for over 225 or so days according to your graph:


raymond phule

climber
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
The global sea ice area on 12/31/13 was the highest ever recorded, for December 31st.

The global sea ice maximum for 2013 was greater than any maximum since 1996.

What are your source? None of those statements are true in the data that Ed linked to (if my analysis are correct).

http://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g02135_seaice_index/#daily_data_files
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
Sketch probably meant 'anomaly', not actual area.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
What are your source? None of those statements are true in the data that Ed linked to (if my analysis are correct).

http://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g02135_seaice_index/#daily_data_files

My source: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

Area for 12/31/13 is 18.1486 sq km.

Maximum area for 2013 was 22.5558 sq km.

What does your data show?
raymond phule

climber
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:21pm PT
But that shouldn't matter in the first statement.

Is it possibly to find the anomaly data somewhere? (the data, not a graph).
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:25pm PT
1988 looks much higher for Dec 31st.

Hard to tell what the last day is, but the rest of the month is much higher.

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raymond phule

climber
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:26pm PT
Where do you find the data on that page? I can't find any updated data...
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
Ed's got a source for NSIDC in his post.

http://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g02135_seaice_index/#daily_data_files
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:31pm PT
1988 looks much higher for Dec 31st.

It's not.

Hard to tell what the last day is, but the rest of the month is much higher.

Look at you.

Moving the goal posts.

What's important is you only had to go back 25 years to find data to refute my claim.
raymond phule

climber
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:32pm PT
Yes, I downloaded those but there are no anomalies and it is going to take me same time to be able to calculate one myself due to at least some differences in sampling days.
raymond phule

climber
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:33pm PT
"It's not."

Please, give the source to the data if you do anything different than looking at the graph.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
How do you know, Sketch?

Are you just looking at the graph?

Not moving the goal posts Sketch, just showing how meaningless your statement is.

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raymond phule

climber
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
The end of 2007 also seems to be higher if you look at the graph. That is also higher in the data I have.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 3, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
2013 was the fourth warmest year in the satellite era, trailing only 1998, 2010 and 2005, according to Dr. John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.

Global climate trend since Nov. 16, 1978: +0.14 C per decade
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 3, 2014 - 05:03pm PT
Yep, global sea ice area for Dec 31, 2007 was higher than Dec 31, 2013.

http://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g02135_seaice_index/#daily_data_files
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 3, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
Oh look - I found a great book for the right wing basket cases on this thread




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Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 3, 2014 - 07:53pm PT
[quote]Yep, global sea ice area for Dec 31, 2007 was higher than Dec 31, 2013.

http://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g02135_seaice_index/#daily_data_files[/quote]

What are your total area numbers for those dates?

I have 17.9004288 sq km for 12/31/07

And 18.1486149 sq km for 12/31/13

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.global.anom.1979-2008
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 3, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
So fking what FUKSTICKMENTAL. So fking what.

Please indicate how many Australian's actually died DIRECTLY due to this "record" compared to how many died of drug overdoses, or vehicle accidents, or murder by a knives or guns etc etc etc.....


You are a fear mongering lonely man that has nothing else to do in life other than seek out all the potential negative this issue may create and then frolic's in it.


All the while, you live your life business as usual.


dirtbag

climber
Jan 3, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 3, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
Did anyone else notice the irony (teetering madly on the brink of hypocrisy) of Huffy making this accusation?


You are a fear mongering lonely man that has nothing else to do in life other than seek out all the potential negative this issue may create and then frolic's in it.
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