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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 5, 2014 - 11:26am PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2014/01/04/if-all-you-see-1000/
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 5, 2014 - 11:42am PT
What we have to offer is no different than anything any of you WARMIST SCIENTISM ECO GOTTA HAVE THE GOV'T SAVE THE WORLD FREAKS do.

the CAPS are very convincing. perhaps a bit of BOLD for emphasis next time.

thought you were retired. knew you couldn't slip the hook.

Credit: Wade Icey

Carry on Slick
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 5, 2014 - 11:43am PT
My coauthors and I are in the last stages of drafting an Arctic sea ice paper this week, so I've been following the indexes although they tend to be dull this time of year. But in case anyone wondered, here is an NSIDC 1-day extent comparison updated to this morning.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 5, 2014 - 11:44am PT

That graph is wrong. Just ask Wrong Anderson.
raymond phule

climber
Jan 5, 2014 - 11:51am PT

And of course ALL that record snowfall and current record breaking extreme cold temps are due to....

I want some of that snow and cold... This "winter" has so far been very warm and with very little snow where I live.

I guess that it is a reason that those scientists use averages in their work.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 5, 2014 - 12:12pm PT
I want some of that snow and cold... This "winter" has so far been very warm and with very little snow where I live.

And all that is as EDH states.... "NORMAL".


BEGINNING about 1,100 years ago, what is now California baked in two droughts, the first lasting 220 years and the second 140 years. Each was much more intense than the mere six-year dry spells that afflict modern California from time to time, new studies of past climates show. The findings suggest, in fact, that relatively wet periods like the 20th century have been the exception rather than the rule in California for at least the last 3,500 years, and that mega-droughts are likely to recur.

The evidence for the big droughts comes from an analysis of the trunks of trees that grew in the dry beds of lakes, swamps and rivers in and adjacent to the Sierra Nevada, but died when the droughts ended and the water levels rose. Immersion in water has preserved the trunks over the centuries.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/19/science/severe-ancient-droughts-a-warning-to-california.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm



... knew you couldn't slip the hook.

And who's the stoogetwit with the stuck in his skull that keeps coming back???

Oh, that's right, Wade Icedassforbrains.




HEY LARRY HAMILTON, WTF is up with this? This is totally shooting all the bullshet research of yours concerning the dire straights of the NE Ski Resorts due to the lack of snowfall, to hell.

No pun intended... well, maybe.



NOAA CTR, Boston, MA
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 5, 2014 - 12:22pm PT
record snowfall? record cold?
prove it statistically
oh yeah, that might be a problem for a math & science idiot
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 5, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
That means its gradually getting colder obviously. More colder = more snow. Anyone can figure that out even you. Even Rick Sumner. Possibly even Sketch.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 5, 2014 - 12:37pm PT
record snowfall?

Do the numbers Mr. FORD V-8 4x4 BRONCO tearing up the British Columbia backcountry fool you..


NOAA CTR, Boston, MA
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 5, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
What do you Eastside pussies know about tearing up backcountry? Your idea of logging is christmas.

Chuff why is it so hard for you to admit you are an idiot? You did go to AA didn't you? Isn't your first lesson there supposed to be one of humility? Or did you pioneer your own path of redemption - one completely devoid of humility?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 5, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
You did go to AA didn't you? Isn't your first lesson there supposed to be one of humility? Or did you pioneer your own path of redemption - one completely devoid of humility?









Nope, not at all.

First and foremost dipshet BRUCEE KY Jelliedbrain....

ACCEPTANCE...

Accepting ALL things for what they are AND NOT for what one thinks how they should or can be.


And there is no such thing as any "redemption" in the gig. Just a daily reprieve from one's spiritual malady.


But then you nor any of the other SCIENTISM freaks here would even understand anything about "spirituality" cus it is totally counter to anything you all believe in as far as "the science" goes. Cus your science states there is no such thing as "Spirituality" nor can it exist or can it be "proven" to exist.

Please do tell us you "believe" in "Spirituality" Brucee.




Now for your next show of your persistent idiocy, BRUCEE KY'd Jellied Brain Boy.

fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Jan 5, 2014 - 01:42pm PT
What do we have to do to get a reprieve from your spiritual malady?

Never encountered such an unhappy individual. Disgusting, mean, ornery and cranky. And willfully ignorant. A petulant child in the body of an old crank.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 5, 2014 - 01:43pm PT
"Accept" that it, "Spirituality", exists. That human's/You/I etc are NOT in control.


Simple.




Anyone that knows Bill and his deal, knows that.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Jan 5, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
your spiritual malady

dipsh#t

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 5, 2014 - 02:03pm PT
Apparently YOU can't read,

"Accept" that it, "Spirituality", exists. That human's/You/I etc are NOT in control.

Now, what part of MY ACCEPTING that a Power Greater than Myself is in total control, did you not understand.


OH! My bad. You can not understand that real concept if you believe that "The Science" disproves such a claim.

Got it.


BRECEEE BOY, that "humility" you supposedly think states otherwise, is having it in order to surrender to the reality of ...

MY ACCEPTING that a Power Greater than Myself is in total control...

fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Jan 5, 2014 - 03:14pm PT
goddamn never mind

JFC you're clueless
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 5, 2014 - 03:15pm PT
Chuff, it is as usual incredibly difficult to decipher your mangled english but wouldn't you say that accepting and humility are kinda the same thing?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jan 5, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
You are making great steps, Chief. You are back to posting some content, although you still feel the need to personally attack everyone.

To make a clear argument, cut out all of the personal stuff. It has nothing to do with the question at hand which is:

Are we humans causing the climate to change in response to our emitting a lot of CO2?

If you stay on point, you will be a real thinker. You write well, so I don't think that you are stupid. I don't call you an idiot, and if I have, I retract it.

In your next post, leave out the insult. I know that you have strong personal feelings, but if you leave them be, you will then be participating in a real debate.

Try to fill your posts with content. I know that this is tough, but if you want to have a discussion, that's the way to go about it. If you do not want to have a discussion, then sit on your hands. Nobody likes to read this angry stuff.

It appears that you are also letting a political and spiritual agenda creep in as well. That is all well and good over on the God vs. Science thread, which has been quite good, BTW. I would urge you not to get personal if you post among that group. They are mature.

So let's get started. How does such a small amount of CO2 cause an effect?

That's a good spot. I don't know the quantitative answer to that one.

Carry on. Remember though: stay calm and realize that the answer to that question has nothing to do with politics or sexual orientation. Nor does the true answer have anything to do with what I do for a living.

To get at the truth, you need to wipe the slate clean. Stay on topic, and don't allow any bias or emotion to influence your position.

Seriously. That is the first obvious question in this matter. I've discussed it with one of the best atmospheric physicists in the world, and even he wasn't too sure.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Jan 5, 2014 - 04:01pm PT
This thread is a microcosm of how this issue is discussed on a global level. There are so many uninformed zealots (on both sides) trying with all their might to legitimize their paradigm without truly understanding the data or taking the time tp objectively form an opinion.

Thanks to the few posters that have taken the time to explain some of the more complex issues and data analyses to us laymen.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 5, 2014 - 04:33pm PT
Calgary data 1881-2010
Number of days per year where minimum temperature is -30 or colder

Data from ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/daily/all/CA003031093.dly
I did the analysis myself (it wasn't hard, I just wrote some computer code).
Credit: Malemute
The data verifies my recollection that cold days are fewer now.

The summary by decade:
94 1881-1890
87 1891-1900
53 1901-1910
63 1911-1920
51 1921-1930
51 1931-1940
59 1941-1950
52 1951-1960
66 1961-1970
55 1971-1980
41 1981-1990
43 1991-2000
24 2001-2010

Years when there were no -30 days:
1883 1908 1925 1931 1944 1953 1961 1987 1999 2001 2007 2011
ie one per decade except 3 in the last decade

Years with 10 or more days of -30:
1882 1884 1886 1887 1888 1890 1893 1896 1897 1899 1907 1909 1911 1916 1917 1922 1929 1936 1937 1943 1949 1950 1951 1954 1965 1969 1972 1996
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