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Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 17, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
November was warm ~ WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 17, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
Alarmist^^^^^.HA.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 17, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
After most of a day tromping about the rimrock in pursuit of Chukar dinner, that was delicious i might add, i come back to see that Mchale is the only one attempting to addtress the collapse of the thermosphere question. Scientists just dont know, plain and simple. They abscibe 30% causation to a lull in solar activity ( less ionizing of atmospheric components) at the deep minimum of the schwabe cycle and 10% to absorbtion and reradiation of solar radiation by co2, which radiates towards space without much kinetic energy from contact with the very thin atmosphere at this altitude. So what effect, that scientists dont know, caused the remaining 60% of this event? Is it just coincidence that this much larger than ever previously imagined thermosphere collapse happened at the depth of the lowest solar minimum of modern times? What would happen to climate if we have a prolonged period, decades long, of solar activity as low as this event? Based on the work of Livingston and Penn, as well as many others, scientists are expecting just such an event in the coming decades,depth of inactivity unknown. Mchale is right, the layers of the atmosphere expand and contract with heat. Did this event release a huge amount of energy from the climate system? If climate scientists know all, and CAGW theory is settled science, surely they understand the causations of many unexplained and little discussed anomalies like the one above, dont they?
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Dec 17, 2013 - 10:19pm PT

What's your recommended nailing pattern on cement siding?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 17, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
Ricky- Ask Ed, he knows all and even said he could be adept at homebuilding several thousand posts ago. Bruce (jackass) Freud can then psychoanylse his answer. As for me i wouldn't put cement siding on one of my buildings-too many problems with it wicking moisture. Sincerely Dr. Al Siding
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 17, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
too many problems with it wicking moisture.


Your so full of sh#t now its spilling over into everything you touch. Do you fix helicopters too?

and that is the extent of my psycho analysis of that

BTW Rick, my buddys C can living structure project is moving along well and all the insulation and VB issues are well accounted for with bonded foam insulation proving itself in many completed projects all over the place. Its a good thing no one pays much attention to your defeatist opining, as you clearly are not much of an innovator even in your chosen career... strange, considering your flamboyant imagination.

How are your plumbing deficiencies coming along? Is it going to trim much away from your razor thin profit margins? Next time hire a real plumbing contractor instead of a taxidermist.

Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Dec 17, 2013 - 10:53pm PT

I'll go with something more metaphorical then.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 17, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
If climate scientists know all, and CAGW theory is settled science, surely they understand the causations of many unexplained and little discussed anomalies like the one above, dont they?

Rick, there is quite a bit of discussion on the net IF YOU WANT TO FIND IT. (Regarding atmosphere collapse)
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Dec 18, 2013 - 12:47am PT
http://download.hao.ucar.edu/pub/stans/papers/SolomonJGR2013.pdf

That's actually a pretty interesting paper... I remember seeing old photos of the space shuttles wings' and tail leading edges glowing blue-green from ionizing O2 molecules in the way-upper atmosphere and wondering what the hell THAT was all about.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 18, 2013 - 01:01am PT
You have to wonder if all this obsession with climate science means that Rick is failing in his continued professional development obligations in his own career field.

I mean, installing plumbing in an exterior wall is a major fuk up, and he dosn't seem to know much about Hardy board application. Or maybe his professional ethics include "Talk big, go cheap, then bury it".
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Dec 18, 2013 - 01:16am PT
now, now bruce....I believe that in his heart of hearts, 'ol Rick was counting on a warming climate to keep those pipes from freezing up. Seems to me like he was proactively saving that home buyer some money!

Although counting on such a thing DOES fall way outside of the %95 confidence intervals.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 18, 2013 - 01:20am PT
Heart of hearts explanations don't go over so well with the building inspectors....

especially when wearing a tin foil hat!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 18, 2013 - 10:08am PT
I'm surprised TGT hasn't jumped on this appalling example of conspiratorial suppression of that fine american tradition of considering every opinion equally:

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/12/17/3071641/reddit-banned-climate-deniers/

“There is a de facto ban of climate denial in /r/science, yes,” Allen told ThinkProgress on Tuesday. Allen’s announcement quickly rose to the top of /r/science’s front page. “Candy coated censorship!” one said. “Insecure dictators,” said another.
“Since when is science so concrete that differing opinions are not allowed?” another user complained. “Its actually this sort of behavior that FUELS ‘deniers.’ If man made global warming is so real, why are so many of you NOT willing to discuss it?”

Yes TGT should be all over this like sh#t on a blanket, but then if you read a little further....

The answer, Allen said, is that the conversation surrounding global warming constantly tends to wade off into a non-scientific, personal debate that is inappropriate for a science discussion forum. “Statements on /r/science must be supported by meaningfully peer-reviewed science,” Allen said.
Where there is no consensus we ask users to support their comments with links to studies and publications. However, the consensus is so overwhelming in the case of climate change that it would effectively be like allowing people to come into a submission on vaccinations and throw around the claim that vaccines cause autism. Our policy limits both deniers and skeptics to the extent that /r/science is for the discussion of current, peer-reviewed research and climate skepticism doesn’t have much to show in that regard.


OK forget it TGT.... stand down, nothing to see here
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 18, 2013 - 10:49am PT
All this insistent bullshet from each and everyone of you Liberal Eco Freak Ideological Utopians and the earth is still getting warmer and colder, snowier and dryer, windier and whatever.

It will continue to do so long after each and everyone of you sorry asses dies and all your descendants do the same.

Thank god that the earth and the Universe in general, do not operate in the same fashion as you self proclaimed intellectual ego-centered ignorant we know all about the and how to control the universe wanna-be's, do.

In reality, not one of you knows shet about the how things "really" are. But then that is all part of the modern man thinking he is something special.
new world order2

climber
Dec 18, 2013 - 11:13am PT
This entire global warming spiel (whether it is true or not) is simply a means to declare mankind an enemy of mother earth, that must be controlled... even culled.


When world leaders speak of depopulation...What do you think it means?
When world leaders speak of depopulation...What do you think it means?
When world leaders speak of depopulation...What do you think it means?
Credit: new world order2

Is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRFsoRQYpFM how you guys want to live?
In tiny apartments, within mega cities? With no private car ownership, and no meat consumption (for starters) ? See...Agenda 21.

Hola Ed, FortMental, Bruce, and Chiloe. Do you guys reeeally want to live like this (view the vid)? Please answer.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 18, 2013 - 11:46am PT
This entire global warming spiel (whether it is true or not) is simply a means to declare mankind an enemy of mother earth, that must be controlled... even culled.

Baaa
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 18, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
this hits the nail on the head (unless you're Rick Sumner, master of beat marks)



http://www.quickmeme.com/p/3vqjb0
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 18, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
Ed asks; "Why do you think you know anything about science"?

Come on professor don't sell yourself short on teaching abilities. I've been observing your presentations and antics in defense of this crock of shet CAGW theory and modeling for going on two years now. True, i have a distaste for this sidetrack of science and everything i've heard from you i've questioned and probed with my meager mentality with the idea exposing this science as the crock it is. But you are a good teacher and i appreciate what ammo you have provided. If i was 50 years younger i would place a nice shiny apple on your desk, though it would probably have a firecracker embedded and lit.

Getting back to your latest two presentations. The first was the usual fare, full of ranges of uncertainty, guesstimates, admissions of unkowns and the stated need for more study. The second was much better, indicating that solar EUV reduction throughout cycle 24 and particularly the quiet sun period of 2008-9 was the main causation, followed by reduced magnetism, and last and least by the increased amount of CO2 ( which acts as a coolant in the upper atmospheric layers) intercepting and deflecting back to space incoming solar radiation, presumably in a narrow band of the long wave spectrum. This brings me to some questions- First, since the increased CO2 in the thermosphere came from earth surface activities is it not a negative feedback of global warming? Second,since both the density and temperature of the thermosphere decreased wouldn't there be a tendency for more excited molecules, including CO2, to transit from lower atmospheric layers? Third, since this solar minimum of 2008-9 was only two years in duration compared to previos named minimums like the Dalton or Maunder, which persisted in a quiet sun state for decades, wouldn't a long duration event like many solar scientists are expecting amplify negative feedbacks identified above?

Norton- The story of the hottest November on record came from an agency of the "government". The same government that spys on us, rolls out "improved healthcare", was asleep at the wheel just prior to 9-11, and regularly does other good works that inspire trust from the citizenry. Look for other interpretations of the data, i'm sure they will beg to differ.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 18, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
ROB FORD DAILY NEWS

Update-

Rob Ford apologizes again - but this time he really, really ,really means it. Relenting to his lawyers pleading, the mayor reworked his apology of the previous day and came up with a final draft acceptable to Mr Dale if not to the association of International late night TV comedy hosts.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/rob-ford-apologizes-again-to-reporter-over-remarks/article16045517/




At this time no direct link to climate science has been detected.



meager mentality



whoa! A rare moment of honesty from Rick. Everyone have a look, last chance til 2014.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:26am PT
Look for other interpretations of the data,


such as here: http://www.infowars.com/



The logic being that because all government entity cannot be trusted, any other entity is worthy of greater trust by default.

If anyone wishes to see how perverse and troubling Ricks perspective is, google the "letters to the Editor - Timothy McVeigh".

No Ricky, I'm not suggesting that you are a terrorist - I would leave that giant leap to the fertile imaginations of a person such as yourself. What I do suggest is that his rantings, as pedestrian and common as they seem, are just as irrational as your own. I'm sure you are a bit more socially balanced than him, but your delusions are the same.
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