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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2013 - 10:00am PT
The Chief brandishes his dim wit like a badge:

Just another example of how this AGW bullshet is all based on nothing more than pure ideology.



I say The Chief can't comprehend what he reads, that he's as abrasive as hedge, and this is what he comes up with. What I said had nothing to do with AWG, but there you go.



Keep at it The Chief, there's still room to prove you're more clueless than we previously thought. Unbelievable as that may seem.
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Dec 3, 2013 - 10:03am PT
People like myself just do not have time to contemplate your AGW futuristic fear mongering dogma/ideology.

We got shet to do. Like live our lives.

That must be easy to do when you're retired and don't give a shiht about anyone else, including your own kids. What a life!
raymond phule

climber
Dec 3, 2013 - 10:16am PT

People like myself just do not have time to contemplate your AGW futuristic fear mongering dogma/ideology.

We got shet to do. Like live our lives.

How do the fact that you have posted thousands of posts on this thread fit into that?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 3, 2013 - 10:42am PT
That must be easy to do when you're retired and don't give a shiht about anyone else, including your own kids. What a life!

My Kids are living their lives the same way dumbass.

They are enjoying each day on earth as it is their last.

You Fortmental should try doing so. Living in the NOW instead of in the future and claiming you can control the future.


You may find peace and freedom in doing so. Instead of the daily bitterness you obviously exhibit here by constantly worrying about tomorrow.


How do the fact that you have posted thousands of posts on this thread fit into that?

Today is ALL we have. That is reality. You nor I have absolutely NO control over tomorrow. None.


To claim you do is complete bullshet and no different than the "do good deeds today so you can get into heaven tomorrow" philosophy.


Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 3, 2013 - 10:50am PT
as far as being honest, I would admit to the following in my case:

1) I am one crazy motherfkr

2) I do not play well with others in the confines of their sandbox

3) I got everything I ever wanted in life and then some

4) all of the above.


Yes we know, and thanks again for both your honesty and your willingness to take part in our questionaire.

If you're interested in knowing what it means you can now google "Sociopathy" or "Psychopathy" and check your answers against the crtiteria. Now I doubt you are interested and in case you are wondering why you are not interested, once again you can start by googling "Sociopathy" or "Psychopathy" and another would be "Narcissism".

Rick, you could learn a thing or two in terms of honesty from Huff n' chuff. Like him you should also define your values and moral relationship with your fellow travelers, test them against reality for validation, and then proceed into the wonderfully accessible world of psychology which considering your imperative of self reliance, should be a natural.

One caution: With psychology, the hazard is that your own brain is the most readily available test subject, wether you like it or not. While this obvious potential perhaps explains your incongruent reluctance to explore this science with your usual enthusiasm, I think you will find that avoiding it for that reason is counter productive. Unethical even and certainly chickensh#t, if your values are inclined toward self reliance.

If however your values are more inclined to the perpetuation of illusion and mythology un tested by reality then yes - you should certainly avoid psychology and you certainly should not read anything about the Dunning Kruger effect.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 3, 2013 - 11:43am PT
Like him you should also define your values and moral relationship with your fellow travelers

Are you now supposedly "traveling" with me Brewsky???


I never asked you nor anyone else on this thread to "travel" with me. Nor would I want any of you Utopian Future Fantasy Dreamers to do so. I would be spending my time picking your asses up as you would be too worried about and too busy analyzing what is around the next bend instead of concentrating what lies directly before and around you.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 3, 2013 - 11:50am PT
we're all on the same space ship chuff. But don't worry, I like most will try to minimize my exposure to your presence. For instance, whenever I'm in Bishop I have no intention of ruining my holiday in the name of science or even comedy.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 3, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
we're all on the same space ship Chief.

We are?


Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Dec 3, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
a deniers' grasp of science:

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 3, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
You Fortmental should try doing so. Living in the NOW instead of in the future and claiming you can control the future.

Live each day like it's your last. Plan like you'll live forever.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 3, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Ah, I do live forever. But not in this physical material world.


Taoist. Remember, Gary!



Hey Norton,


Just got this rig today to add to my collection. Duc 900 SS. #156 of 210 made in 1999.
Got it from the original owner who sold it to me for a steal. He took my offer of 2k's below Blue Book. Saw my love for V-Twins and basically gave it to me. It will be delivered tomorrow.





a deniers' grasp of science:

Nope! Completely clueless, again, MUTS!


More like this MALMUTS:

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 3, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Well Bruce, i reached out one last time to see if you could open your narrow, delusional mind and just possibly get a grip on something resembling reality. You failed just as spectacularly as the models of the climate scientism church wackos. Babble on brother, i don't give a flying fk about your amateur psychology. Nobody's paying attention.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 3, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
Just some additional insight into Rick's post above...

“When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.”

― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values



“We have artists with no scientific knowledge and scientists with no
artistic knowledge and both with no spiritual sense of gravity at all,
and the result is not just bad, it is ghastly.”
― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2013 - 10:54am PT
WASHINGTON -- Climatic changes -- and the results of those changes -- could occur within decades or even sooner, and they are becoming a greater concern for scientists, according to a new paper from the National Academy of Sciences.



The Chief, Rick, Ron, anybody... Can you tell me why you think the National Academy of Sciences is lying?

If you say it's for the money, you need to show the paper trail of the money they're making--you know, back up your claim.

Can anybody make a reasonable argument here, and not just utter a bunch of jibberish?

Simple question, you should have a simple answer.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 4, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Simple...


Job Security.


Dah!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 4, 2013 - 11:17am PT
you have to understand that when Chuff judges the world, he references himself.... as any self respecting narcissist would.

Thus they lie to protect their job security. As we all know Chuff is not shy about deception in order to protect his position .... one can only speculate as to how he applied this peculiar ethic in his profession of pumping bilge water.

here is something interesting, related to competence and the Dunning Krugger:

Far from undermining the scientific consensus on climate change, then, the new study could be said to strengthen it, by defining who's a relevant expert in the first place. "You listen to the scientists who really know the field in question," says George Mason's Neil Stenhouse, a Ph.D. student and the study's lead author. "And previous studies show that if you ask the scientists who really know climate change, there is high consensus on human causation."

Similarly, after sorting AMS members by their climate expertise as well as their scientific publishing record, Stenhouse's study found that this seemed to have a big impact on their views about climate change. "93% of actively publishing climate scientists indicated they are convinced that humans have contributed to global warming," noted the study's authors. By contrast, among "non-publishing" climate scientists, only 65 percent believed that humans have contributed to global warming.

Something similar occurred with a different set of experts within AMS: meteorologists and atmospheric scientists. Those who published a lot on climate change, or a lot on other aspects of meteorological science, generally showed much higher conviction that humans are contributing to global warming (79 percent and 78 percent, respectively) than the "non-publishing" experts (59 percent).

And there's more bad news for skeptics who want to cite this AMS survey to bolster their case. You see, the study also showed that conservative political ideology is a big factor behind the denial of climate science by some meteorologists—ideology was a consistently bigger influence on meteorologists' views, in fact, than their level of scientific expertise. This finding of a major role for ideology, write the researchers, "goes against the idea of scientists' opinions being entirely based on objective analysis of the evidence."

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/12/why-some-meteorologists-still-deny-climate-science



The obvious next study should try to answer the question "Does incompetency cause right wing ideology or does right wing ideology cause incompetency?"
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 4, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
"Abrupt climate change" became a thing, on my radar at least, in the late 1990s as papers came out of the GISP2 Greenland ice core project. GISP2 data showed clearly that fast, dramatic climate changes have occurred in the not-to-distant past, building a picture of climate as sleeping dragon. That inspired a lot of research on why such abrupt changes could happen. Thermohaline shutdown (e.g., the Gulf Stream) became a favored hypothesis, and I think that's still current -- but modern conditions, the modelers say, are unlikely to reproduce that very soon.

Nor does the NAS panel favor the "methane gun" hypothesis, another doomsday mechanism that has gotten some play in the press, and investigation by science. So while the NAS team is reassuring on those two scenarios, they note other problems that now look (to them) more capable of bringing things down fast.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 4, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
surprises are indeed inevitable.

SO it takes a PhD to figure out that planet earth is a DYNAMIC and not a static biosphere.

Isn't this all a "surprise".

Kind a like telling us all that some donut's do have holes in the center of em.


Niiiiiiiiiiiice.


Like I said, Job Security.


“When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.”

― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 4, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
at a bristling 4 degrees this am,, i couldnt help but think of globull warming...I searched high and low for that .06 of globull warming, but could not find it any where.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 4, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
Go out in your yard and look under the stack of empties...... I put it there when you were sleeping one off Ron.
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