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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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CC, your post proves that if you put your energy towards productive purposes you could make a much greater positive contribution to the world instead of working to derail efforts to protect it.
If it's economically less expensive to reduce carbon emissions from termites (assuming you could do it without screwing something else up) instead of from people, than YES that's what we should do. Ironically that's the whole idea behind cap and trade. To find the least expensive ways to reduce co2.
It's not about controlling people and telling them what to do. It's about finding the least expensive way to maintain our standard of living and quality of life (over the medium to long term).
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Ed - how many times have nay sayers like you said 'Its Impossible'. And "Whats the use of trying", and "Can't be done". -exp: the airplane.
There is no (AGW) global warming except in your minds. We have to treat your
delusions with therapeutic activities. Then declare you've save the planet.
You'll feel good and move on.
My idea is that it'd give you Warmists busy work and leave people alone to live their lives. Who knows, maybe your team might make a termite that excreted kerosene? You'd be billionaires overnight.
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Ashcroft
Trad climber
SLC, UT
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so then why do you even bother to make the argument, The Chief? why the appeal to graphs and scientists and all... why not just say you don't believe anything science has to offer...
Exactly. It's like trying to have a discussion with whack-a-mole. As soon as you demolish one ridiculous claim, he teleports to a completely different but equally nonsensical claim. I don't know whether Chief is driven by political ideology or just contrariness but arguing with him is a complete waste of time.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Global warming deniers, flat earthers, creationists. You can't use reason and logic to supplant self delusion.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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The world needs clowns to laugh at once in while.
Thanks for stepping up to the plate! Chief, you are my favorite Internet buffoon! Have a good day out there and be safe.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Have a fun day driving your gas guzzler, pretending this is about dooms-day, instead of your choices screwing over the less fortunate and future generations.
I'll ride my bike to my local bouldering spot.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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and you be safe on that LA Freeway.
We've had two maintenance people killed in San Diego County the last couple of months by "errant" vehicles. Both leaving behind families.
Not much of a job for buffoonery.
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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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Chief- I found your use of roughly this diagram:
to be somewhat off the reservation; If I got it right the point you were trying to make from this graph/cartoon was that given that CO2 has fluctuated over the 4.6 billion year existence of the earth any worries about rising current CO2 is misguided, because the earth is going to do what it is going to do.
A few points of order about this cartoon and the use of earth history; this diagram is trying to tell the story about what some earth scientist call “deep time” and often the gist of discussion about that term is that human mind is ill equipped (or unable) to actually grasp such large amount of time in the right contextual sense. Furthermore as we peer back into earth history often clarity and data reliability become issues.
The point I take away from the cartoon above is that multicellular life has over 570 million scrubbed CO2 from the atmosphere and stored that carbon into terrestrial sinks. A second somewhat obscured and hypothetical point is that climate change is often associated with extinction events.
Homo sapiens as distinct species are 200,000 years old with lineage roots about 6,000,000 years. The cartoon is derived through a mirror darkly of 4,600,000,000 years. The point being with regards to our species the pertinent atmospheric CO2 information is actually better represented by this graph:
A data representation graph with far more accuracy than the diagram you posted and little of the associated uncertainty in the data. Good Times.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Better to deal with errant drivers, than purposeful IED's, suicide C4 strapped fanatics, raining semi-auto 40mm's, 80mm mortar attacks etc.
Better we didn't get into useless wars (they're actually worse than useless--they have negative value). Wonder how much energy used by US is used by military? Seems like an easy way to reduce carbon use would be to shut that boondoggle work. We might even have enough money to fix our roads then, too.
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dirtbag
climber
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You're scaring me blah blah, that's another sensible post, completely out of character for you.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 9, 2011 - 05:21pm PT
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Summers Are Going To Get Hotter, Stanford Scientists Say
A recent study conducted by Stanford University scientists has concluded that if greenhouse gas concentrations continue to increase, many regions in the world will probably experience an irreversible rise in summer temperatures within the next 20 to 60 years.
Hey Bookworm, CC...Isn't Stanford in Communist China (or a region that's remarkably similar, a small and insignificant area in a small and insignificant state called California).
Oh wait, there's more:
LiveScience explains that a single heat wave or warm day is not a sign of global warming. But while an individual weather event cannot be attributed to a warming world, more long-term trends are accepted in the scientific community as evidence of man-made global warming.
But even with this, I look forward to your continued posts denying that there's any evidence of AGW.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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You're scaring me blah blah, that's another sensible post, completely out of character for you.
Well don't get too used to it--but there's something about some guy who apparently made his living off these crazy foreign wars, then bragging about it and mocking people who actually do useful work that rubs me the wrong way.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Not only did he make his living off it, now we get to pay his pension.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 10, 2011 - 05:51am PT
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You conservatives really don't like anyone telling you to try to reduce your pollution. It's your god given right to pollute as much as you can.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 10, 2011 - 06:12am PT
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What for? You all ride your bikes and own no vehicles, right? My bad. Forgot. Ya'll are just talking shet and spewing more of the hypocrisy that flows on this thread and throughout the AGW community.
Ye olde strawman.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 10, 2011 - 10:06am PT
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LOL
You never listen Chief. I guess that's the great thing about knowing everything.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 10, 2011 - 11:29am PT
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"Strawman" that puts no more than 3200 miles on his F-150 per year, has been happily retired for well over 12 years, climbs at least 4 days a week at over 25 different locales no more than 20 minutes from his front door and lives where you bust your asses 5 days a week, 52 weeks outta the year in order to gain the money to visit every other weekend to climb, for a day or two, if your lucky.
Dammit, like all good conservatives the chief has started using the Chewbacca Defense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 10, 2011 - 11:51am PT
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Jun 11, 2011 - 07:14am PT
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Good insights as to what ails The Chief regarding his pathological anti-elitism and use of the Chewbacca Defense.
But it seems to me that the Chewbacca Defense is usually a conscious ploy.
Because of The Chief's obvious pathology, I think his ego defense mechanisms, confirmation bias, and urge to self-justify, cause him to involuntarily invoke the Chewbacca Defense because of his overwhelming cognitive dissonance.
Elsewise his head would explode . . . so he posts nonsense that makes our heads want to explode.
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Jun 11, 2011 - 11:43am PT
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More from that article regarding the Chewbacca Defense that fits The Chief's MO:
". . . and try to razzle-dazzle the jury about how complex and complicated the other side's evidence or probability estimates are."
"someone asserts his claim by saying something so patently nonsensical that the listener's brain shuts down completely."
It's like he has six shirts. As soon as someone points out that his shirt with screen prints of scientific equations is inside-out, he doesn't acknowledge it, he just puts on another that is full of holes, and when that's pointed out he doesn't acknowledge it, he just puts on another one that's full of sh#t, and so on until we're scratching our heads, thinking, "isn't that the one he was wearing inside-out a few minutes ago???"
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