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Gunks Ray
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Gunks
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:09am PT
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-polar-bear-decline-20141117-story.html
The number of polar bears in eastern Alaska and western Canada has declined by 40%, according to a scientific study that raises more questions about the impact of global warming on the creature that has become the symbol of some of its worst effects.
The study, published in the current issue of Ecological Applications, was carried out by scientists from several groups, including the U.S. Geological Survey and Environment Canada, that tagged and released polar bears in the southern Beaufort Sea from 2001 to 2010. The bear population in the area shrank to about 900 in 2010, down from about 1,600 in 2004, according to their findings.
Perhaps even more worrisome, just two of 80 polar bear cubs that the international team tracked between 2003 and 2007 survived, according to the study. Normally about half of the cubs live.
“Climate change is not some future threat,” Sarah Uhlemann, senior attorney for the Center for Biological Diversity, one of the groups that has been fighting to save polar bears, told The Times. “Global warming is happening now and killing polar bears now.”
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:17am PT
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I don't know, I quickly took the "Crunch challenge" (re: polar bears)--
take a look at this link
http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/dec12/polar_bears.asp
Seems like it's a tricky issues without an obvious answer.
edit:
whoops, I missed that a lawyer has weighted in on this issue:
“Climate change is not some future threat,” Sarah Uhlemann, senior attorney for the Center for Biological Diversity, one of the groups that has been fighting to save polar bears, told The Times. “Global warming is happening now and killing polar bears now.” I suppose that settles it.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:18am PT
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There Senor Chiloe goes again with his fudgeograph and accompanying industry pal reviewed verbiage stating the earth system has been gaining thermal energy (deep down below instrumentation levels where the sun dont shine, presumably inferred by an CAGW model colonoscopes) due to the impedance of escaping LWR by the dreaded CO2 insulation blanket. The only problem is that satellite measurements show a globally averaged increase in outgoing LWR over the last thirty years.
So Choloe, where is this colonoscope model inferred heating coming from. Don't tell me you are now becoming a Solar SW worshiper. Sure this is the type of radiation that can actually penetrate and achieve longer term storage in the vast ocean basins. But, since the global 0-2000 meter oceans are showing no increase and new information is recently coming out showing no increase in sub 2000 meter temps , global ice mass is increasing, snow cover extent and duration increasing, raw unmanipulated data showing decline in global mean temps, and the satellite data showing earth temperature giving up the ghost, isn't it time for a little unhomogenized untampered truth?
You doomist cult members had your day in the sun during the solar grand maximum of the late 20th century. If we ever get past this prolonged weak maximum of SC 24 there is going to be a prolonged and deep minimum of solar activity not seen for 150 years. Even your dear leader and the rabid enviro infested EPA wont be able to salvage your precious agenda then.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 18, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
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That CO2 animation is quite something.
Much less colorfully, NOAA just updated their Ocean Heat Content time series. Here's the 0-700m picture through September 2014:
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 18, 2014 - 03:37pm PT
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The upper layer of the 0-700 m ocean depth is that which interacts with and releases radiant energy into the atmosphere, then radiates to space at an increased pace over the last thirty years. This increase of LW to space is in stark contrast to AGW greenhouse theory. Somethings are not right in LaLa land.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:35am PT
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Thanks for the weather report, Chief.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:39am PT
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The most snow to fall and record COLD temps in this region during the month of November, EVER!
Really, Chief? EVER!
You of course mean since the earth was formed since you did not indicate it was in recorded history.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:47am PT
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there you go assuming again, Monolith,
The Chief said "in the month of November" and if you look back, how long ago was there a month named November? certainly not beyond the creation of the Julian Calendar in 56 B.C.
That's 2100 years, give or take... now, what are the records of snow fall in that part of N. America for that time? Probably something that can be found... although you'd need to use a proxy for the earlier times.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
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Bob, your two links actually go hand in hand, but not for the reasons you may suspect.
Here's what's going on, it's actually simple enough that most of you should be able to wrap your pea-brains around it:
Almost all your beloved "scientists" are on the government dole. Accordingly, they vote for the Democrats, the party of ever increasing the size of the dole.
A few scientists work for industry (i.e., do something useful), and I expect that most of them vote Republican.
Here are some quick numbers from your two links:
As it is now, the SAB does allow and include advisors with industry expertise. Of the board’s current 51 members, which are appointed by the EPA Administrator for three-year terms, three have industry expertise. But bill sponsor Rep. Chris Stewart (R-UT) says that’s not enough.
So we've got 3 of 51 members who have industry expertise (i.e., have done something useful).
From your second link, 6% of "scientists" vote for Rupubs.
You get the picture?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 01:39pm PT
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Almost all your beloved "scientists" are on the government dole...
A few scientists work for industry (i.e., do something useful)
this is of course possible to verify, which blahblah has not taken the time to do, instead he's stating it as a fact.
The reason he does this, of course, is the putative "fact" supports his argument that the authority of the scientists is in question. Most scientists address this by verifying the science. blahblah has no ability to do this (and neither does most of the public) so he has only to resort to ad hominem arguments to support his opinion.
He might find that the majority of scientist do not "work for the government" (or even as contractors to the government).
Of course, you don't have to take my word for it, you can check it out yourself.
As for the politics of the scientists, blahblah makes an assertion that is not only irrelevant, but also impossible for him to support with any evidence (except that he makes up himself).
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 19, 2014 - 01:45pm PT
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Four company names reshaping the technology/science of the modern world, Mr Moron Bruce.
Apple, Google, Tesla, Boeing
Awful lot of non government science being done here. I would hazard to guess that in their ignorance of government funded hysteric scientism they are advancing the species exponentially beyond thr clique of government funded charlatans.
There will be repercussions for this scam of the millenium. Let's hope that soon we never again hear "trust me, 97% of government funded science can't be wrong".
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 01:51pm PT
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^^^That's profoundly profound, Rick.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Nov 19, 2014 - 02:30pm PT
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Hey,at least he can spell clique.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 02:30pm PT
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 19, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
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WTF is wrong with you Wilbeer; defending me in any way, shape, or form is out of character. You must be overcome from heat stroke with skiing through all that lake effect snow west of you.
Look Frosty, you ignorant piss ant. You had part of the equation right, but your current hubris forbids you to travel the last little mile lest your fragile little psyche suffer irreparable damage to its self image.
Yes we all vote our pocketbooks and lean towards self preservation. This last election here brought the usually silent majority out in an effort to affect gridlock, the least damaging form of big government and the most probable path of self preservation. The other side represented by the newly bought and paid for electorate of sloth and indolence were to lazy to get off their fat asses to vote for the hand that spoon feeds them. So much for that "new demographic" this go around. They must think that the dear leader will pick up the slack and deliver upon his dictatorial promise thereby allowing them to never have to put down their bongs and think or act for their own benefit. Now where are the idiots - the blue zones or red?
As far as my own opinion goes, its for self and family preservation from an army of piss ant scientists and politicians hell bent on their own self destruction with the rest of the still rational thinking as collateral damage. Aint going there easy.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Nov 19, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
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Laughing Hardly.
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SuperTopo on the Web
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the first of Bob's links cited a pool of scientists that included about 6% who had industry expertise, and
Let us know!