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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 11, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
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Quite the stirring sermon by old Frosty above.
Truth, ethics, and those that make up their own reality. Really Frosty? What you represent is the exact tactics practiced by your precious progressives.
You need look no further than the dear leaders force feeding of Obamacare against the approval the american masses for a perfect example of this. What part of this law and its adoption was based on truth or ethical practices. We have one Jonathan Gruber, the well paid Obama consultant, who was the main architect of the law spilling the beans on the deliberate deception used to get it past what he termed the stupidity of the american electorate. Look it up Frosty, its all over the internet dummy.
Dont you have some snow to shovel?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 12, 2014 - 06:50am PT
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I love coming onto this thread to see all the fantasy horseshet you keep making up and then posting here. Really.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 12, 2014 - 06:59am PT
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I love coming onto this thread to see all the fantasy horseshet you keep making up and then posting here. Really.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 12, 2014 - 09:38am PT
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I love coming onto this thread to see all the fantasy horseshet you keep making up and then posting here.
Making up?
Like what?
 Sketch
You're kidding, right?
We realists keep posting where The Chief makes up BS and where your quotes from non-science blogs are wrong. As for Rick, his posts speak for themselves. sci-fi left with his tail between his legs, unable to address a single question that was addressed to him.
It's been proven over and over that, you, Sketch, don't read or remember things that prove you're anti-AWG stance is a fraud. You don't want to debate reasonably, and you quickly resort to attacks when you're backed into a corner. Then you begin to whine.
It's kind of pathetic. Anybody with a smidgeon of self respect would have left, or changed their ways, long ago. But you and The Chief double-down on stupid, as is shown in the post I've quoted just above. And I fully expect you to respond to this post with another asinine post that shows you can't take criticism head on.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 12, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
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You don't even recognize your Chiefs own words. No wonder you're his intellectual sub-man.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 12, 2014 - 01:02pm PT
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Standard issue impotent snark.
Lame reply imbecile.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 12, 2014 - 01:04pm PT
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Just checking in to report record or near-record lows in Boulder.
As I recall from last year, that's more evidence of global warming, correct? (As Chiloe helpfully explained, all that cold air must have come from someplace else.)
Nothing like a good game of heads-I-win, tails-you-lose!
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 12, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
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Hey blahblah, Chiloe is correct.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Nov 12, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
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Heay... The UN just decided that all warming is caused by MAN....
Hold on to your wallets, I am sure that some scam will be forth comming.
And speaking of wallets, the nice low cost of gas is going to end, in California at least, soon ..... remember that deal Arnold worked out about 6 years ago.... its going to kick in soon.
It makes me feel so good to know the we will soon be making a diference.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 12, 2014 - 01:39pm PT
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Work on your reading and graph comprehension, Chief.
Take the words and concepts slowly. Use a dictionary if you need to. Ask the wifey for help.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 12, 2014 - 01:52pm PT
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I am sure that some scam will be forth comming.
The scam of cheap energy has already come. That scam will soon end, by hook or by crook.
But, the environment will take an even heavier toll than usual because the Republicans are now in charge and they are intent on rolling back even more environmental protections, so their corps can squeeze out every drop of cheap, dirty energy.
You guys are climbers, right? You must see, or at least understand the effects of "cheap energy". Cheap engery means you're not paying the full cost of the energy. You're just paying the upfront costs--the rest is left for later generations to pay for--and they'll be paying alright, by hook or by crook.
And that, there, is the real scam.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 12, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
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As Chiloe helpfully explained, all that cold air must have come from someplace else.
As comments go this seems dumber than dumb but perhaps it's just a prelude to blahblah explaining his theory that the cold arctic air now in Boulder did not come from someplace else but was created right there over Boulder.
As monolith more intelligently notes, the best antidote for silly "it's cold today in Wagga Wagga" posts, so popular on this thread (or equally for their mirror image when it's hot there today) should be to post a global temperature map. He gave an example, here's an ESRL version I like. That's absolute temperatures on top, anomalies below.
The link is live, so that will keep changing daily. For a bit longer perspective here's their 90-day version,
Or, as we shift from weather to more climatic time scales, NASA has good mapping page for global temperature anomalies by decade back to 1880. For example here is 1980-1989,
1990-1999,
and 2000-2009,
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Nov 12, 2014 - 04:06pm PT
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Let's see who has a "predictable" answer to those,Chiloe.:)
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 12, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
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Let's see who has a "predictable" answer to those,Chiloe.:)
I'd rather not see, sometimes ya gotta avert your eyes. Spent today hearing science from scientists, it's a whole 'nother world. I'll try to bring some of that back here when I have time.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 12, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
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But I'll leave you with something funnier that was new for me today ... Tree Lobsters!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Nov 12, 2014 - 04:26pm PT
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Very Good!
Reminds me of VW camping at the Portland pier parking lot.A guy selling fresh Lobster Rolls.......man!
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 12, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
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As comments go this seems dumber than dumb but perhaps it's just a prelude to blahblah explaining his theory that the cold arctic air now in Boulder did not come from someplace else but was created right there over Boulder.
As monolith more intelligently notes,
Got it, thanks.
I have been "explaining" to random people I interact with that record lows are proof of global warming, but I've been getting some confused looks. To fortify my argument, I'll try calling any stragglers "dumber than dumb"--perhaps that will persuade them.
(One interlocutor did have the insolence to say something like "if record lows prove global warming, what do record highs prove?" Needless to say, no response other than a look of utter contempt was necessary.)
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 12, 2014 - 06:21pm PT
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Got it, thanks.
To:
I have been "explaining" to random people I interact with that record lows are proof of global warming, ...
Odd, Chiloe said nothing about record lows being proof of global warming. So when you say, "Got it," what is it that you got?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 12, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
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Odd, Chiloe said nothing about record lows being proof of global warming. So when you say, "Got it," what is it that you got?
I wouldn't quite say the above is an accurate reflection of the ST record. Here are what I see as being the relevant posts:
me:
Just checking in to report record or near-record lows in Boulder.
As I recall from last year, that's more evidence of global warming, correct? (As Chiloe helpfully explained, all that cold air must have come from someplace else.)
Nothing like a good game of heads-I-win, tails-you-lose!
monolith:
Hey blahblah, Chiloe is correct.
Chiloe:
[quoting my comment that "As Chiloe helpfully explained, all that cold air must have come from someplace else.]"
As comments go this seems dumber than dumb but perhaps it's just a prelude to blahblah explaining his theory that the cold arctic air now in Boulder did not come from someplace else but was created right there over Boulder.
I suppose monolith's comment could be reasonably read as endorsing only the proposition that "the cold air must have come from someplace else," but it seems to me that when he wrote that "Chiloe is correct," that was also an endorsement of the contention that record lows evidence global warming. Maybe it's ambiguous, maybe I'm mistaken, no big deal.
What is a stranger was Chiloe's statement that my comment was "dumber than dumb," when my comment was just a summary of Chiloe's earlier statement, which monolith had confirmed, and which Chiloe has again endorsed!!
Apparently Chiloe can't take "yes" for an answer.
Perhaps Chiloe detected a bit of sarcasm in my post, which isn't entirely unreasonable, but I don't really have a problem with the "air comes from someplace else" explanation, which is obviously true to some extent. I was just trying to stimulate a little discussion on weather and climate, but we've got a cantankerous group here.
In particular, do record lows (not just one, but a pattern of them) have anything useful to tell in evaluating climate change? Maybe not in light of Chiloe's point about air coming form someplace else. But then what about record highs?
Whatever happened to the old "there's no such thing as a stupid question" (which isn't literally true of course, but is intended to stimulate discussion).
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