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abrams

Sport climber
Jan 15, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
Fish frozen into the ocean. The warmth is accelerating!


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/oddnews/it-got-so-cold-so-quickly-in-this-norweigan-bay-that-it-froze-a-bunch-of-fish-swimming-in-it-232504960.html


http://iceagenow.info/2014/01/norway-school-fish-frozen-place/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 15, 2014 - 11:04pm PT
You don't often hear about extremes of tidal effects affecting rapid climate change. Seems there has been consideration of this in the past-is there currently any consideration of such in the blessed models?

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/8/3814.full.pdf

There is more on this on the dreaded blog WUWT . There is also an excellent ongoing series by Willis Eschenbach. As chiloe pointed out, the articles their receive instant peer review and criticism leading some prominent posters like Bob Tisdale to pull down his paper. If only the CAGW community received such critical peer review of their papers instead of the more common place "pal review".
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 15, 2014 - 11:59pm PT
so I don't know if the photobombing has ended, or if we're just in a lull, or what.

Ron apparently reported "Jebus" to CMac, although it isn't clear that Ron really reports people to CMac or just threatens to (and takes "credit" when they get banned, even if that's unrelated to anything Ron did or didn't do).
dirtbag

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 12:28am PT
never mind.

Chief Never Mind...has a nice ring to it.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 16, 2014 - 08:35am PT
yes, yes, yes...i know the "science is settled" and all scientists have achieved complete consensus and the data that warm mongerers refuse to publish is far too complicated for mere mortals to understand...but i thought you could use just one more piece of incontrovertible evidence:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/15/un-climate-chief-communism-is-best-to-fight-global-warming/

of course, many of you don't like to read so here's an article with pictures:

http://behindthewall.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/16/22322417-dangerous-giant-smog-cloud-chokes-beijing?lite


damn those enviroment-hating capitalist democrats!!!

just because america has surpassed the clean air goals established by the kyoto protocol without even ratifying the kyoto protocol while NONE of the actual ratifiers of the kyoto protocol have met their goals doesn't prove that the free market is more effective for dealing with these issues any more than the environmental disasters perpetrated by past and current communist/socialist societies disproves that government is incapable of addressing such issues

who needs facts when we have "consensus"?
dirtbag

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 09:22am PT
Bookworm is too much of a coward to ever respond. He never does.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2014 - 10:03am PT
We've been over this many times. That you guys are still harping on it probably means you don't have the
intellectual horse power to actually get the explanation.

I'm sure we'll get a large number of response from The Chief along the same lines as what he has been
posting...



Another prediction is proven correct.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 16, 2014 - 10:13am PT
It means, more faked trend lines, from the Chief.

Like this masterpiece of his.

bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 16, 2014 - 10:31am PT
i know you libs love the chi-coms (even barry envies their political structure) so i'm sure you'll change your perspective on global warming with these fun facts:

http://world.time.com/2013/12/09/china-here-are-some-great-things-about-toxic-air/?hpt=hp_t3

dirtbag

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 10:52am PT
Nor does he think.

Isn't it cute how Chief Number One gets an early start so as many people as possible can see what a major fooking idiot he is?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 16, 2014 - 11:00am PT
You fear mongering TARDS are worse then them "Rapture freaks".

You are screaming constant other babbling bullshet that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

My god, the taliban chieftain, our one practicing ayatollah of CO2 scientology on this thread is out of his cave again angry as a hornet. Larry, why all the attention to me-im not a scientist or even a blogger. If what I have to say is all dead wrong, why bother? You need to get real Larry. Try looking up new coal power plants in Germany. There you will find reference to germany's prolific return to dirty coal after failure of alternatives and hysterical abandonment of nuclear sfter listening to there own taliban environmentalista's. I don' suppose that would be a lesson you would teach in your taliban training camp, you refer to as a university.

It's right up there with all the hysteria over a CO2 levels going from 300 ppm to 400 ppm. We're talking about one hundredth of one percent of the atmosphere.

I'm scared.

I admit I am here to prog the Warmists.

Like minded Eco-Tards fondling each other and licking one another's nuts.... nice. I don' suppose that would be a lesson you would teach in your taliban training camp, you refer to as a university.

like shooting biscuit dough.

What are the social , scientific, and business costs of Ed's assertion of unrealized costs of FF's , due to environmental and human impacts and mitigation costs, if natural variability , as it is currently demonstrating, turns out to far exceed the small human contribution. I know Ed doesn't mind gambling with the private populace's money and livlihoods since he and most everyone close to him feel insulated in their positions inside government bureacracy.What are the social , scientific, and business costs of Ed's assertion of unrealized costs of FF's , interested in fully participating in his gamble? due to environmental and human impacts and mitigation costs, if natural variability , as it is currently demonstrating, turns out to far exceed the small human contribution. I know Ed doesn't mind gambling with the private populace's money and livlihoods since he and most everyone close to him feel insulated in their positions inside government bureacracy. Are the private sector members of you here really interested in fully participating in his gamble? Off to the basin for some healthy obsessions.My god, the taliban chieftain, our one practicing ayatollah I know Ed doesn't mind gambling with the private populace's money and livlihoods since he and most everyone close to him feel insulated in their positions inside government bureacracy. Are the private sector members of you here really interested in fully participating in his gamble? Off to the basin for some obsessions.

You are screaming constant other babbling bullshet that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Totally made sense.

Deny what?

Have I ever claimed there hasn't been warming over the last 150 years?

Have I ever claimed humans weren't a factor?

Therein lies the problem, not you guys mind you since you are largely separate from the industry, just hysterically vocal mouthpieces promoting your childish ideology to the end

es, you are fuked up in the head and else where Bruce. But hey, you live in communist B.C. and you'll be looked after regardless of your utter uselessness to society.

Of course that is coming from the lead..... HYPOCRITE.

It's like he doesn't even get it.

" There's a continued political onslaught of lavishly funded opposition to the science itself"

My god, the taliban chieftain, our one practicing ayatollah

I believe that this graph and trend are more in kind to your assessing the skewed reality of this issue....

Then again, ... will do what he believes will bring him attention and sparkling kudos from his fellow tards.

Nice.... simply nice

I don' suppose that would be a lesson you would teach in your taliban training camp, you refer to as a university.

just because america has surpassed the clean air goals established by the kyoto protocol without even ratifying the kyoto protocol while NONE of the actual ratifiers of the kyoto protocol have met their goals doesn't prove that the free market is more effective for dealing with these issues any more than the environmental disasters perpetrated by past and current communist/socialist societies disproves that government is incapable of addressing such issues
It's not just declining newspaper coverage in parallel with declining temps and the self discredidation of the CAGW crowd. No, it's much more.Tear yourself away from the horror show of that green tech laden stock portfolio of yours long enough to concentrate.Now Larry and his compatriots all agree that this is 97.1% consensus science with a 95% certainty of current and future adverse climatic conditions as a result of anthro CO2 release, right? Well, assuming the truth of that why are huge sums of limited funding still being granted for study of a consensus surety? Wouldn't ethics and morality dictate that Larry and crew shift gears from study to appled science of solving such things as the intermittancy/storage problems of wind and solar even if it meant that the notariety and funding he's enjoying would diminish since it would go to the hard sciences of physics, engineering, geology, etc and not to soft sciences like sociology , of which many studies have been conducted on identifying the stupidities of the populace in not comprehending that black is white and up is down in all things AGW? If this ethical disconnect could be corrected it might just help the green tech stocks, humanity in general, and your own ethics, I mean portfolio.

You are screaming constant other babbling bullshet that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

who needs facts ...."?

The Chief beat me to it.

The Chief's version, before he edited it.
Dah. Another manipulation on your part LARRY!!! Nice.

i know you libs love the chi-coms


Precisely RON!

A "communist" with integrity.

Go China

According to whom and what is the underlying definition of "time".

I got it from our President. He wouldn't misrepresent that information, would he?

yes, yes, yes...i know the "science is settled" and all scientists have achieved complete consensus and the data that warm mongerers refuse to publish is far too complicated for mere mortals to understand...
Kid like manipulation of graphs all showing the very same thing..

How quickly you all forget.

How fking convenient.

Each and every one of you will die. Get used to that as well.

like shooting biscuit dough.


Rick S has you pegged. Down to the unclipped toe nails that are putting them big fat holes in your agenda socks.

I know Ted Stevens

You are such a Fence Straddler and even worse, a flaming internet KISS ASS!

^^^^which is being caused by pacific tectonic plate activities..

I know Ted Stevens frustrated with the fed bureaucracies endless attacks and shutdowns of Alaskan industry was of the mind if Tear yourself away from the horror show of that green tech laden stock portfolio of yours long enough to concentrate.Now Larry and his compatriots all agree that this is 97.1% consensus science with a 95% certainty of current and future adverse climatic conditions as a result of anthro CO2 release, right? Well, assuming the truth of that why are huge sums of limited funding still being granted for study of a consensus surety? Wouldn't ethics and morality dictate that Larry and crew shift gears from study to appled science of solving such things as the intermittancy/storage problems of wind and solar even if it meant that the notariety and funding he's enjoying would diminish since it would go to the hard sciences of physics, engineering, geology, etc and not to soft sciences like sociology , of which many studies have been conducted on identifying the stupidities of the populace in not comprehending that black is white and up is down in all things AGW? If this ethical disconnect could be corrected it might just help the green tech stocks, humanity in general, and your own ethics, I mean portfolio.your going to shut down We can talk more in depth about ethics, or the lack thereof, after you've completed your funding studies.are liviehood your damn well going to pay for it.peruse and chew on this summation of funding for 1998=2009 of 99 billion dollars and the presidents office funding for CC from 2012-2012.We can talk more in depth about ethics, or the lack thereof, after you've completed your funding studies. This is only the obvious funding . I'm sure there are many billions more from the hay days of earmarking. He built the UA environmental science programWe can talk more in depth about ethics, or the lack thereof, after you've completed your funding studies. with hundreds of millions of dollars in earmarks, also fisheries studies, forestry studies, direct compensation- if you cant beat them then beat them on there own game was the attitude. We can talk more in depth about ethics, or the lack thereof, after you've completed your funding studies.I know Ted Stevens frustrated with the fed bureaucracies endless attacks and shutdowns of Alaskan industry was of the mind if your going to shut down are liviehood your damn well going to pay for it.These figures do not count the many additional billions of dollars funding CC coming from environmental NGO's, private foundations, billionaires, state, and local governments etc. For you zealots out there-try to match the imagined opposition funding dollar for dollar.We can talk more in depth about ethics, or the lack thereof, after you've completed your funding studies.Tear yourself away from the horror show of that green tech laden stock portfolio of yours long enough to concentrate.Now Larry and his compatriots all agree that this is 97.1% consensus science with a 95% certainty of current and future adverse climatic conditions as a result of anthro CO2 release, right? Well, assuming the truth of that why are huge sums of limited funding still being granted for study of a consensus surety? Wouldn't ethics and morality dictate that Larry and crew shift gears from study to appled science of solving such things as the intermittancy/storage problems of wind and solar even if it meant that the notariety and funding he's enjoying would diminish since it would go to the hard sciences of physics, engineering, geology, etc and not to soft sciences like sociology , of which many studies have been conducted on identifying the stupidities of the populace in not comprehending that black is white and up is down in all things AGW? If this ethical disconnect could be corrected it might just help the green tech stocks, humanity in general, and your own ethics, I mean portfolio. I know Ted Stevens frustrated with the fed bureaucracies endless attacks and shutdowns of Alaskan industry was of the mind if your going to shut down are liviehood your damn well going to pay for it.

You are screaming constant other babbling bullshet that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

" There's a continued political onslaught of lavishly funded opposition to the science itself"

Hows the weather here? Cold as crap last night as the winds were at 60 mph and the power was out all night long until this am..

^^^^which is being caused by pacific tectonic plate activities..

Either you're going to believe the Warmists who are hired to
write reports saying the temp is increasing or not.

the data that warm mongerers refuse to publish is far too complicated for mere mortals to understand...[

dirtbag

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 11:11am PT
Newsflash Number One: this ain't the military, and we will tell you to fook off when you scream at us.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 16, 2014 - 12:16pm PT
WADE!!

There is only one photo to counter ALL your insistent propaganda....

You are as blind as they come. But as BRUCEE KY states, that comes with the "Demographics"!!!

Your side is just as if not more guilty as for all the bullshet you keep proliferating, WADE!!!

I guess you failed to notice that my insistent propaganda is all quotes of the supertopo denialist brain trust, otherwise known as the 2.9 %. or Your side."

DO YOU UNDERSTAND... SIR!!!?

oh and

Just wondering, are there any more climate change skeptics out there? Or did they all die off from gagging on all the right-wing spin on the subject?


you have, at least, answered the OP's question, there are 3, maybe 4 of you , left er right,,,er wrong....
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
In other words, we haven't experienced the anticipated warming because of...wait for it...Natural forcings!!!!
There is what Sketch just wrote, but I've helpfully clarified by removing all his extra spacing and the movie still.

Sketch, you went 0 for 4 in trying to articulate an original train of though regarding the AAE crew. Want to try again, articulating an original train of thought behind this new post, which at first glance looks infantile?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:10pm PT
I'm still chuckling over Chiloe's explanation for record cold weather being further proof of global warming,
If blahblah is chuckling over that he's laughing at himself, because I said nothing of the kind.

While blahblah laughs at himself, he is also doing something that seems habitual among all our denialists here. Instead of reading, understanding or even honestly quoting things people actually wrote, they make up things they did not write and attack them for that.

Two possible explanations come to mind:
(1) blahblah and his fellow denialists can't read, understand or remember what was actually written; and/or
(2) their own thoughts are so muddled they can only attack straw men.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
The people do not believe the shetstorm political ideology that currently hides behind the modern Scientism "PALL REVIEWED" Industry, WADE!!!


I was wondering who the People's spokesperson was. You do seem expert at shetstorm political ideology.


like shooting biscuit dough.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
Zero for 4? What are you talking about? I gave my take on the situation. Sorry if it upset your apple cart. It's telling how you don't respond to my questions. Instead, you just whine about my poor behavior or make sweeping condemnations of my posts, without specifics. I get it. You just want to play "gotcha".
OK, 0 for 1 so far on this one. You posted a great big note with few words, a still from Home Alone, lots of exclamation points and elipsis ... but no visible thoughts. I invited you to try to articulate those thoughts, if you had any. It seems not.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:27pm PT

blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
From Ed:
As for why the "hiatus" I think that there is a lot of discussion, but first why is there perceived to be a hiatus?
The expected increase in temperatures were higher previous to 2000 then the observed increases...

. . .

We've been over this many times. That you guys are still harping on it probably means you don't have the
intellectual horse power to actually get the explanation.

Only one problem Ed, you forgot to cast blame on the deep ocean, which the warmists would have us believe mysteriously started acting as a new-and-improved heat sink only when the hiatus began. That's the standard warmist party line that we've heard on this website and in the popular press.
Ed, you'd do well to remember what duplicitous parents teach their children:
it's often a good idea to tell the truth purely for logistical reasons--otherwise it's just too hard to keep track of your tangled web of lies.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
Again, what were you talking about with the "0 for 4" comment? Specifically.
0 for 2 on this one now, you're doing it again. You've responded twice to my post inviting you to articulate an original train of thought behind your own post -- which was large, noisy and yet seemingly idea-free. There must be some reason you thought that was clever, but neither of your two responses so far has even tried to articulate that.

Here's your whole post, again, without the movie still and block quotes. In a third try, can you articulate your thinking?
In other words, we haven't experienced the anticipated warming because of...wait for it...Natural forcings!!!!
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