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Phil Bard
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, OR
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 12, 2009 - 09:15pm PT
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By way of update, all who placed their orders during the month of July should be receiving their print(s) shortly. The last of those went out today. We will start on the August orders tomorrow, with the goal of shipping everything by Friday.
Cheers, and thanks to all, I'll post numbers on the total sales at a later date.
Phil
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Omot
Trad climber
The here and now
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Aug 17, 2009 - 11:00pm PT
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Darn! I just got a job, but the Oz photo is sold out. Bummer.
Phil, any chance for another printing? Iconic image for sure.
Thanks,
Tomo
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Phil Bard
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, OR
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2009 - 03:16pm PT
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Tomo,
Glad you got a job, but no I'm afraid I can't sell any more prints of Oz in 11x14. That would run counter to the concept of limited edition, and be unfair to those who already own a print. I wish I could get everyone who wants to help out exactly what they want, but have to play by the rules here. Perhaps a different image? Remember, its for a worthy cause.
Phil
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wayne w
Trad climber
the nw
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Aug 18, 2009 - 04:59pm PT
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Already have mine in a beautiful frame and matte. It is truly stunning. Thanks again for doing this Phil.
Anyone else who is on the fence, I cannot imagine you will ever regret having bought one of these.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Aug 18, 2009 - 05:45pm PT
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Thanks Phil we just received ours too. And yeah, we got the OZ shot plus two others - beauty!
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Binks
Social climber
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Aug 18, 2009 - 06:14pm PT
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Phil, I second OMOT. You should do another printing of that image on OZ. It's the only one I would buy too. It's for Tyrus, right? Not so that some people get something nobody else has. Why not do one more set?
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Phil Bard
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, OR
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2009 - 08:23pm PT
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As I said, I'd like to sell as many prints for Tyrus as possible. But each of these prints is numbered, 1/25, 2/25, etc., meaning they are sequentially produced up to a maximum of 25. It's a promise to those who buy, and in the artworld often at a certain premium price, that they have something that will gain value due to the fact that there is a known quantity of them out there. These are affordable because I want them to sell, normally I get more for my prints.
The limited edition is a contract between the artist and the buyer, a promise that the artist will not flood the market with prints. If more are made, and believe me it happens all the time by people who let the desire for profit overrule their own better judgement, then the contract isn't worth a damn, nor is one's artistic integrity IMHO. In my print sales, I limit the edition per size, but often print several different sizes, 11x14, 16x20, 24x30, etc. Each of those has its own limited edition, a fixed number of prints that will be made and that's it. I usually cap the total number of prints sold in all sizes at 100 or so. The only other way to sell the Oz shot would be to offer it in a larger size, but I don't wish to do that at this time. It's complicates things from my end, and if I did it now some people who already bought might be disappointed they didn't wait, and I don't want anyone feeling unhappy with their print. I would hope they would just remember John when they see it on the mantle, in the den or wherever it hangs.
Down the line, there will probably be more Oz prints offered, but it is not in the foreseeable future and not part of this fundraiser.
So again, sorry to any of you who are disappointed, its a tough rule to stick to in this case, but I don't break it. I'll consider choosing another image or two to offer as prints, of other climbs, if people want to have more choices.
And as I've mentioned before, I'm immensely gratified and impressed with how the community has responded to this offer, we have raised over $8000 for the trust, and orders continue to trickle in. Thank you all.
Phil
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Omot
Trad climber
The here and now
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Aug 19, 2009 - 05:04pm PT
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Hi Phil,
I understand now how this goes. Thanks for the explanation.
Is there another way to make this work? I'm sure that wasn't the only image you have of John climbing that route. In fact, I just looked up the old Gramicci ad I remember (found it in R&I 23, p 16), and I see it is a different image in the sequence! OK, only slightly different (left hand in crack, not in chalk bag), but wouldn't it be fair to do another numbered series with the different image, or another of your choosing? You may have other artistic reasons not to offer those, ok, but maybe?
I'm now able to afford a direct donation to the fund, but I did have my heart set on the Oz photo!
Thanks for checking on this thread from time to time and making your great photos available.
Tomo
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Phil Bard
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, OR
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2009 - 04:09pm PT
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As orders for prints seem to have tapered off now, I'm sending the funds from purchases on to the Trust. In all 82 prints were purchased from 61 different people, which will make for a total contribution of $8200.00. Also, notice is going along with the check that $100 (or more if you purchased multiple prints) is being contributed to the trust in each of your names. I'll keep the print program active for a bit longer in case there some who still want to buy a print.
I think its an understatement to say this is an impressive turnout on the part of the community in times of tight money. It shows that you folks have big hearts, and underscores how much JB meant to everyone. From myself and on behalf of Tyrus, Val and John jr. I'd like to thank you all. It's something everyone can be proud of.
Cheers,
Phil
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Aug 27, 2009 - 04:29pm PT
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Bless your heart for being an honest person Phil. Tomo, if you have your heart set on an Oz print, the easy way this has always work for art is you offer more than the origonal price and try to find a seller. You say "Will someone part with their Oz print for $200?"
This rewards those who got in first as well. Bump and maybe this goes over $10,000 for those who need to yet get in.
good luck!
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Aug 27, 2009 - 05:02pm PT
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I won't argue your logic, as inconsistent as it may be (i.e. you'll eventually do more OZ prints). But I will say, like Tomo, I'd have readily coughed up for the OZ shot, regardless whether it was #1 or #150 of a series whether that series was limited or open. The rest of the shots did not/do not interest me. But hey, your work, your perogative.
Thanks for helping the young man out, that's a nice chunk of change you've raised and a shining example of taking care of our own.
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Phil Bard
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, OR
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2009 - 05:46pm PT
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Let me be clear here. What I was referring to in the way of more Oz prints down the line was the possibility of offering prints at sizes other than 11x14, which is what all of these prints were. The edition 11x14 for Oz is sold out so it's permanently closed. But when I mentioned this in the above message it was in the context of explaining that my limited editions contain prints in a number of different sizes, each with a specified number of prints. So 11x14 has 25, 16x20 has 20, 24x30 has 15, and so on, with the total number of any given image, all sizes together, capped at around 100. There are also a few artist's proofs involved (also numbered so they can be tracked), usually only 2 or 3 per size, which I reserve for my own use as personal gifts. Or for MY wall (the artist should be entitled to one of his own images). This is a common practice in the art business.
A trick people often use to sell more prints is to just create a new size. This is not really limiting them very much, and there are cases, no names will be mentioned, where prints are just made year after year in new kinds of editions, and so who knows how many are out there? In the art world, it poses difficulties for anyone appraising the value of work, not knowing how many were created.
And its just flat out dishonest, I think.
The idea here was to create a simple, affordable offering of photographs to raise some money to help Tyrus in his future years. It's not really the time to be profiting personally from anything I did in the way of photographs with his dad.
Hope this helps clear the air,
Phil
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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Aug 27, 2009 - 05:50pm PT
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"The limited edition is a contract between the artist and the buyer, a promise that the artist will not flood the market with prints. If more are made, and believe me it happens all the time by people who let the desire for profit overrule their own better judgement, then the contract isn't worth a damn, nor is one's artistic integrity IMHO. In my print sales, I limit the edition per size, but often print several different sizes, 11x14, 16x20, 24x30, etc. Each of those has its own limited edition, a fixed number of prints that will be made and that's it. I usually cap the total number of prints sold in all sizes at 100 or so. The only other way to sell the Oz shot would be to offer it in a larger size, but I don't wish to do that at this time. It's complicates things from my end, and if I did it now some people who already bought might be disappointed they didn't wait, and I don't want anyone feeling unhappy with their print. I would hope they would just remember John when they see it on the mantle, in the den or wherever it hangs. "
As a photographer doing business, as well, I'll have to back what Phil says on this. I admire his integrity in this matter, both as a fellow pro photog *and* as a buyer of his work. As he says, not all artists are as scrupulous as he is, and that's unfortunate, as a limited edition *is* a contract between the artist and the buyer. I was super psyched that I got #2 of 25 in the Oz Edition and #1 in the other print I bought. Thanks again, Phil.
More than anything, I am SUPER psyhced about the amount that we we are able to generate for Tyrus. I think what Phil did was amazing. Keep in mind Phil donated %100 purchase price of his prints. That means he ate the mounting and shipping costs on all purchases. BadAss!!!
Beer/food/whatever is certainly on me when our paths cross, Phil. Thanks!
--Ran
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Phil Bard
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, OR
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2009 - 05:58pm PT
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Thanks, Ran. I'll take you up on that.
Actually everyone paid for shipping, so I didn't foot that bill. Just the cost of producing the prints and the mounts. Happy to do it...
Cheers
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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I just picked up 2 of these (not Oz) and the ones I got have the color POPPING out at you. Very, very high quality. The beautiful mounts are sadly a great reminder of a climbing icon.
Thanks for doing this Phil, good work which is nothing short of warm happy-feeling amazing and will hopefully startle the lad with extreme happiness and a reminder that folks with warm hearts care when the cash hits his hand.
Regards:
Bill
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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I got mine over the weekend and they are superb to say the least. I am stoked for two reasons...first it is helping with a good friends family and secondly I have art quality photos that mean a ton to me! Even if the shot you want is sold out, all of the others are killer to say the least and they ARE art...buy one, any one, you won't regret it.
Thanks Phil for the gesture to John and Tyrus and thanks for letting us all who bought one(or more)for the opportunity to buy at under market price, these prints are worth way more than you sold them for.
Peace
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