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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 27, 2009 - 02:23am PT
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I hesitate to post this but here goes . . .
This prodical son (me) has finally come back to God over the last few years. I do believe the Bible. When I read the Bible I read the KJV, like I did so long ago.
There is such a thing as Bible Code. If you do not know about it then I would read the best-selling book called "Bible Code," by Michael Drosnin, and you will be blown away, and your faith will be strengthened or perhaps you will find faith. If you want proof that God exists and what he says is true, that proof is available. It was meant for our time. Without the computer the code remained hidden.
It is beyond mere statistical chance that it exists and that the Bible contains hidden messages for the past, present, and future. Mathematically, it is impossible by chance. It is purposeful. The code exists in the original Hebrew and it has also been discovered in the most famous English version of the Bible, the authorized 1611 King James Bible.
The code often is not found until a significant event happens in history, since we don't know what to look for until it happens. Sometimes, however, significant codes are found before the event happens. If something shows up in the Code then it is significant and it means something. We should pay attention.
What is the purpose of the Code? In my opinion, God wants man to know his word is real and he knows what is going to happen before it happens. That is not to say he always directs it, just that he knows what we will chose to do before we do it. He is God. He knows. He also knows we want proof of his existance and his omnipotence, and his omnipresence, and his love.
Well, Micheal Jackson is very significant. He is described in the KJV bible code in the New Testament. I had seen this bible code described before when looking up other codes that have been found on other topics. Well 6/25/09 it came to pass sadly.
http://www.linkydinky.com/EnglishBibleCode.shtml
So if God took the time to mention his life in the Bible, then he is very significant. The bible says he was the Music PopKing. It also says he dies sad. I can understand why so many people care about losing him. God cared also. He cared enough to mention it.
Yes, he was human and fallible, but so are we. I do not think that his shortcomings will define his life. What I think will define his life in history is the fact that he was the Music PopKing, and we loved that about him. But shame on us, he still died sadly.
He needed help and we were not there for him. That is our shame and cross to bear. Perhaps God is telling us something. Maybe we should listen. Our heros are human, and we should care, and we should let them know it when we can.
That message is true for everyone in our lives.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 27, 2009 - 02:55am PT
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Um, it's hard to tell sincerity from sarcasm, sometimes, a clue, maybe?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 27, 2009 - 03:45am PT
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Payoffs are always a sign of wealth, extortion and expediency. Rarely do they have anything to do with guilt.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 27, 2009 - 10:36am PT
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HD,
To answer your question, YES.
But answer your own questions. Look it up. Read Michael Drosnin's book and lookup the research others have done on Bible Code, in the Hebrew Bible and in the KJV. Many, many, many historical events and people are illustrated in Bible Code. Apparently you haven't looked it up. Or you don't know about it. Look up your own "real" name.
You can even do it yourself if you are so inclined. It isn't just something only a few people can do, anyone who sincerely wants to do it can do so and contribute there findings. You have to learn about it first, know its real, know how it works, and then get the software and go at it.
By the way, do you know that statiticians at the Pentagon have verified it also? Drosnin talks about this in his book. (But to be honest with you, I can't help but think the Pentagon's motives are impure. What is it really that "they" want to do with this knowledge?)
Perhaps the best known Bible Code software out there is:
http://www.codefinder.us/
Fairly balanced??? article on Bible Code at Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code
Bible Code is real. It is mathematiclly and statistically impossible to happen by chance.
Edit:
To answer your second question. I do not know. Check it out! Sounds like a wonderful project to do and verify!
One thing I do know, others have verified that the Bible Code does not occur in other modern english versions of the bible. That I do know, and people have tried. It doesn't seem to work.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Jun 27, 2009 - 11:31am PT
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the less you know about any of your favorite musicians, the better.
just enjoy the music and look the other way when they get off stage.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 27, 2009 - 01:07pm PT
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I think in this case a tin foil glove is in order.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 27, 2009 - 01:28pm PT
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Klimmer, get help.
To quote MJ, that sh#t is "Off the Wall."
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 27, 2009 - 01:39pm PT
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Wait a minute. Where'd the little GIRL come from?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 27, 2009 - 01:44pm PT
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lol
That would be a work of God
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 27, 2009 - 01:52pm PT
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I thought it was McCulkey Hogan and the Corey kid in the Jacko as Jesus depiction. The girl doesn't fit in.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 27, 2009 - 02:11pm PT
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I give you guys tools to check it out for yourself and just like the guy above wearing the tin-foil hat and plugging his ears, well that is the response I get from you. Typical.
You really don't know because you haven't checked it out. I get the feeling you probably won't any time soon, yet you sit there and poo-poo it all.
Ignorance is bliss so they say.
Until the end that is. (My words)
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't . . . well you know how it ends. Why bother finishing it.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 27, 2009 - 02:19pm PT
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I'm going through my old Roper guidebook looking for secret messages in the letters,...
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 27, 2009 - 03:22pm PT
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Klimmer...and you teach kids high school physics?
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BCD
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Jun 27, 2009 - 03:37pm PT
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Oh man, I was all excited about that "Bible Code" stuff. Usually that kind of thing fascinates me, and I'd never heard of it before.
So I did some reading, and it turns out the guy fudged the information in order to create words. Oh well.
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quietpartner
Trad climber
Moantannah
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Jun 27, 2009 - 03:43pm PT
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MJ: "Here's how you tell what time it is, sonny. When the big hand touches the little hand....."
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 27, 2009 - 04:06pm PT
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BCD,
No he didn't. There are critics to be sure. People have a hard time accepting it. But when the stats are done and the tests are verified over and over and over again by many mathematicians and scientists, kinda mutes the critics.
HD,
You are asking me what are the chances of God mentioning MJ in the KJV of the bible code? Well, first of all you have to believe that the KJ bible is the word of God in English. Then I would have to know the mind of God to be able to say why God chose to say anything at all about MJ. Then you have to find it in the bible.
Well, the first I believe. The second no way of knowing unless God says why. The third has been done by others and I posted a copy of their work. This is a repeatable emperical experiment that anyone here can do to verify. Takes some time but it isn't hard to do. They give you the portion of the bible and the skip sequence used. Verify it. The chances are really undetermineable. But that really isn't the point. The point is he did do it, it is there to read, the bible says so.
Locker,
Remember, Newton for a long period of his life looked for the Bible Code as a result of God telling Daniel in the OT that the words are to be locked up until the end, to paraphrase. So Newton knew there was a bible code, but he just couldn't figure it out.
Kepler used his laws to try to find the star of Bethlehem. You can be a good scientist, and teacher, and still have faith. As a public HS teacher I cannot talk about many issues we talk about here on ST and I don't. In class I teach science and the scientific method. Science and faith are two different tools that answer two different questions. However, they can validate each other and often do.
Ok, I can't keep going on about this. All I wanted to do was show you that God does mention MJ in the NT of the KJV of the bible. MJ will be sorely missed and I hope he finds God's peace.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 27, 2009 - 04:13pm PT
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Kookoo
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(from the Roper code)
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Jun 27, 2009 - 04:18pm PT
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http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/bcodedbk.htm
Scholars Debunk "Bible Code"
NEW YORK Sep 10 -- An international team of statisticians is debunking the controversial "Bible code," which claims the Old Testament has hidden references to 20th century events that can be revealed by a computer.
Proponents of the code claim that names and events were hidden in the Bible as written thousands of years ago and can be found through computer searches of the Hebrew text. Television documentaries, fast-selling books and numerous articles have popularized the theory, first published in the academic journal Statistical Science.
Now the same journal, published by the Institute of Mathematical Statistics based in Hayward, Calif., is offering an article challenging the technique it reported in 1994. The article will be published in the quarterly next week.
Believers in the "Bible code" theory treat the Hebrew Bible as a string of letters without spaces, looking for words formed by equidistant letter sequences. For instance, computers might select every ninth Hebrew letter and register a "hit" when a "coded word" intersects with a Bible verse containing related words.
Five years ago, three Israeli scholars published the results of their search in the journal. As they explained, they took names of famous rabbis from a reference dictionary, applied letter sequences and found the names near the rabbis' dates of birth or death.
Using the same technique, others have claimed the Bible contains secret predictions, including everything from the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin in 1995 to a Los Angeles earthquake in 2010.
Major Bible scholars ignore the code because, they note, no one has a letter-by-letter version of the Bible as originally written. The oldest surviving manuscripts include slight variations, any of which would throw off computer test results.
In the upcoming edition of Statistical Science, the new study's authors -- Dror Bar-Natan, Maya Bar-Hillel and Gil Kalai, professors at Jerusalem's Hebrew University, and Brendan McKay of the Australian National University -- combine expertise in mathematics and computer science to debunk the theory.
Using other spellings and assumptions, they ran hundreds of tests that repeated the experiment with different variations and applied it to more biblical books.
"Despite a considerable amount of effort," they write, "we have been unable to detect the codes."
This is significant, Bar-Natan said in a Thursday interview, because "truth in science is never based on the results of a single experiment. A significant requirement is repeatability."
Their results were no more successful with the Hebrew translation of Tolstoy's "War and Peace." Such letter configurations can be found in any long text, they say. The trick is to find letters in close proximity that form significant words more often than by chance.
But Eliyahu Rips, an Israeli mathematics professor who was co-author of the 1994 article, said in a statement that evidence for the code is "stronger than ever" and said a detailed reply to the new criticism would appear soon.
His ally Michael Drosnin, author of "The Bible Code," said the critics "told a lie."
Robert Kass, head of the statistics department at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, edited the journal when it published the first article and said it was reviewed by other experts. He is disturbed that people perceived publication as "a stamp of scientific approval." That first article, he said, merely presented a puzzle -- one that has now been explained.
"The new study shows there were many, many choices, particularly for things like the names of the rabbis, that involved a lot of latitude. It was only for special sources that the results appeared," he said Thursday.
He said such studies must avoid statistical "tuning," just as medical research projects follow strict protocol.
Bar-Natan says that procedures in the 1994 project had "enough wiggle room to produce whatever you want."
Authors of the earlier article could not be reached for comment.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 27, 2009 - 04:42pm PT
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Ok, last time . . .
'But Eliyahu Rips, an Israeli mathematics professor who was co-author of the 1994 article, said in a statement that evidence for the code is "stronger than ever" and said a detailed reply to the new criticism would appear soon.
His ally Michael Drosnin, author of "The Bible Code," said the critics "told a lie." '
I have seen articles by the critics too and have read them. I stand by Rips and Drosnin.
You have to use some common sense. Just like the KJV of the bible doesn't say Michael Jackson, but does say, Music PopKing, he dies sad, false face painted, you then realize exactly who the bible is referring to. There is only one person who fulfills that description. The identity is without question.
Their original experiment and demo allowed for different yet proper spellings and identifications of the rabbis names. To stick to hard fast rules on how to identify them, such as only by first and last name and complete, is a lie. You will never find anything if you stick to hard fast rules such as that.
For instance, we wouldn't have anything on MJ in the KJ bible if you insist that his first name and last name appear. If it doesn't then forget it. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Sometimes, yes, and sometimes no.
Wow, my fake ST name appears in the Roper guide book. Cooooooooooooollllll!!!!! (Get real)
Prov.1:22 (KJV)
[22] How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
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