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BillL
Trad climber
NM
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Thank you for putting out the details and answering the questions, Wendell and Locker. They are helpful beyond just the curious. And the community should be greatful and ought now to continue giving you two, the family, other friends, and Al tons of support.
Best regards,
Bill
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WBraun
climber
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dmalloy
It's pretty clear if you spend the time to read lockers descriptions in this thread only. Read them carefully over and over if you have to.
Maybe Clint C. will lay it out clearer later as he's a master at doing that.
jstan -- yes .... in referral to your earlier post.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Good point Werner!
I, for one, will always pay attention to the, extended, woody check. It's easy to say, anyway.
Another one that I have learned, is the 'Freddy check'. There is someone out there reading this that might want to enlighten our world on the equal necessity of said Freddy check. (ie, be sure if you are are being lowered, or rapping) Though that was a a long time ago, and he only broke a few vertebrae, and only had to survive a few months in a body cast, and now, ~15 yrs after, appears to be climbing harder than I will ever, in this life time, match. Still I think it would be helpful if he spoke up.
little bro?
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Ottawa Doug
Social climber
Ottawa, Canada
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A horrible experience, clearly described.
As Jaybro said, let's all move along now......
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Here is a summary I just posted on TGT's original "Joshua Tree Accident" thread (although locker's summary above is also very good):
1. Woody Stark led a 100' climb on The Great Burrito formation (Real Hidden Valley). He placed an anchor on top.
2. Al Kwok followed the climb, trailing a second rope for the third person (Wendell Smith). The second rope was attached to the back of his harness.
3. 65' (approx.) of slack in the second rope was pulled up, to prepare for belaying Smith, and a knot was tied in the second rope at this point (65/100). This knot was clipped to the anchor by Stark. Smith was tied into the second rope at this time.
4. Before Smith started climbing, Stark requested that Kwok lower him to the ground. At this point, Kwok probably believed that the second rope anchored him closely to the belay anchor, but there was in reality 65' of slack in between.
5. Kwok began lowering Stark. [Edit:] After Kwok had lowered Stark about 35', Kwok probably shifted his weight forward, expecting to be held by the second rope. Due to the slack in the second rope, Kwok kept moving forward and fell along with Stark.
6. Kwok fell 65' (approx.) and was held by the second rope at this point (the haul loop on the back of his harness was strong enough). [Edit:] During the 65' fall, Kwok did not lose control of the lowering device. Stark fell [Edit:] 65' to the ground, receiving a fatal head injury.
7. Smith untied Stark from the lead line, to relieve pressure on Kwok.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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EDIT - post removed at what seem to be the wishes of the bereaved
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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wendell--
thanks so much for doing this. had to be difficult.
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BillL
Trad climber
NM
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#3 could use more work - I don't see it as an imperative for the rope to go from the belayer to the anchor to the climber.
There's gotta be at least a #6 - walk off when possible? That said, I've chosen to not walk off on occasion.
However, my preference is just to remember the story and be vigilant in like situations - not memorize a list to be confused with other lists for unlike situations.
Respectfully,
Bill
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martygarrison
Trad climber
The Great North these days......
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I have to come clean here. I used to go up on the first four pitches of astroman as a crag climb. One time I went up with a pretty inexperienced yet very well book read youngster named Jonn Black who I had been mentoring for a while. I always led everything and after the boulder pitch John was going to practice his jumaring skills. I tied off the rope as I had always done for years on walls, that being right where the rope was tied to me or so and gave the all clear for John boy to jumar on up. He asked me at least twice if we were tied off and I said yep. Thank god the youngster decided to pull the slack down before he weighted the jugs, he was starting to jug the end of the rope thinking I had pulled up the slack. Scared the crap out of me. and I would have never forgiven myself.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Bill,
> #3 could use more work - I don't see it as an imperative for the rope to go from the belayer to the anchor to the climber.
I think dmalloy agrees. He just stated it was "best" for the rope to be routed through the anchor. (easier to control ATC type device)
> There's gotta be at least a #6 - walk off when possible? That said, I've chosen to not walk off on occasion.
Same here - risks vary. I remember some years ago on the first day of a Joshua Tree trip, my partner and I had climbed Friendly Hands to summit on the Jimmy Cliff formation. Seeing no rappel anchor, we followed the arrowed descent direction in the guidebook photo. After lengthy sketchy downclimbing, we were descending blocks in a chimney and my partner jumped off a short drop. However, the rope (over her shoulder or on her back) caught on something unexpectedly and flipped her forwards. She landed on her wrist and broke it, although at first we weren't sure exactly what the injury was. At 2am that night, the pain level was very bad, so we packed up and started driving back to the SF Bay Area immediately. (This ensured that she would be treated by her doctor).
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Thanks Wendall.
Ok, I am angry or should I say ANGRY.... lost one of the most loved and important person in my life, angry by the complete and total Fuk up, an accident that should have not happened, and was totally preventable.
No words can console me at this time, and I doubt any will ever console me. It also does not console me to hear, "He died doing what he loved"...no FRINKIN" WAY! No one WANTS to DIE being fuking lowered off a climb!!! Hell no, that isn't "what we love doing" being lowered, come on, nope.
I'm mad, very hurt by the loss of my best friend, combined with how Woody died, he wasn't ready he had many future climbing plans.
i just can't believe it, everytime I think of Woody it doesn't seem real, damn it, it just hurts too badly. Angry-angry-angry-fuming angry....
Karen
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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EDIT - post removed at what seem to be the wishes of the bereaved
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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dmalloy....I do not have any issue with the reporting of what happened out there that day, I am all for that. In fact, I want all the truth out there, I believe like the rest of you, if it can help prevent another fuk up like this, the facts must be presented.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Karen,
> It also does not console me to hear, "He died doing what he loved"...no FRINKIN" WAY! No one WANTS to DIE being fuking lowered off a climb!!!
I agree. I don't like that "died doing what he loved" sort of response. (Except maybe in some other circumstance, such as if the person was terminal and enjoying what they knew would be their last few days on the planet). I didn't see that response in this thread, but it is in the original one.
It can be grim to read the details and picture yourself in the situation, perhaps hoping to have prevented it. Or somehow wish they had corrected the mistakes made. It will take time for the anger and/or hurt to recede.
I feel that deaths/injuries are the "dark side" of the sport - we spend a lot of time talking about how we enjoy climbing, but the risks are real and we can rip a hole in our families/friends if we do not constantly keep track of the risks. I made a mistake a few years ago and almost killed someone. Fortunately he (barely) saved himself. I've tried to heighten my awareness of risks, but sometimes I am not sure if I am doing a good enough job.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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EDIT - post removed at what seem to be the wishes of the bereaved
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MikeL
climber
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People are finally coming to some peace.
Practice some unconditional love, not attached, greedy love of wanting to hold on to what one can no longer have. Pure love is warm, caring, nurturing, and full of equanimity and clarity. Contentment and understanding are ever-present, just on the other side of the tight knot of clinging. Let go, relinquish craving, revulsion, attachment, pity, and sense of hopelessness, and overwhelm.
In time we can try to avoid being taken in by life's events.
Anger is simply an energy before it becomes aggressive. Letting go undoes vicious cycles. Emotions can be wakeful, and they can help one to see very clearly what’s wrong so it can be dealt with.
But that's not what happened here. Seeds of anger sought objects to focus on. Grasping found objects to grasp onto. Egos all around looked for ways to perpetrate themselves--as if to shore up and confirm territories and existences.
Contentment, peace, and quiet are just on the other side of each moment of craving, of holding on to what is actually only fleeting and impermanent. That’s where letting go comes in and takes place.
Be well.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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sorry karen.
wish we could stop the clock.
anger's pretty normal.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Perhaps there is yet a lesson to be learned here.
How could there be confusion as to which rope was clipped in? Were the ropes of similar color and thus easily confused?
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ghand
Sport climber
Golden,Colorado
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dmalloy, I am a big proponent of #3. It was taught to me many years ago by the late great Howie Doyle. He knew with his size, when he was seconding a pitch, he wanted the rope to go to a high (bombproof piece) and down to the belayer. It then also serves as the first piece for the next lead.
On another note (also long ago), I was following the 2nd pitch of Psychosis in Eldorado. As I approached the belay, my partner had forgotten his belay device and he was very proud to show me he had used a Munter Hitch. Imagine my surprise when I looked at it and he had only twisted the rope around his carabiner a couple of times!
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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The stages of grieving: denial, depression, bargaining, anger then acceptance. Any of which (except acceptance) can range all over the place, in no particular order, I am still in this process. Sometime yes it will pass...but until then, the idea of just letting Woody "pass" from my heart, is just innately dishonorable.
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