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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2009 - 05:26pm PT
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Go write your own then!
Because I untied Woody to get Al on the rock and keep him from strangling.
All these details are in my official written statement.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Wendell,
Are you saying that you don't mind discussing "Why it happened", but it bothers you to describe "What happened"?
One problem with this is that most of us can't understand the Why part without a good description of What.
From previous posts, it sounds like you wrote a report, and perhaps reviewed it with Tia and Woody Jr., but Al is unable to verify parts of it. Is this correct? Does this make you reluctant to release it?
[Edit: ] There's no need for you to answer the above questions. Given your description and locker's further details in this thread, I understand the details now.
I'm sorry this has been such a source of pain for you, and I appreciate your efforts to help us with The Lesson.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Thank you TGT!
can we leave it at that? move along folks, nothing else to see...
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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thank you, Wendell, for sharing what you have taken away from this unbelievably painful time. I hope that being forced to think back over, and share, the events of that day will in the end be cathartic, and a part of the healing process. I feel certain that it does not feel that way right now.
On one of the other overposted threads, someone mentioned that incident reports of this type are not normally written by those who are emotionally involved in the incident. Those of us who wish to understand the causes of this incident - and I will not even attempt to sort out whether that wish comes from a desire for titillation, or a desire to avoid similar mistakes in our own climbing - will need to wait for a more objective and complete analysis. Until that analysis is produced, we all ought to stop pushing.
EDIT - "can we leave it at that?" Frankly, and with all due respect, no, we cannot. While we can appreciate Wendell's effort, he does not attempt to lay out any details of the situation beyond what occurred with Al's anchor. But that does not mean we have a right to demand details from any particular source or on any particular schedule.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Amen Jay!
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TYeary
climber
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Thanks Wendell.
RIP Woody
Time to let it go, my friends.
Tony
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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You don't get this, do you Onyx, the official report is long gone. The most succinct description is just above, okay? can we let it go?
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Mimi
climber
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TGT, very sorry for your loss. Best of luck in the ensuing fracas.
I'm busy crosschecking the code in your text for the subliminal messages about the grassy knoll.
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Anastasia
climber
Not here
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I understand. No one chooses to make a mistake that ends with such tragedy. Neither will playing a blame game make things right. Living with tragedy is hard enough without other's getting involved.
I feel for everyone...
Sending Love,
AF
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Mimi
climber
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Thanks Locker. God bless.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Group hug
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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you have to ask?
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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> they BOTH fell because Al was LOWERING Woody and NEITHER was ATTACHED to the ANCHOR...
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> Woodys weight took Al over...
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> Get it???...
Yes. This is the last of the missing pieces of the puzzle - thank you for telling us.
Thank you, locker. - For answering the questions that are painful for Wendell to answer.
And thank you Wendell, too - for sharing what you are able to.
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darod
Big Wall climber
South Side Billburg
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thanks locker.
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Mimi
climber
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No point taking that on, Locker. That's being pretty hard and unfair to yourself.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Upper Fupa, North Dakota
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Thanks Locker.... Completely plausible and understandable.
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rich sims
Trad climber
co
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Thanks Locker
I fell of a barn roof when I was thirteen, Landed on my head and was in a coma.(explains a lot I know)
The only thing I remember for sure is getting a math book in school that day.
Over the years I have put things together that fit or I finally remembered.
Truth is I will never know for sure and the accident was not witnessed.
The point is Al will probably never know if he remembers or if he put things together as he believes they fit.
For Woody, my wife and children I will never again be annoyed at someone checking my tie in.
Peace to Woody’s children, Al and all Woody’s friends
Rich
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darod
Big Wall climber
South Side Billburg
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Locker, don't burden yourself with the thought of your bailing on Woody as having ANYTHING to do with what happened. The opposite could also be true, you could be dead now.
It was Woody's time, and that's all there is to it.
I bailed on a friend a few days before we were heading to Alpamayo, from Huaraz. Him and all the people that were on that couloir that fateful day were killed by the serac fall. I could have been there. Instead I'm here typing this message to you.
Cheers,
darod.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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EDIT - post removed at what seem to be the wishes of the bereaved
I welcome all thoughtful responses. I have tried to be as respectful and concise as I can in this post, and I would consider removing it if those who are still dealing with the searing pain of losing a beloved brother, father and friend find it to be insensitive in any way.
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