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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Chatsworth
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Jun 14, 2005 - 09:29pm PT
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I was bitten by a dog at 15. The stoner kids down the block sicked it on me. I need stiches in the butt. My dad called the Torrance Police and they impounded the dog. It got sick in the pound and died a few days later. So the stoner kids blamed me for the death.
I used to get beat up by two of the stoners working together. The bigger stoner kid got sent to reform school. I took some bad beatings. When it was one on one I almost killed the other stoner kid one day at school. I choked him into unconciousness. I was trying to kill him.
So I get suspended for a week.
But it was worth it.
That !@#$%^& avoided me all through high school.
Juan
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herm
Trad climber
Bishop
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Jun 14, 2005 - 09:36pm PT
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Do my kids have less right to run around at the crag than a dog?
Dogbites can be serious, especially to kid. Any shift of blame to the child or parent sounds hollow, regardless of the incident.
And, no, having dogs is NOT like having children.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 14, 2005 - 10:21pm PT
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The "Dogs at the Crag's" thread is the oldest trick in the book. Hundreds of posts in threads on rec.climbing, rockclimbing.com and elsewhere.
If we haven't tackled it here yet, might as well make it good. I don't think we're allowed to stop below 100 posts.
let the party begin
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 14, 2005 - 10:29pm PT
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"Do my kids have less right to run around at the crag than a dog? "
Do your kids bite?
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Mike Ierien
Trad climber
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Jun 14, 2005 - 10:55pm PT
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Funny, I was just at Lover's Leap yesterday and climbed near some good folks who had two nice dogs, unleashed, but under control. Now, I would never support any ban on dogs at the Leap or anywhere else. That said, Lover's Leap is one place that I do NOT take my dogs (I have two large, 90-pounders). Reason being is that I usually do multi-pitch and don't want to leave them at the base (unlike the pinhead who was soloing Travellers and left his dog baking in the sun at the base) as some people get nuts regarding others dogs. I just don't want to get into a fight with someone 'cause they don't like my dogs sniffing their stuff. I take 'em most everywhere else, unleashed and let 'em roam the base. I have NEVER had a problem due to my dogs. But dig it: dogs pee on things, dogs fight, and dogs check other stuff out. Hmm, so do people. Why don't we ban some people at crags?
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nephron
Mountain climber
west, coast
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Jun 14, 2005 - 11:12pm PT
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I carry bear spray, for use on unruly dogs.
its cheap insurance for me, against injury.
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herm
Trad climber
Bishop
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Jun 15, 2005 - 12:11am PT
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"do your kids bite?"
-only if ya vibe 'em.....
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shakey legs
Trad climber
san diego ca
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Jun 15, 2005 - 12:29am PT
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Who cares if dogs are at the crag how about banning slow parties of three!
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Mill Valley
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Jun 15, 2005 - 12:41am PT
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When all diplomatic measures fail, Here's a rather spectacular and effective method
of dealing with very bad dogs. (make sure sound is on before you click--yes, it's workplace approved)
(218 KB MPEG-1 video will download in a few seconds on a dial-up connection)
don't bother clicking unless you have sound turned up!
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Jun 15, 2005 - 12:44am PT
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Like I said, some folks are enmeshed with their dogs and expect them to be accorded the same rights as humans, and will argue and get all rightious and defensive and so forth about you vibing their dog and all the Tommy Rot. As always, the dog's not the problem, rather the owner who treats others like he should be treating his dog.
JL
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Jun 15, 2005 - 03:43am PT
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As the owner of an at-one-time bad crag dog (famous, really) . . . I have tried very hard to leave her at home, behind, etc . . . sometimes it can't be done. I'm poor, don't trust my roommates, etc.
So, that said, I keep my dog well away from others, secured, and if she does anything to anyone, that person is welcome to do what they must to make them more comfortable. If my dog earns a macing, she earns a macing. If dog owners don't understand their role in the environment, then I have a serious problem with that.
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the Fet
Trad climber
Loomis, CA
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Jun 15, 2005 - 12:04pm PT
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Some dogs are fine and the crags some are not.
I brought my old dog since he was a sweetheart and well behaved. Of course the prejudice people would look at him and freak out since he looked like a giant pitbull (though he wasn't) and I'd just laugh knowing he wouldn't hurt a fly (he'd run away from Chihauhuas lol). I don't bring my new dog to the crags because she's skittish and sometimes barks.
German Shepherds were the dogs causing the most fatal bites in the 70s, then pitbulls, and more recently Rottweilers. Big dogs mean big responsibilty because they can kill people. Although Yorshire Terriers and weiner dogs have killed people. Agressive behavior is the result of many factors, including heredity (even litter mates can have completely different personalities), training, if they are fixed, etc.
It's a shame how a few irresponsible dog owners (or irresponsible climbers for that matter) can ruin things for everyone else.
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DavisGunkie
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Jun 15, 2005 - 12:26pm PT
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actually i think most dog bites come from labradors. probably because there are so an of them.
we have brought our dog out with us a couple times climbing , once to Indian rock, once to phantom spires, both times someone was always on the ground.
it doesn't make sense to bring your dog, so you can just tie em up and leave alone at the base. especially at a place like lovers wher you walk off most things.
so to i think the original poster, we think about bringing her if we we are planning on doing pretty much single pitch stuff or bouldering.
we bring her out hiking all the time though, she has way better trail etiquite than soe of the people we see.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
the ville, colorado
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Jun 15, 2005 - 12:41pm PT
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Hey ouch & dirtbag, sorry if I have offended you with the pitbull dialogue.I do want to give you some statistics though.There are 128 million registered dogs in the U.S.& 60 million unregistered.There were only 17 fatal attacks in 2004.Rottweilers committed 10 of these attacks while the chow had 3, & the Presa had 3,& the pitbull had 1.Registered pitbulls out # the dogs listed above 10 to 1.That should give you an idea on the % break down.
In comparison,the U.S. has roughly 280 million people of which 30,000 people were murdered last year.48,000 people were killed in auto accidents last year.When mans best friend kills somebody, it is big news since it doesn't happen that often!!It looks like we are the problem or at least created them.rg
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Peter
climber
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Jun 15, 2005 - 12:51pm PT
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Man, there were at least a half dozen dogs at the leap last Saturday, all unleashed and yapping away with their owners out of sight and earshot. Can anyone explain to me how to tell which of those dogs are friendly and which post a threat?
If you leave your dog unleashed and unattended in a public place I can only assume that either you are very, very sure that the dog is not going to charge strangers, or you don't mind if it gets it's head smashed in with a rock.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
the ville, colorado
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Jun 15, 2005 - 01:05pm PT
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Peter, approach all dogs if they are evil,& never make eye contact.It sounds like you need to get off of the deck @ the leap before you get eaten or at best step in dog sh#t. rg
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jun 15, 2005 - 01:16pm PT
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"Hey, brother, give me two-bits! My dog needs some wine! (If you've got two-bits, give me five bucks, cheepo . . .)" - My Dog is Not a Wino Climber
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bwancy1
Trad climber
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Jun 15, 2005 - 01:47pm PT
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Oh yeah, and someone should thank me for scooping up your dog's sh#t that was perched proudly on the trail at the base of Bear's Reach....
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
the ville, colorado
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Jun 15, 2005 - 02:02pm PT
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Dirtbag, I agree the gang banging crowd has given this dog a horrible name.They have created their own breeders & sub breed(bully dogs).What they have done is take a bull mastiff(people agressive) & cross it with the APBT(dog aggressive)to create this large headed heavy weight dog with bad owners.I have 2(apbt)& once breed them until the thugs started screwing things up.APBT were breed to be have game,which is completely different than the drug dealing aggressive dog.It's nice out & I hope there won't be any dogs @ the boulders today.rg
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