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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 15, 2009 - 11:18pm PT
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MAGIC!
That sums it up, eKat!
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
http://tinyurl.com/4oa5br
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Jan 15, 2009 - 11:22pm PT
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Here is a site for aviation accident details as per the NTSB.
For the Macab minded folks, that is.
Notice the Choppers and Cessnas.
This is a no brainer for the investigators, so it should be up there pretty quick, say, 6 months?
Good to have the airframe intact, people will get their carry on. As for polluting the Hudson, yeah, right.
And they can build a better fan blade.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/month.asp
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Aya K
Trad climber
New York
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Jan 15, 2009 - 11:57pm PT
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duude, don't dis on the Hudson. The water is actually quite, quite clean. The mud on the floor, not so much.
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
http://tinyurl.com/4oa5br
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Jan 16, 2009 - 12:05am PT
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Oh yeah, I forgot, that commie Pete Seeger cleaned it up.
Frequnt Flyer Miles: 0.75
No Meal.
Free Ferry Ride.
The free Transformational Experience along with a lifelong survival family of 159?
Priceless.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 16, 2009 - 12:18am PT
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Dr. Rock: Glad your pilot friend wasn't in charge and the guy who was, was. I'll give him all the credit he deserves, at least from published accounts (below is from cnn):
Bloomberg also commended the pilot for not leaving the plane until he had checked to make sure everyone had been been evacuated.
"It would appear that the pilot did a masterful job of landing the plane in the river and then making sure that everybody got out," Bloomberg said.
"I had a long conversation with the pilot," Bloomberg said. "He walked the plane twice after everybody else was off, and tried to verify that there was nobody else on board, and assures us there were not."
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Jan 16, 2009 - 01:02am PT
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Apparently he is an expert in air safety - caught part of a report on NPR where someone was interviewed talking about how of all the pilots to be had on a day like this, thank God it was a safety expert dude!
He couldn't get down at Teeterboro (NJ small airport - like for private planes), avoided buildings, hit the water where it was shallow and right where the ferries were. I heard so far the worst injury was someone with two broken legs - amazing.
Smart and quick. And Hell yeah, he overshadowed that idiot Bush who sat there talking about the democracies we've "created" in Iraq and Afganistan...uh, yeah.
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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
pitch above you
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2009 - 08:01am PT
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So Reilly,
You really think this was a walk in the park? Just another day at the office for any competent pilot? Seriously?
Let's see, in your story the other plane was at 35,000 ft when power was lost(and shouldn't that be in meters for that particular story?). In this case it was at 3,500 ft over a major metro area, about 1 minute after take-off. What kind of glide time/distance do you think a plane like that gets out of 3,500 ft? I think this pilot had a little less time to get his sh#t straight to pull off a good outcome.
Sheesh, next time you go to work and pull off something that good let me know and I'll buy you a beer.
-Bob
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AbeFrohman
Trad climber
new york, NY
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Jan 16, 2009 - 09:56am PT
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NOTHING TO HIT? 900 feet from the George Washington Bridge is nothing to hit??!
Bully to this cat. Bully indeed!
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GLee
Trad climber
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Jan 16, 2009 - 11:04am PT
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If an airliner is ever going to crash with me on board,let the pilot also be a rated glider pilot, as were the this pilot and that of the Air Canada Gimli jet.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Jan 16, 2009 - 12:37pm PT
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I apologize if I didn't make it clear enough that I wholeheartedly agree that he did a great job. It just wasn't a miracle. This isn't a value judgement or a personal attack as I seem to be under by some who seem inclined to let their emotions overrule their ability to process facts. Pilots are a cool-headed factual bunch not given to histrionics and chest-thumping. I am sure Capt Sullenberg would be the first to agree that he was just doing his job. It was fortuitous that the LGA departure provided him with the Hudson River for his landing. If he had sucked those geese in on TO from ORD, DFW, or nearly any other major airport then it would have been a different story.
The user formerly known as stzzo
I said, "the plane flies just the same without power as with. It just won't go upwards." Without going into a treatise on aerodynamics I think this statement doesn't demand a lot of interpolation to deduce that if it doesn't go upwards it won't maintain level flight. However, since you do apparently want to split grammatical and engineering hairs I will make it simpler: the wings don't know if the engines are producing power. All they want is airflow which equals lift. In fact, you can trade airspeed for altitude and climb without power but there ain't no free lunch so you're going to slow down. This is exactly what happens on every landing; you raise the nose, increase the Angle of Attack (if you want to get geeky), and bleed off speed. Without power and as long as the ram air generator (not the APU as a previous 'expert' noted) is deployed and operating then you have control of all of the flight surfaces and landing gear. How do you think gliders are flown, juju and snake oil? What do you think the Space Shuttle is? It is the world's biggest glider. Is this clear enough? If not then send me a polite email and I will provide a succinct reading list.
Tami,
I apologize to you for not having a perfect recollection of something that happened 25 years ago without consulting Wikipedia first. I further apologize for trying to provide an honest and brief account of how flying an unpowered jetliner is feasible. To wit, kindly inform me, without the vitriol if possible, where I went wrong factually. Did they not glide over 100 miles? Did he not perform a 'forward slip' on short final? Did not everybody but one walk away? While I am guilty of thanklessly embellishing the story I really fail to see the error of my ways. Sorry for not being perfect.
Rock,
I apologize to you for trying to make things simpler. You are right, I should have said Flight Level 350 instead of 35,000', my bad. You are also right, we live in an imperfect world of which I am an unwitting example. I should not have used "all that big". Somehow I thought that in addressing a bunch of people who routinely risk their lives for no good reason they would be able to separate emotion from reality. Let me repeat, Sullenberg did a great job but that is his job! At 3500' (Flight Levels don't start until 18,000') he indeed did not have a lot of time. But being experienced, well-trained, and a glider pilot it was a decision Homer Simpson could have made. Let's see, land on the Upper East Side or in the river. Hmmmm, let me think about that.
Reilly
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal Hell
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Jan 16, 2009 - 01:06pm PT
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Yes, hats off to the crew/Flight Attendants! for keeping their wits and professionally evacuating the passengers, they are the unsung heros!
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Shingle
climber
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Jan 16, 2009 - 01:15pm PT
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After reading Reilly's response several times, I can only say:
MIRACLE!
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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Jan 16, 2009 - 01:16pm PT
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Well, besides this ditch, he appears to be a pretty damn good pilot. His resume is pretty impressive and includes - "Nellis AFB, serving as blue force mission commander in red flag exercises!!! To those who don't know, Nellis is Area 51, where we house and test some of our most secret aircraft and supposedly have an alien craft being hidden.
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jan 16, 2009 - 01:22pm PT
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That was a knee slapper Shingle!!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 16, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
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It's the same kind of miracle as some of the climbing stories we have all read, like when Yabo fell off some route and got snagged by a tree limb that bent down and set him on the ground like the hand of God....
I hope they give a NYC parade over this.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Jan 16, 2009 - 03:03pm PT
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Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to New York City. Currently the air temperature is 21 degrees Fahrenheit. We estimate that the water is a bit warmer, since it is not hard.
Today we will be turning off the fasten seat belt lights before coming to a complete stop. In fact, when you get off the plane it will still be moving about 2 miles per hour.
For those of you on the right side of the plane we will have ferries for connections to NJ. For those of you on the left side, please board the ferries for your trip to New York.
For those of you sitting in the back, sorry for the hard bump, but we wanted to slow down just a bit from 150 knots before the two engines hit the water. Notice how much shorter our landing was than your usual - all without even using the thrust reversers.
Thank you for flying US Airways. You will be reimbursed for any ferry charges. Please save your receipts.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 16, 2009 - 03:51pm PT
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"ALOT of commercial airline pilots got the hours they need by flying aircraft for the military."
My brother in law is in that boat....er, on that plane.
He started with helicopter training in the military. His goal has always been international commercial flights; he enjoys the people aspect of it. But it's been tough all along for him to get up the ladder. He has done private pilot for some wealthy people, and once had a pretty hazardous one that stressful.
Finally he got on with DHL(domestic) and has been doing that a few years. Found out a little while ago it will be ending; I guess DHL is stopping domestic service.
But at the same time, he got called back up on reserve again. He has 3 kids and is 45 years old, and still getting called back... This is not his first time.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Laguna Beach, CA
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Jan 16, 2009 - 06:45pm PT
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I sure hope that it doesn't turn out that when the left engine caught fire, the crew didn't accidently shut down the WRONG engine. It's happened before I understand.
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Jan 16, 2009 - 06:50pm PT
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C’mon now please... someone admit that there was some self preservation involved here?
He did a great job, but a hero?
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