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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 18, 2008 - 10:02pm PT
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Splits?
I don't think Bluering can use splits unless he has a soul tattoo and a Prana beanie.
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
X
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Dec 18, 2008 - 10:04pm PT
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walleye,is that really you skiing ?? Gotta be a stunt double...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 18, 2008 - 10:12pm PT
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For Ca all you need is two waxes and two klisters
A cold dry snow wax that you'll carry mostly as wishfull thinking, but it's incredible when it works.
A wet snow wax to use most of the time as a base wax
A silver klister for a kicker most of the time. About a 4-6" patch on the back side of the camber. Get it in the middle of the camber and you might be haulin clods.
A red or universal clear kilister for when the sun comes out.
I never have owned skins and can keep up or stay well ahead of everyone I've ever skied with that had either waxless bases or skins.
Down? that's another story. I suck at it.
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Tarbuster
climber
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Dec 18, 2008 - 10:39pm PT
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As most everyone has been saying,
Proper gear selection is everything.
It is chosen in accordance with the anticipated terrain.
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Tarbuster
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Dec 18, 2008 - 10:41pm PT
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For example:
Artwork by a Ouch!
oops... wrong photograph ..... but you get the idea.
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Tarbuster
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Dec 18, 2008 - 10:41pm PT
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Asnes Nansen 190cm metal edged ski & all-wheel-drive BMW:
Hat by eKat!!!
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Maysho
climber
Truckee, CA
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Dec 18, 2008 - 10:50pm PT
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Sayin hey to fellow and sista nords Walleye, Blinny, Tarstrider!
Just got in from a 2.5 hour skate sessh last hour in the howling blizzard. It is raging here at Donner Summit, supposed to get two feet tonight.
Bluering, as has been said, figure out where you are most likely to go first, and there is not one perfect all terrain setup.
One that comes close however is the Fischer Rebound, or the Salomon 88 (same skis, salomon buys em from fischer and paints them orange.) They are waxless, metal edged and shaped with sidecut, but also ultralight, you ski them short, and you run them with a light backcountry boot and salomon bc binding or nnn bc. You can stride like a racer, and also make decent turns. They do not fit in groomed tracks, but that doesn't sound like your scene anyway. For big mountains or carrying a big pack, go bigger. Though I have taken my Rebounds way out there. My son and I skied Rock Creek to Mammoth in 18 hours with that rig on all types of snow. Often I use kicker skins (as wisely suggested by Roy upthread).
IF you get really into it though, you gotta try a well waxed ski in the track sometime, for that total flyin feelin....
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Tarbuster
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Dec 18, 2008 - 11:26pm PT
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This is what I’d buy if I had to replace the Garmonts above, the Rossignol BCX11,
Light, hybrid plastic/nylon 75mm nordic norm:
(and they don't make your but look big)
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Dec 18, 2008 - 11:38pm PT
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sheesh, it took like 47 posts before Maysho actually gave some worthwhile advice out of all this.
Fischer S-Bound series are not the greatest ski ever, but they are nice and work really well for a good price. There is a whole range that span the spectrum from something that is nearly a track/groomer ski to something that with a big sidecut and shape for turning. The Outtabounds Crown is great for meadow and forest cruising, with some technique and good snow you can turn them pretty well.
http://www.fischerskis.com/en/products_nordic_ski.php?parent=40081
Other people make similar skis, there are those out there who swear that Karhu are leagues above Fischer.
Some 3-pin bindings, Voile makes 'em with heel pieces you can attach for extra turning power if you want that.
Forget leather boots if you want to turn at all or have warm feet in cold weather, get some Scarpa t-3s or whatever the Garmont equivalent is (Excursion?). (Yes, I know you old dads can turn like crazy in those leathers and that plastic boots are like wearing condoms....my grandad started his car with a hand crank every morning, should I do that too? :)
Kicker skins get you up steeper slopes, but that only matters once you are good enough to ski down. The waxless pattern and some switchbacks put me on top of stuff that scares me plenty.
If you are in Mammoth you can demo all this stuff at Mammoth Mountaineering...or find a place in Tahoe that has similar stuff to rent.
Much fun to be had rambling around the hills with a lightweight touring setup like this
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2008 - 12:25am PT
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I'm definiteley getting the cc skis. way more useful than snowshoes, more versatile...
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Dec 19, 2008 - 12:36am PT
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Was that from the Vail Ski museum, Roy?
There are an amazing amount of specialized ski setups these days, I own several. Though mostly, for me, it comes down to skating, or some sort of Tele rig.
While that is cool, and allow formany, 'unparalleled' activities, there is something to be said for the Seventies, three pin/lignistone combos that we sort of forced to do everything; I don't miss emergency tip replacements, though.
Especially if you are a flatland based, recreational skier in somewhere like california. If, you live in the Mtns you have an idea, when you get up in the morning, what kind of rig will work best for the day. When you load on to I-80 do you take everything that might work?
All of my ski setups are pretty specialized. I don't know what to reccomend Bluering spend his $150 on, though there probably is a good answer out there...
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Tarbuster
climber
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Dec 19, 2008 - 12:51am PT
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Jay:
That picture is one I took while inside the American Mountaineering Museum, Golden Colorado.
http://www.bwamm.org/
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Tarbuster
climber
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Dec 19, 2008 - 12:55am PT
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"I don't know what to reccomend Bluering spend his $150 on"
$150?
May as well get a hooker.
Can't touch a ski package worth kicking around on for that...
10 years ago, here in Boulder, you could still pickup 210cm Fisher Europa 99's for 40 bucks
(mounted, used, & scratched).
And for general mountain touring, NOT touring to turn, that gig still works great.
(And yes next DR will soon be posting up all sorts of references to skiing Dana Couloir & etc on such gear, but... considering how things have progressed for tele gear...)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2008 - 01:04am PT
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"I don't know what to reccomend Bluering spend his $150 on"
well, it'll prolly all go to those new cc skis....here I come.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 19, 2008 - 01:13am PT
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Excellent!
Get some gear, get some exercise & and have fun.
No doubt we've significantly confused you and likewise entertained ourselves during this meaningful process of tossing out cheerful advice.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Dec 19, 2008 - 01:15am PT
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No doubt!
But we meant it in a good way!
Never made it to that Golden Museum...
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Doug Robinson
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Dec 19, 2008 - 02:29am PT
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Being "meaningfully entertained" and all, I was going to let this whole discussion slide.
But
Mayfield made me do it. He pointed me onto those Rebound Crowns. I demoed them on groomers with NNN-BC hightops. Cruiser on intermediate runs, and I could get down black diamonds off the cornice, but it wasn't pretty.
Bought em anyway and mounted simple pins. At the same time my favorite leather boots gave out and I was tired of wet feet, so I caved into a pair of Garmont Excursions.
This feels like modern cross country mountain skiing. A ski like a short, classic alpine ski, but lighter, better turning and with fish-scales. They climb anything I can switchback, cuz aerobic is the limit of climbing anyway, not steepness. They ski the black diamond runs about 85% as well as my full-deal K2s, and they'll get down the double diamonds. Bought another pair so I could get my friends to try em too, and now I like the slightly fatter Atomic Chugach better. The waxless base slows em down, sometimes annoying when you want liftoff. I carry skins occasionally, but I haven't mounted them in years. Those boots with the flo-form liners are embarrassingly comfortable. Kick-and-glide 20 miles, no problem. A versatile rig, you can enjoy everything from skating lakes to cutting across ridgelines.
I still like to wax when it's blue hard wax, or better Jack Rabbit Dry. But for the Sierra, where you often get a wide range across soft wax and klister conditions in a single day, I get more skiing done with waxless.
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the terrain is steeper (much less herringbone style climbing work)
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