1977 Airplane Crash in Yosemite

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zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Nov 9, 2014 - 09:07pm PT
Sometimes it's just about the journey.

What a long strange trip it's been. Point well taken.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Nov 9, 2014 - 09:18pm PT
A libelous/slanderous lawsuit would result in a subpoena for SuperTopo to divulge the....naw....I don't think I'll go there yet.

How about the latest California cyber bully laws. Naw...I'll not use them either.

sidmo...you are one very strange and deranged personality. All this because I originally turned down your offer to proofread and edit my book. You never offered up any bonfires as to your background. You never offered up any samples of your work. And yet you wanted me to open my back door and let you in.

I think in the long run sidmo's ID will be discovered. And yet I'll not let on to who he is so he'll be able to sleep at night along with Chainsaw.

C'mon Ric, I can't speak for skidmore, but most of us here would like for you to just finish and publish the book. Don't waste time posting this sheeit. If what you publish is incorrect, it will get corrected no doubt.

If it hasn't already, the thread is going to trump the book and we all know that DMT has already copyrighted (or at least contemplated copyrighting) the thread, don't we?

People do die though (especially pilots (Shades of Shogun)) and I would hate to go to my deathbed without knowing why in the heck they weren't using a sea(read pontoon)plane or better yet a bus.


That's not a greyhound, it's the real thing and I said pontoon, not poontang.

WBraun

climber
Nov 9, 2014 - 09:34pm PT
Skidmo is 100% an anonymous cyber stalker towards one individual.

You're getting banned aszhole.

There's no way around it skidmo.

Your number is up aszhole .......
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Nov 9, 2014 - 09:42pm PT
Incomming! - It seems slizmo that you better duck and run.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Nov 10, 2014 - 08:28am PT
In High Country, some of the Curry employees were small town dope peddlers who got in over their heads with the drug cartel whose plane it was. The book opens with the disappearance of four Curry employees, presumed dead.

I wondered if the rangers interviewed for the book hadn't mentioned petty drug dealing already going on in the park? Anyway, it's an interesting thriller with a lot of surprise twists and turns.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Nov 10, 2014 - 08:34am PT
YOU PHUCKIN PHONY - YOU CAN'T WRITE YOUR WAY OUT OF A WET PAPER BAG WITH A HOLE IN IT - YOU'RE STUCK, ADMIT IT

So burchey and khanom get deleted yet this guy gets to stick around and hurl insults endlessly!??

Fvck this site.
John M

climber
Nov 10, 2014 - 09:42am PT
The rest is twistory.

LOL.. exactly.

I think Sidmo is a frigging whack job pain in the ass and would like to know who he is.

That said.. Licky, I hope you finish the book because I would love to hear the tale. I understand that you have a need to know the whole story and figure it out precisely, but I don't believe that that is always possible. If you know any cops, then you have probably heard stories about how disparate peoples memories are. I discovered recently that my own memories of events I participated in were almost completely off. It was a funny process to discover that. So I know that it happens.

So perhaps a solution is to do your best to tell the tale and then just tell it, Maybe you could put in that there is conflicting information, and relate the conflicting information. Then the readers can make up their minds what they want to believe. At least that is a solution that would get the book done, because some of us really would like to read the tale.

In ten years I will still probably want to read it, but I might not have the funds to buy a book. And I might just be dead. :-) So my hope is that you finish it soon. Good luck.. I'm rooting for you.



A side note. I thought the Nevada Barr book was weak. Too many improbabilities. She phoned that one in. Some of her books are pretty good. I like the cave one and the one based on the big fire in Yellowstone. But some times she whiffs it. This one in my opinion was a whiff. but I like where Jan is going.. Trying to understand if she had some inside info that she used for her book, no matter how bad one thinks the book was.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Nov 10, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
This was the first Nevada Barr book I read and I liked it just because it was an improbable escape and fun to see what someone would do with a story I already had an inside track on.I read so much heavy duty academic stuff that when I read for fun, I want it to be far away from that and High Country fit the bill. Great literature it was not.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 10, 2014 - 12:54pm PT
POS OP. Trolling, trolling.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Nov 10, 2014 - 02:42pm PT
"Angels Of Light" is still, despite all it's flaws, the archetypal and really fun-to-read crash book. The writer did a pretty good job nailing the atmosphere of an extended valley hang.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Nov 10, 2014 - 06:28pm PT
Angels of Light by Jeff Long (Signed First Edition)
eBay - $60.00 down from $75.00


Hey there say, Ric, in recognition of my long on unwavering support of your research and writing efforts, am I gonna get a signed first edition?

Have you considered revising it a bit and submitting to UCLA as a dissertation. Mr. Castaneda pulled it off and BTW I do have his signature.

Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 10, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
signed copy, how mundane. I want to pay Chessler 1000 bucks for a copy with the author's bugger smeared on the inside cover.

You really should cut sidmo in on this, he has so much time invested in this project. He could write the foreword.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 10, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
If I am ---really---really, very & really bored, I click on this thread every year or two.

It does look like sidmo has "a dog in the fight."

Below in quotes: is his second post on the thread, & since 2008 all his 278 posts on ST have only been on this thread.


Sep 17, 2008 - 03:44pm PT
not sure how filter works - ok, here's more vague recollections - the plane was for many of us, our first brush with unlimited wealth (or so it seemed at the time) - someone remarked about yabo eating in the MR instead of scrounging trays in the caf - well there was way more than that, without insulting guys who got by on so little (and guys, like yabo, who were so talented we couldn't even carry their chalk bag deserve to be remembered for what they did on the rock and not how they fueled their ascents) - it was a seismic shift in attitudes that occured subsequent to the plane - and more than new tents in camp 4 - a lot of climbers who were around at the time weren't just in sunnyside - many of us flew under the radar in cabins and dorms even without jobs (and sometimes even without girlfriends) - we were exposed to a good bit of risk as we operated under the nose of LEOs and the few federales downtown - to be seen was to be noticed, and many of us lived undercover but lived well - my personal vice was taking chances by eating at the ahwahnee every day - but everyone knew why we could do that all of a sudden - and the shift in tastes was more than gastronomic - gold lumbo was replaced by white line fever, and french wine with handmade labels - spent a few hundred bucks in chinatown once on korean ginseng - there was a comprehensive shift in consumption habits, and some of us weren't the better for it - but i learned lessons that i needed to learn, as i alluded to in my first post - when real wealth came later in life, wealth that was self-perpetuating and not just like living in a town where everyone hit the lottery at the same time, i was better able to resist temptation, or at least moderate it - imagine if some of us had been given credit cards before we learned (from the plane) how to handle wealth?
i shudder to think - but onto the negativity - we honestly believed that: A/ some of us took too much (were greedy), and B/bad luck followed those good-guys-gone-bad
now i'm not into the naming names thing - if my cryptic references to the vw van at the garage in the village with its head stoved in between the headlights don't ring a bell about a subsequent death and the miraculous recovery of a leg i'd rather not elaborate in this forum - but another loss was far from home, in the east bay and grisly like a bad movie - all of a sudden our idyllic life in the valley was shattered by obsene wealth, followed closely by equally obsene greed - that's apart of the story that needs to be told as well - for every frugal hippie that bought land and settled down there was another who developed a nasty habit that lingered on far longer than the sudden wealth - to me, that was the sad thing about it - we were happy and broke, and then wealthy and frustrated by concerns that never existed before - anyone who danced at cedar grove on a weekend night must remember all the trips outside and back in - hell, we might as well have been at studio 54 instead of down the road in midpines, except we still dressed like climbers - some habits are hard to break and we learned how hard after the plane - i hope i'm both making sense and not making sense, if you were there you should understand at least some of this even if viewed through the narrow perspective of sunnyside - there was a lot of money spent on things other than gear, although we blew a ton on gear/gadgets too - if you look at what just happened with the mortgage crisis you can see what damage sudden wealth/credit can do to people with weak wills - don't get me wrong, i had my fun and don't regret it, but as my friends gradually developed problems they never had before the plane i gained a healthy respect for honest poverty





zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Nov 10, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
^That doesn't appear to have a signature, electronic or otherwise. Could it have been sidmo's (evil?) twin?


By way of comparison, Ric has never hidden his identity nor attacked anyone.


Topic Author's Original Post - May 21, 2005 - 10:35pm PT

In 1977 a plane loaded with dope crashed into Lower Merced Pass Lake. I knew the pilot and his wife since high school. His wife and I are working on co-authoring a book about the incident. I am looking for anyone that can recall any stories about what went on in the area during the first few weeks following the crash. We are not looking to expose anyone, we are looking for stories to add to what we already knew happened up to that night.I have talked to a few ex park employees that were there at the time and have gotten their take on things. Anyone else?

Rick Schloss
San Jose, CA
408-295-1501

BTW, more than 45% of the posts on this thread have been cooked up by me, mouse de Merced, & Donini and posted under a number of easily assumable ST identities with the full knowledge of CMAC in a successful effort to drive up website traffic and revenues.
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Nov 10, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
YOU ARE SO RIGHT!

now, who am I saying that to? any of you that want to believe it, including licky - and this IS licky's thread whether he likes it or not - Dr. Frankenstein got a little tired of his creation as well - not surprising licky wants to lash out at me, it's the old "kill the messenger" response - message is: Licky sucks as a writer - now is that actionable? I kind of doubt it, or whether attacking me will help get the book out - as if licky needed any more distractions - I think someday. when licky finally ends his quixotic quest and abandons the book project he will somehow blame me, and that's ok, but ludicrous - i'm no threat, and no distraction to a focused writer - licky has asked the questions, are there any more forthcoming? if not, why doesn't he just stay off the thread? I promise to stop posting if licky will, beginning now - as for folks who discredit me because I haven't posted on other ST threads, I've checked some out and found them lacking and i simply wasn't interested enough to post - if that discredits me then i'm in good company - for the record, I busted up my knee in '78, '83 and '85, as a result I haven't climbed since '79 or skied since '81, there are other things in life, mountain biking, frisbee golf, education, etc. - I admire you guys from my generation who still beat the rock, but just be happy that you still can, not disdainful of those of us who cannot - and don't despair if you have to hang up the chalk bag someday, there's life after near-death, and television, too - goodbye fellas, it's been a real hoot
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Nov 10, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
Jesus wept.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 10, 2014 - 09:59pm PT
But he didn't when he built my hotrod so I don't care.
Albion

Trad climber
Bristol, UK
Nov 25, 2014 - 11:04am PT
Some interesting comments under this photo -

https://flic.kr/p/a6imPP
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Nov 25, 2014 - 05:44pm PT
looks like this fella beat you to it licky, he wrote the whole story in 517 words - now you can unlax and puff a doobie, your work here is done
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Nov 25, 2014 - 06:06pm PT
Uh, sidmo, what's your next project gonna be?

Attica, Attica, Attica

Brotherhood of Eternal Love, Brotherhood of Eternal Love, Brotherhood of Eternal Love

Ferguson, Ferguson, Ferguson

Simi Valley, Simi Valley, Simi Valley

Coronado Co., Coronado Co., Coronado Co.

Free Tim Leary, Free Tim leary, Free Tim Leary

Hashish-tag, Hashish-tag, Hashhish-tag

Hippie Mafia, Hippie Mafia, Hippie Mafia

Orange Sunshine, Orange Sunshine, Orange Sunshine







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